Is the discussion about maphacking hurting esports

On June 05 2012 16:15 Son of Gnome wrote:
I don't think the idea of finding hackers is bad, I feel the way we got about is completely wrong. We need to make sure that they are hacking we can't just think they are. I feel blizzard needs to step up and deal with it, these witch hunts are getting fucking old.

On June 05 2012 16:23 ThePurist wrote:
The accused can clear their name by playing with a first person camera (lol) recording them playing I guess?

On June 05 2012 17:04 Battleaxe wrote:
If the discussion is "hurting" esports, aren't you hurting it too by posting this blog?

On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ?

On June 05 2012 17:07 Kassploj wrote:
Depending on how the hack itself is built, taking a screenshot when asked to during a game when someone feels suspicious, and then submitting it to some kind of forum so that you can actually check the opponent's screen. This of course is utterly pointless if the hack can just be disabled for a few seconds by pressing a key.

Other than that, the establishment of a fair play team that can review submitted replays to see if there are any signs of maphacking or any other kind of cheating. Unfortunately since the SC2 community is so big, it would also need a huge fscking fair play team, and for it to have any effect at all it would have to be acknowledged by Blizzard so that they could actually point out hackers and Blizzard would ban them on command or after discussion.

On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:


What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ?

On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:


You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ?

On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:


Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2).

Exhibit 1

On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:


Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ?

On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:


That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game.

On June 05 2012 17:43 lannisport wrote:
TL needs to appoint some sort of hacker investigatory council with their own dedicated subforum where they neutrally and carefully weigh the evidence against a particular player and come to some sort of consensus instead of releasing them to a pack of wolves. Sure, Spades might be guilty of hacking but can you imagine if he wasn't? The damage done would be irreparable. Maybe some trigger happy people have already emailed his team's sponsors.

Most of the responses in that thread are one liners such as "The evidence is overwhelming.", "He's guilty", "The pros have said he's guilty you'd have to be blind to not see it." At least people should have the courtesy to post what they mean by "The evidence is overwhelming." Okay... What piece of evidence specifically? Why is it overwhelming? Has the same amount of effort been put in to object that specific claim as there was supporting it?

On June 05 2012 17:49 Sawamura wrote:


Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game.

On June 05 2012 18:04 Probe1 wrote:
I was going to just let this pass by but I think what you're missing here is whenever someone says ESPORTS a lot of us just have a laugh. It's difficult to use the over used term with even the slightest straight face at this point.

The SC community is still here despite years of actual maphacking scandals. SC2 will be here tomorrow (WITH NEW EXCITING DRAMA!) for everyone to freak out about.

I thought, you being here for as long as you have, you'd have realized the inconsequential nature of most drama that happens day to day.

Edit: I'm barely awake, waiting for GSTL and I can remember off the top of my head no less than 7 times when there was a widely written opinion that SC2 was done for by some random, small time drama. Map hack accusations are a serious matter but not to the level it's being taken.

On June 05 2012 18:03 Sawamura wrote:


Hackers are still prominent in every game that is marketed widely you close one open door they will open another one .What makes you think they will stop hacking ? Valve vac couldn't do a thing about people hacking the game because some of this guy actually paid software programmers to program hacks so they can play and bash people online with satisfaction. Deal with it hackers are not going to stop tempering with the game and find all the exploits they can do in online gameplay . I will stick to the point that hacking a few games in online session isn't enough to destroy (e-sports or sc2 what ever).

On June 05 2012 18:20 Sawamura wrote:


You can't save everyone on the internet especially when it comes to people hacking the game and them destroying individual experience in game .

On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:


That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game.

On June 05 2012 18:36 Sawamura wrote:


Supreme commander 2(sc2) was awesome man I love it a lot .

On June 05 2012 19:30 MateShade wrote:
Well done for ruining this mans blog. Repost op?

On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ?

On June 05 2012 18:34 MateShade wrote:

Are you mad because whatever game you play isn't as awesome as sc2? Why are you so padantic? Jesus dude

On June 05 2012 16:06 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
The People who are wrongly accused will have a hard time to prove themselve innocent and the reputation will be damaged no matter if they are innocent.

On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:
Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ?

On June 06 2012 00:38 Marti wrote:
No offense but when i read this :

All i want to say is this :
Is having a justice system hurting life ? Because innocents might be found guilty...

I feel like the problem is the overall attitude of the community ( witch hunting runs rampant, people are hypocrites ), not the fact that some guy reveals he thinks some other guy is cheating. The "spades cheating ?" thread shows this perfectly : waaaay too many people jump to conclusions and omit the fact that the op has 1 fucking post. Too many people give their opinions without having any analytical skills, just because they feel like talking. Too few people pay attention to the posts that matter ( Pros, ex pros etc, a mod had to highlight it for people to see it ). If the community was more reasonable, there would be no problem, a majority of the posts in the thread would be that of pros, not random people telling random crap ( the thread would probably be less than fifty pages long too ^^ ) and the OP would probably get a warning of some sort.

So no, in my opinion, " the discussion about maphacking does not hurt sc2 ", it's the attitude of the community that does. And it does it greatly

On June 06 2012 01:52 Sawamura wrote:


Legitimate e-sport ? or legitimate competitive scene for sc2 ? Stop representing e-sport as sc2.

On June 06 2012 01:49 Chilling5pr33 wrote:


I dont feel this is an offense at all thanks for posting.

A justice system is one thing, but a witch hunt another.
We have a justice system in the moment - provided by blizzard.
But since they arent able to enforce it properly the community starts hunting for "criminals" by themselve.

I mean hell before this discussion i thought it might be a few players who actually hack and that blizzard does a decent job preventing it.
But now it turns out that its pretty hard to
A) Prove someone guilty.
B) Take appropiade actions against it.
C) Prevent hacking on the long run.

If those facts are common knowlege we will be in the need of a better solution than the given ones.
Actually the awarenes of hacks is the first step to a brighter nearly or total hack free future.
And i wanted to go a step in this direction by opening this thread.

Anyone who feels i have done a poor job opening this is probably right but i felt the need to distand the discussion from one case and put it on a more general level, still this Blog isnt the best i have to admit, and i would be glad if it would be closed just becouse it might be off-topic or just plain needless.

Lets hope for the best and that either the community or Blizzard finds a good solution to this.
I love competitive gaming i like to watch it and to play on my low level for fun, i have never seen the need to improve anything, till now.

On June 07 2012 09:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
IS TESTING FOR STEROIDS HURTING SPORTS?

On June 07 2012 09:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
IS TESTING FOR STEROIDS HURTING SPORTS?