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On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
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What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners  You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game.
Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online"
you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D
great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive
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TL needs to appoint some sort of hacker investigatory council with their own dedicated subforum where they neutrally and carefully weigh the evidence against a particular player and come to some sort of consensus instead of releasing them to a pack of wolves. Sure, Spades might be guilty of hacking but can you imagine if he wasn't? The damage done would be irreparable. Maybe some trigger happy people have already emailed his team's sponsors.
Most of the responses in that thread are one liners such as "The evidence is overwhelming.", "He's guilty", "The pros have said he's guilty you'd have to be blind to not see it." At least people should have the courtesy to post what they mean by "The evidence is overwhelming." Okay... What piece of evidence specifically? Why is it overwhelming? Has the same amount of effort been put in to object that specific claim as there was supporting it?
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On June 05 2012 17:43 lannisport wrote:
TL needs to appoint some sort of hacker investigatory council with their own dedicated subforum where they neutrally and carefully weigh the evidence against a particular player and come to some sort of consensus instead of releasing them to a pack of wolves. Sure, Spades might be guilty of hacking but can you imagine if he wasn't? The damage done would be irreparable. Maybe some trigger happy people have already emailed his team's sponsors.
Most of the responses in that thread are one liners such as "The evidence is overwhelming.", "He's guilty", "The pros have said he's guilty you'd have to be blind to not see it." At least people should have the courtesy to post what they mean by "The evidence is overwhelming." Okay... What piece of evidence specifically? Why is it overwhelming? Has the same amount of effort been put in to object that specific claim as there was supporting it?
Yeah i agree.
Where i dont agree is that TL should be in charge... what if a player of TL is a maphacker? (dear lord let this never happen)
It should be a mission of Blizzard and none other i believe... but a council would be perfect.
I know i contradict myself here but since there are only 600 GM spots and those are the only spots really matter its kinda possible for Blizzard to get control of it.
There are 2 different scenes out there the hobby players or players for fun and the semi pro to pro scene.
As annoying as playing against cheaters on diamont level and below is its not really importand but as soon as we get to high masters to grand master level it is connected to actual money so we need to get a bit more serious here.
The community would be able to deal with the first type of hackers perfectly but the pros will be quite hard to handle like this.
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On June 05 2012 17:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:
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What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online" you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive
Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game.
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On June 05 2012 17:49 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:[quote] Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online" you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game.
Yeah thats why its just one of the points in the cons list and not the major one.
Well i belive hackers can damage the scene permanently on the long run, so the sooner we deal with it the sooner this problem is out of the way.
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On June 05 2012 17:57 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:49 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:
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You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online" you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game. Yeah thats why its just one of the points in the cons list and not the major one. Well i belive hackers can damage the scene permanently on the long run, so the sooner we deal with it the sooner this problem is out of the way.
Hackers are still prominent in every game that is marketed widely you close one open door they will open another one .What makes you think they will stop hacking ? Valve vac couldn't do a thing about people hacking the game because some of this guy actually paid software programmers to program hacks so they can play and bash people online with satisfaction. Deal with it hackers are not going to stop tempering with the game and find all the exploits they can do in online gameplay . I will stick to the point that hacking a few games in online session isn't enough to destroy (e-sports or sc2 what ever).
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I was going to just let this pass by but I think what you're missing here is whenever someone says ESPORTS a lot of us just have a laugh. It's difficult to use the over used term with even the slightest straight face at this point.
The SC community is still here despite years of actual maphacking scandals. SC2 will be here tomorrow (WITH NEW EXCITING DRAMA!) for everyone to freak out about.
I thought, you being here for as long as you have, you'd have realized the inconsequential nature of most drama that happens day to day.
Edit: I'm barely awake, waiting for GSTL and I can remember off the top of my head no less than 7 times when there was a widely written opinion that SC2 was done for by some random, small time drama. Map hack accusations are a serious matter but not to the level it's being taken.
