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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 10 2012 10:02 GMT
#21
Seems like rose-coloured nostalgia your experiencing which is cool.

But those moments happened in the sc2 scene as well with the top players like Nestea a year ago or MarineKing now. There are many others too, but you have to open yourself to see them.

These kind of things are all subjective.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
June 10 2012 10:11 GMT
#22
Nice. I haven't been as excited to meet players as I have for kespa pros today. Shaking!

And MKP vs Stephano g3... was pretty amazing too man.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 10:43:05
June 10 2012 10:32 GMT
#23
On June 10 2012 19:02 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Seems like rose-coloured nostalgia your experiencing which is cool.

But those moments happened in the sc2 scene as well with the top players like Nestea a year ago or MarineKing now. There are many others too, but you have to open yourself to see them.

These kind of things are all subjective.


Nostalgia my ass if you read what op wrote and you read some tl fe you would have understood the meaning of "overcoming all odds by sheer of will " and the tl fe of Mind over mechanics come to my mind.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82317

I find it convenient for individuals to use the nostalgia card for every thing they don't understand and fear of understanding it because they can't accept the real truth.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
June 10 2012 10:47 GMT
#24
Im not up to date with SC2, is there anywhere to watch these games? Or is it PPW?
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 10 2012 10:58 GMT
#25
Man i missed it, ah well vods will be up eventually, and glad to see that the kespa pros are doing as well as could be expected at this point.

Also Motbob get in in irc.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 11:03:40
June 10 2012 11:02 GMT
#26
On June 10 2012 16:41 ClysmiC wrote:
Ok, I'm convinced that Flash is a complete step above the rest of these guys. It looks like he could probably jump right into this MLG and at least have a shot of getting top 8 or something.


The games he played were entertaining and he has come a very long way but there is not way in hell he will be able to compete with top players at this point. Still too passive and a bit unaware of the different kinds of thing the other races can throw at you. Once he gets situated he will probably top the tournaments but for now he wouldnt even make to ro32 in an MLG.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
June 10 2012 11:57 GMT
#27
I keep here expecting for a blog on Amnesia. I was relieved lol.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 12:25:03
June 10 2012 12:04 GMT
#28
I never know how to respond to these posts.
On the one hand, its awesome that you enjoyed the games so so much. I can't take that away from you, and if you lost a bit of passion coming into SC2, but got in back when the Kespa guys play, the great, thats really a good thing.

On the other hand though, you kinda have to admit that what you said is pretty fluffy. Apart from the inherent impossibility of doing what you said (playing more than the race's ability) in a video with hard numerical caps on units, the idea behind it is still definitely there in SC2, but really, not shown in those Kespa games.

If it wasn't Flash doing the SCV pull, it wouldn't have been winning by force of will, it would have been a well executed all in in which the Protoss slightly botched the defence.

As pointed out in the reddit xpost of this blog and above me in this thread, arguably a better (but by no means the only) example of it came between Stephano vs MKP earlier. Stephano getting an engagement that he should not have been able to win in almost any other circumstance in G2, or MKP loosing 40 SCVs but refusing to die, and going on to win G3.

But even then, I can't be too critical. You got super hyped up by the games (as did loads and loads of other people) and enjoyed SC2 in a different way than you had before, and in the ends thats more important, even if I completely disagree with you.
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 10 2012 12:27 GMT
#29
I'm a huge Flash fan. I dislike SC2. Doesn't sound like nostalgia (anyone who has watch sAviOr or Flash at their prime, or Jaedong in his best games know what you mean). But I do think that you're just being a fanboy here. I'm kinda ok with that most of the time I guess. Not here.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 10 2012 12:30 GMT
#30
It really isn't that hard to understand that you're enjoying the games more because you're watching players you've been rooting for for years.
I think esports is pretty nice.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
June 10 2012 12:32 GMT
#31
To everyone who's saying it's nostalgia or whatever, well, DUH. That seems pretty evident from my post.
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
June 10 2012 12:38 GMT
#32
On June 10 2012 21:32 motbob wrote:
To everyone who's saying it's nostalgia or whatever, well, DUH. That seems pretty evident from my post.

When was the last time you've felt so happy then ? Last SPL finals ?
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 10 2012 12:40 GMT
#33
On June 10 2012 21:32 motbob wrote:
To everyone who's saying it's nostalgia or whatever, well, DUH. That seems pretty evident from my post.

Then lol at the guy who said it wasn't Nostalgia!
We need more Kespa people at events, whatever your thoughts on them, they bring the hype.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
June 10 2012 12:46 GMT
#34
Hmmm if it takes 4 years (2008-2012) to be nostalgic about some thing than I am pretty nostalgic about the cs source scene it's been around for a short time and yet I still miss it . Fun times I guess.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
June 10 2012 13:10 GMT
#35
I always enjoy SC2 more when my favourite players/teams are playing. Any match with HayprO in and I'll enjoy it even if he loses (although obviously more if he wins :D)
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 13:59:26
June 10 2012 13:47 GMT
#36
Edited because I need to reorganize my thoughts on the op into something more coherent.

This morning's games were still awesome though ^-^
FluffyBinLaden
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States527 Posts
June 10 2012 14:03 GMT
#37
It was a great day. Thanks for the updates on the turnouts of the matches, though.

We've entered a Brave New World, and it's kind of scary to see Flash so good.
Riddles in the Dark. Answers in the Light.
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
June 10 2012 14:39 GMT
#38
On June 10 2012 21:04 MCDayC wrote:
I never know how to respond to these posts.
On the one hand, its awesome that you enjoyed the games so so much. I can't take that away from you, and if you lost a bit of passion coming into SC2, but got in back when the Kespa guys play, the great, thats really a good thing.

