I can't remember - Page 2

On June 10 2012 16:41 ClysmiC wrote:
Ok, I'm convinced that Flash is a complete step above the rest of these guys. It looks like he could probably jump right into this MLG and at least have a shot of getting top 8 or something.

On June 10 2012 21:32 motbob wrote:
To everyone who's saying it's nostalgia or whatever, well, DUH. That seems pretty evident from my post.

On June 10 2012 21:32 motbob wrote:
To everyone who's saying it's nostalgia or whatever, well, DUH. That seems pretty evident from my post.

On June 10 2012 21:04 MCDayC wrote:
I never know how to respond to these posts.
On the one hand, its awesome that you enjoyed the games so so much. I can't take that away from you, and if you lost a bit of passion coming into SC2, but got in back when the Kespa guys play, the great, thats really a good thing.

On the other hand though, you kinda have to admit that what you said is pretty fluffy. Apart from the inherent impossibility of doing what you said (playing more than the race's ability) in a video with hard numerical caps on units, the idea behind it is still definitely there in SC2, but really, not shown in those Kespa games.

If it wasn't Flash doing the SCV pull, it wouldn't have been winning by force of will, it would have been a well executed all in in which the Protoss slightly botched the defence.

As pointed out in the reddit xpost of this blog and above me in this thread, arguably a better (but by no means the only) example of it came between Stephano vs MKP earlier. Stephano getting an engagement that he should not have been able to win in almost any other circumstance in G2, or MKP loosing 40 SCVs but refusing to die, and going on to win G3.

But even then, I can't be too critical. You got super hyped up by the games (as did loads and loads of other people) and enjoyed SC2 in a different way than you had before, and in the ends thats more important, even if I completely disagree with you.

On June 10 2012 23:39 Nazza wrote:

I feel like in SC2, battles are decided before the engagement actually happens almost all the time. You attack at the wrong timing and you just get steamrolled. There is no tension over who is going to win. Maybe it's just internal bias, but I did feel that the KesPa pros did put on an exciting game, with quite a bit of action going on.

I dunno, I find quite a lot of tension in SC2 games, you just have to find the right ones, so much of SC2 is played out online or in mad weekend dashes, so truly top level jaw dropping is confined to brief moments in foreign tournaments (though there were certainly some yesterday) but are getting increasingly regular in GSL, particularly the GSTL. But yes, the Kespa were pretty exciting.

I saw FlaSh today, doing all the things that I expected he would do in BW. Maybe it's because I don't watch too much SC2 (Last real sc2 match I watched was last GSL finals), but it just seemed like his expansion timings were way earlier than everyone else's. Just a ridiculously patient way to play the game. He doesn't try and end the game as earlier if he knows that he has a better chance to win later on. I would say that I'm excited/anxious to see him play in SC2, cos he's one of those players that will prefer to drag it out to late game, and does not care about imbalance at all.
He played well (he won the thing!) but I don't think its some strategic level above other stuff we are seeing, certainly we seen other pros take expansions earlier and be much more greedy than Flash was. And unfortunately he has done a bit of balance whining, even if it was light and blown hugely out of proportion by the community. He's not a God yet in SC2.

I don't know. I was still dissatisfied with the level of strategy involved in the game a few months ago. Not playing SC2 anymore has made it so that I care less about racial balance, but I still hate the fact that people complain that late game with X/Y/Z race is impossible, and that you still need X unit to counter Y. I'm hoping the new players will not only emulate current pros, but innovate as well. And tbh, I don't see why people want them to fail so badly. The elephant in the room may have angered a lot of people, but do they want the current meta game to stay the way it is?