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So this question pops up when i see the spades discussion and i open this blog to discuss this topic a bit more.
So i made a list with pro and cons they might be invalid or just plain wrong.
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Pro
Maphackers are revealed and cannot steal GM spots and/or get unfair advantages.
The awareness get raised and it gets more hard to stream cheat / maphack becouse people are looking for evidences.
Blizzard has to invest more recources into this since they get more responce/complains.
Maphackers will try harder to hide the hack and cannot get too much benefit from it since they have to hide the hack by investing gametime or recources (fake scans / scouting)
Cons
The People who are wrongly accused will have a hard time to prove themselve innocent and the reputation will be damaged no matter if they are innocent.
The ESPORT scene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
People might enjoy the game less if they think others are generally cheating.
Players might get witch hunted on purpose just becouse of dislike.
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We have a lot of examples in other sports like Biking (steroids) there the discussion was very damaging to the whole scene since people didnt enjoyed watching it afterwards.
Can you add something to this list that we get a more clear view on this situation and if its good or bad for the scene?
Im sorry if this isnt the right place or time to speak about it but since the spade discussion get so much responce i would like to see the public opinion on this.
 
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I don't think the idea of finding hackers is bad, I feel the way we got about is completely wrong. We need to make sure that they are hacking we can't just think they are. I feel blizzard needs to step up and deal with it, these witch hunts are getting fucking old.
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On June 05 2012 16:15 Son of Gnome wrote:
I don't think the idea of finding hackers is bad, I feel the way we got about is completely wrong. We need to make sure that they are hacking we can't just think they are. I feel blizzard needs to step up and deal with it, these witch hunts are getting fucking old.
Yeah i understand what you are saying but on the other side blizzard cant invest that amount of money into it ,they need very good players to actually check it, and those players would need a lot of time for each individual player.
So i dont see them solving this all by themselve.
So if the comunity needs to help what should we do?
If this isnt the right way to do it what way would it be?
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People jump on things too fast without even thinking it through properly. It's the whole mob mentality.
The accused can clear their name by playing with a first person camera (lol) recording them playing I guess?
The discussion of maphacker's isn't hurting esports per se, but it's actually the cheaters that hurt the sport and scene. The legitimate players get affected as well by the cheaters and for every cheater the scene loses credibility/reputation.
Or that's at least how I feel.
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On June 05 2012 16:23 ThePurist wrote:
The accused can clear their name by playing with a first person camera (lol) recording them playing I guess?
I believe this is a nice option even if its sad that they have to but it would re-establish the reputation.
They would only need to release it when they are accused.
But everyone would need to record themselve all the time wich is kinda ridicolous
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If the discussion is "hurting" esports, aren't you hurting it too by posting this blog?
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Depending on how the hack itself is built, taking a screenshot when asked to during a game when someone feels suspicious, and then submitting it to some kind of forum so that you can actually check the opponent's screen. This of course is utterly pointless if the hack can just be disabled for a few seconds by pressing a key.
Other than that, the establishment of a fair play team that can review submitted replays to see if there are any signs of maphacking or any other kind of cheating. Unfortunately since the SC2 community is so big, it would also need a huge fscking fair play team, and for it to have any effect at all it would have to be acknowledged by Blizzard so that they could actually point out hackers and Blizzard would ban them on command or after discussion.
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On June 05 2012 17:04 Battleaxe wrote:
If the discussion is "hurting" esports, aren't you hurting it too by posting this blog?
hehe you have a point there but i cant change the fact that this is discussed all over.
And by posting it i just want to check if its good or bad.
I dont want to drag additional attention to the topic and i dont accuse anyone in here.
I go a step ahead and ask if the discussion itself is good or bad.
and im not stating that its bad im asking ... big difference.
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On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ?
What is this question?
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On June 05 2012 17:07 Kassploj wrote:
Depending on how the hack itself is built, taking a screenshot when asked to during a game when someone feels suspicious, and then submitting it to some kind of forum so that you can actually check the opponent's screen. This of course is utterly pointless if the hack can just be disabled for a few seconds by pressing a key.
Other than that, the establishment of a fair play team that can review submitted replays to see if there are any signs of maphacking or any other kind of cheating. Unfortunately since the SC2 community is so big, it would also need a huge fscking fair play team, and for it to have any effect at all it would have to be acknowledged by Blizzard so that they could actually point out hackers and Blizzard would ban them on command or after discussion.
Well we only have 600 GM players it should be possible to control those by such a team.
All others arent really that importand i guess.
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On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:What is this question?
What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ?
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On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ?
Do you want to discuss this here?
Always nice to argue with one liners 
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On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners
You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ?
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On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ?
Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess, but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about.
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On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about.
Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2).
Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
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On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1 Show nested quote +
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear
well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point?
Can you please stop argue about such minor things?
You can hack in all games so this applies to ESPORTS in general. (Non LAN)
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On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things?
Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ?
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On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ?
Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man.
Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money.
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On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ? What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money.
That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game.
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