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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 08 2012 03:45 GMT
#21
As far as I understand an all in, is where you cut workers, put everything into army production, and attack and never intend to expand, and your attack is designed to kill or mortally wound.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
June 08 2012 03:45 GMT
#22
Ee Han Timing and all-in are two totally different things. You are fine. Keep it up
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
June 08 2012 03:48 GMT
#23
On ladder, to become better as fast as possible you should try to win as much as possible. This will raise your mmr and playing higher level players = you learn more. If the strategy you are doing is all-in or stupid or makes you prefer same-sex relationships doesn't matter, you will improve playing against better players and not by doing macro builds against noobs. Sooner or later you will notice your strategies not working, and as soon as you figure out why they are not working you can adapt. Changing your strategy while you are still winning is retarded as fuck.
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
June 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#24
On June 08 2012 11:51 MateShade wrote:
So many bad posts.. It works, keep doing it till it doesn't and enjoy yourself


I agree. Many posters here seem to be answering a different question to the one the blogger asked.

The strategy is not all-in, but it is aggressive.

Often it can be difficult for newer players to understand what "all-in" means because it gets thrown around by so many different players. The most common and typical way an all-in strategy is interpreted is: where you cut your economy BIG TIME, either in terms of workers, bases or both, and you play very aggressively. If blocked you are usually toast. A typical mistake people make is that while all all-ins are aggressive playstyles, not all aggressive playstyles are all-in.

Your strategy continues probe production and expands, so it is 100% not all-in.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
June 08 2012 04:29 GMT
#25
On June 08 2012 12:45 OmniEulogy wrote:
Ee Han Timing and all-in are two totally different things. You are fine. Keep it up


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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
June 08 2012 04:39 GMT
#26
Well that's definitely an all-in. If you don't do significant damage you will lose to a counter push when medivacs come out. You will literally just get torn apart.

However by all means keep using it until it doesn't work. When it stops working figure out why and then think about trying a different strategy or tweaking it to make it continue to work.
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DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
June 08 2012 05:17 GMT
#27
Basically I shouldn't really be questioning that strats I'm doing until the higher leagues? Okay, I'll try and get to Masters before the end of summer, and than readdress this issue.

You guys rock, thanks for the input ♥
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 08 2012 05:20 GMT
#28
Well you can adjust now or later. It's up to you.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
June 08 2012 06:40 GMT
#29
Go ahead and do whatever works for you.

There are a lot of builds that rely on doing damage to a fast expanding player, or at least delaying his econ/tech a little such as the Cloakshee expand in TvT. The key is that they're not all-in, and can easily transition into a macro game, while still being very powerful in the early game.

Keep in mind, however, you will get losses and a lot of people will BM you/tell you to stop and play a 'real game' with 1gate FE or similar. However, builds like these are great for improving IMO, since they train multitasking, macro while micro in the early game which you start in, and are very good in a BoX.

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Lousy!
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada73 Posts
June 08 2012 07:04 GMT
#30
I think it's time for you to bask in your Terran opponents' tears, and take pride in your homosexuality, even if you're not actually homosexual. Psychological effect, and all.

On June 08 2012 09:29 DJWilma wrote:
but can still win the game if it goes into the late game.
This is pretty significant, because it possibly means that you already know how to macro.

Whether or not you'll lose to better players in the future with this strategy doesn't matter. Sure, it'll definitely happen, but that's true for any strategy. If it happens, then you can improve your build or try something new. It's not like you're flying and you'll hit a wall and fall to your death, there's no problem if you find a new strategies later if your current strategy isn't working and you're losing.

Why do people assume that people who push early game can't macro? They should consider that the push only works with superior macro.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 08 2012 07:27 GMT
#31
You bulldog in SC2! Haha. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bulldog_(vs._Terran)

One thing you could try is doing the same build off of a 1 gate FE, if you want to focus on macro more. That might even allow you to get a pretty fast third in some situations.

Think of it as the protoss version of how terrans moved on from 7:30 stim timings into 10:00 stim/medivac timings. The latter wins fewer games outright, but wins more games overall at a high level.

Keep experimenting, gl on the ladder, etc.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 08 2012 08:14 GMT
#32
It's all in to a point. If you lose that army you are done you lose no way you can come back unless the terran player dies or something. You have to do damage, if you do 0 damage you are pretty much screwed as well. So essentially yes it is all in as if you lose your army and do no damage you instant lose and if you decide not to attack well you are very behind due to doing no damage anyway.
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Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 08:21:32
June 08 2012 08:19 GMT
#33
Every 1 rax FE will crush this build if properly dealt with. If you don't do damage, you lose against a 1 rax FE. It's pretty much an all in. Don't worry tho all these builds all ins are stupidly hard to deal with even in high master. Just keep all ining. It will win you plenty of games.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 08 2012 12:39 GMT
#34
As someone has already said; if your goal is to win games, keep doing this by all means. If your goal is to improve and become the best possible player that you can be, I'd suggest focusing on a more macro-oriented style as your go-to build.
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