On the other hand though, you kinda have to admit that what you said is pretty fluffy. Apart from the inherent impossibility of doing what you said (playing more than the race's ability) in a video with hard numerical caps on units, the idea behind it is still definitely there in SC2, but really, not shown in those Kespa games.

If it wasn't Flash doing the SCV pull, it wouldn't have been winning by force of will, it would have been a well executed all in in which the Protoss slightly botched the defence.

As pointed out in the reddit xpost of this blog and above me in this thread, arguably a better (but by no means the only) example of it came between Stephano vs MKP earlier. Stephano getting an engagement that he should not have been able to win in almost any other circumstance in G2, or MKP loosing 40 SCVs but refusing to die, and going on to win G3.

But even then, I can't be too critical. You got super hyped up by the games (as did loads and loads of other people) and enjoyed SC2 in a different way than you had before, and in the ends thats more important, even if I completely disagree with you.

I feel like in SC2, battles are decided before the engagement actually happens almost all the time. You attack at the wrong timing and you just get steamrolled. There is no tension over who is going to win. Maybe it's just internal bias, but I did feel that the KesPa pros did put on an exciting game, with quite a bit of action going on.

I saw FlaSh today, doing all the things that I expected he would do in BW. Maybe it's because I don't watch too much SC2 (Last real sc2 match I watched was last GSL finals), but it just seemed like his expansion timings were way earlier than everyone else's. Just a ridiculously patient way to play the game. He doesn't try and end the game as earlier if he knows that he has a better chance to win later on. I would say that I'm excited/anxious to see him play in SC2, cos he's one of those players that will prefer to drag it out to late game, and does not care about imbalance at all.

I don't know. I was still dissatisfied with the level of strategy involved in the game a few months ago. Not playing SC2 anymore has made it so that I care less about racial balance, but I still hate the fact that people complain that late game with X/Y/Z race is impossible, and that you still need X unit to counter Y. I'm hoping the new players will not only emulate current pros, but innovate as well. And tbh, I don't see why people want them to fail so badly. The elephant in the room may have angered a lot of people, but do they want the current meta game to stay the way it is?
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 10 2012 14:47 GMT
#39
If this is the beginning of BW fans appreciating SC2, then what more could we wish for? Maybe it just takes the absolutely best players to show what is actually possible in the game? Either way, if this becomes true, the overall atmosphere on TL could improve greatly.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 15:40:50
June 10 2012 15:13 GMT
#40
On June 10 2012 23:39 Nazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 21:04 MCDayC wrote:
I never know how to respond to these posts.
On the one hand, its awesome that you enjoyed the games so so much. I can't take that away from you, and if you lost a bit of passion coming into SC2, but got in back when the Kespa guys play, the great, thats really a good thing.

On the other hand though, you kinda have to admit that what you said is pretty fluffy. Apart from the inherent impossibility of doing what you said (playing more than the race's ability) in a video with hard numerical caps on units, the idea behind it is still definitely there in SC2, but really, not shown in those Kespa games.

If it wasn't Flash doing the SCV pull, it wouldn't have been winning by force of will, it would have been a well executed all in in which the Protoss slightly botched the defence.

As pointed out in the reddit xpost of this blog and above me in this thread, arguably a better (but by no means the only) example of it came between Stephano vs MKP earlier. Stephano getting an engagement that he should not have been able to win in almost any other circumstance in G2, or MKP loosing 40 SCVs but refusing to die, and going on to win G3.

But even then, I can't be too critical. You got super hyped up by the games (as did loads and loads of other people) and enjoyed SC2 in a different way than you had before, and in the ends thats more important, even if I completely disagree with you.

I feel like in SC2, battles are decided before the engagement actually happens almost all the time. You attack at the wrong timing and you just get steamrolled. There is no tension over who is going to win. Maybe it's just internal bias, but I did feel that the KesPa pros did put on an exciting game, with quite a bit of action going on.

I dunno, I find quite a lot of tension in SC2 games, you just have to find the right ones, so much of SC2 is played out online or in mad weekend dashes, so truly top level jaw dropping is confined to brief moments in foreign tournaments (though there were certainly some yesterday) but are getting increasingly regular in GSL, particularly the GSTL. But yes, the Kespa were pretty exciting.

I saw FlaSh today, doing all the things that I expected he would do in BW. Maybe it's because I don't watch too much SC2 (Last real sc2 match I watched was last GSL finals), but it just seemed like his expansion timings were way earlier than everyone else's. Just a ridiculously patient way to play the game. He doesn't try and end the game as earlier if he knows that he has a better chance to win later on. I would say that I'm excited/anxious to see him play in SC2, cos he's one of those players that will prefer to drag it out to late game, and does not care about imbalance at all.
He played well (he won the thing!) but I don't think its some strategic level above other stuff we are seeing, certainly we seen other pros take expansions earlier and be much more greedy than Flash was. And unfortunately he has done a bit of balance whining, even if it was light and blown hugely out of proportion by the community. He's not a God yet in SC2.

I don't know. I was still dissatisfied with the level of strategy involved in the game a few months ago. Not playing SC2 anymore has made it so that I care less about racial balance, but I still hate the fact that people complain that late game with X/Y/Z race is impossible, and that you still need X unit to counter Y. I'm hoping the new players will not only emulate current pros, but innovate as well. And tbh, I don't see why people want them to fail so badly. The elephant in the room may have angered a lot of people, but do they want the current meta game to stay the way it is?

That being said, I am very excited for Flash. I hate the absurd hype his current playing that he gets, but I always get pissed off at crazy hype, I didn't like it for Stephano, ForGG, Lucifron or Aria, and I don't like it now, but I think only idiots don't think that Flash is gonna be really good at SC2. His play isn't there yet, and people need to calm the fuck down about it imo, but he's gonna get there.
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