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On June 05 2012 18:04 Probe1 wrote:
I was going to just let this pass by but I think what you're missing here is whenever someone says ESPORTS a lot of us just have a laugh. It's difficult to use the over used term with even the slightest straight face at this point.
The SC community is still here despite years of actual maphacking scandals. SC2 will be here tomorrow (WITH NEW EXCITING DRAMA!) for everyone to freak out about.
I thought, you being here for as long as you have, you'd have realized the inconsequential nature of most drama that happens day to day.
Edit: I'm barely awake, waiting for GSTL and I can remember off the top of my head no less than 7 times when there was a widely written opinion that SC2 was done for by some random, small time drama. Map hack accusations are a serious matter but not to the level it's being taken.
Nah actually i absolutely dont think SC2 is done in any way :/
I just believe it should be discussed on another level like how to deal with future cases.
And how in general this should be handled.
I believe its getting pretty serious at the stage where actual money is on the line.
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On June 05 2012 18:03 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:57 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:49 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
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Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online" you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game. Yeah thats why its just one of the points in the cons list and not the major one. Well i belive hackers can damage the scene permanently on the long run, so the sooner we deal with it the sooner this problem is out of the way. Hackers are still prominent in every game that is marketed widely you close one open door they will open another one .What makes you think they will stop hacking ? Valve vac couldn't do a thing about people hacking the game because some of this guy actually paid software programmers to program hacks so they can play and bash people online with satisfaction. Deal with it hackers are not going to stop tempering with the game and find all the exploits they can do in online gameplay . I will stick to the point that hacking a few games in online session isn't enough to destroy (e-sports or sc2 what ever).
Yeah i agree but what it does is killing single individuals, thats like the biggest thing what can actually happen to a player.
And if only 1 sponsor says Playing Electronical games for money doesnt make sence since you could betray the system esports has lost a bit of its impact.
No one says this guy taking steroids in Sports has absolutely no effect and shouldnt be discussed at all.
Why should we close both eyes to this then?
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I appreciate your concerns better now after reading that post. However I am still certain that this best represents Blizzards less than staunch policy of shutting down cheaters; not as a malignant tumor growing in the whole of esports.
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On June 05 2012 18:15 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 18:03 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:57 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:49 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:
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Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2).
Exhibit 1
[quote] Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online" you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game. Yeah thats why its just one of the points in the cons list and not the major one. Well i belive hackers can damage the scene permanently on the long run, so the sooner we deal with it the sooner this problem is out of the way. Hackers are still prominent in every game that is marketed widely you close one open door they will open another one .What makes you think they will stop hacking ? Valve vac couldn't do a thing about people hacking the game because some of this guy actually paid software programmers to program hacks so they can play and bash people online with satisfaction. Deal with it hackers are not going to stop tempering with the game and find all the exploits they can do in online gameplay . I will stick to the point that hacking a few games in online session isn't enough to destroy (e-sports or sc2 what ever). Yeah i agree but what it does is killing single individuals, thats like the biggest thing what can actually happen to a player. And if only 1 sponsor says Playing Electronical games for money doesnt make sence since you could betray the system esports has lost a bit of its impact. No one says this guy taking steroids in Sports has absolutely no effect and shouldnt be discussed at all. Why should we close both eyes to this then?
You can't save everyone on the internet especially when it comes to people hacking the game and them destroying individual experience in game .
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On June 05 2012 18:20 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 18:15 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 18:03 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:57 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:49 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
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Oh dear
well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point?
Can you please stop argue about such minor things?
Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Yeah sorry was writing "non online" while it should have been "online" you really can be a pain in the *** but thanks for pointing out my fault here :D great that your contribution to this discussion is so productive Doesn't change the fact there are still hackers out there for every game but in the end it's not hurting (E-SPORTS) because in the end as long as the competitive scene stays "Clean and unaffected" which plays a much more larger role in representing the game rather than a few session online with hackers will immediately cause Sponsors to lose " faith" in the game. Yeah thats why its just one of the points in the cons list and not the major one. Well i belive hackers can damage the scene permanently on the long run, so the sooner we deal with it the sooner this problem is out of the way. Hackers are still prominent in every game that is marketed widely you close one open door they will open another one .What makes you think they will stop hacking ? Valve vac couldn't do a thing about people hacking the game because some of this guy actually paid software programmers to program hacks so they can play and bash people online with satisfaction. Deal with it hackers are not going to stop tempering with the game and find all the exploits they can do in online gameplay . I will stick to the point that hacking a few games in online session isn't enough to destroy (e-sports or sc2 what ever). Yeah i agree but what it does is killing single individuals, thats like the biggest thing what can actually happen to a player. And if only 1 sponsor says Playing Electronical games for money doesnt make sence since you could betray the system esports has lost a bit of its impact. No one says this guy taking steroids in Sports has absolutely no effect and shouldnt be discussed at all. Why should we close both eyes to this then? You can't save everyone on the internet especially when it comes to people hacking the game and them destroying individual experience in game .
YEP finally we are on one level  thats exacly what i wanted to point out there are pro and cons of this and a individual who is wrongly accused might suffer for the benefit of a more clean game.
And i think its a good thing.
But the protection of the players is also importand.
We need to find a middle way for this.
As stated before a council of players who discuss cases non-public would be a pretty neat solution (ofcourse payed by Blizzard). But actually i dont think they do plan this ATM.
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On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:13 Chilling5pr33 wrote:
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What is this question? What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game.
Are you mad because whatever game you play isn't as awesome as sc2? Why are you so padantic? Jesus dude
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On June 05 2012 18:34 MateShade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Sawamura wrote:
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What has sc2 got to do with e-sports ? Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Are you mad because whatever game you play isn't as awesome as sc2? Why are you so padantic? Jesus dude
Supreme commander 2(sc2) was awesome man I love it a lot .
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On June 05 2012 18:36 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 18:34 MateShade wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:18 Chilling5pr33 wrote:[quote] Do you want to discuss this here? Always nice to argue with one liners You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Are you mad because whatever game you play isn't as awesome as sc2? Why are you so padantic? Jesus dude Supreme commander 2(sc2) was awesome man I love it a lot .
such a master troll the official shortcut for supreme comander 2 is supcom2 dear lord stop trolling :D
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On June 05 2012 18:39 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 18:36 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 18:34 MateShade wrote:On June 05 2012 17:34 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:33 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:30 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:25 Sawamura wrote:On June 05 2012 17:23 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On June 05 2012 17:20 Sawamura wrote:
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You can't represent sc2 as the only thing that has got to do with e-sports what about bw,Halo,LoL and Dota 2 ? Not qualified to be e-sport materials ? Well hacking in generall is a problem in all e-sports i guess but since this page is mostly about SC2 i dont discuss the other games here... really i have no clue what you wanna argue about. Point is you trying to argue that your scene is equivalent to the whole e-sport scene . What happens in sc2 scene stays in sc2 don't try to generalize sc2 as the whole e-sport. Hacking in sc2 will not kill esport(sc2). Exhibit 1
The ESPORTscene overall will get suspicious for sponsors and they might refuce to invest into it.
Oh dear well i could change all my ESPORTS to SC2 but it also applys to all other games so what is your point? Can you please stop argue about such minor things? Hacking in broodwar did not kill broodwar, Hacking in Cs 1.6 and source did not kill both the scene what makes you think some guy hacking on sc2 will kill your precious scene ? Seems like you are upset with my post im sorry to upset you man. Cheating in online tournaments was a issue in CS it was a issue in BW and it will stay a issue in all games played for money. That's nonsense if anything if some one hacks on a non-online tournament the organizers are to be blame each pc are supposed to be clean from any hacking software . They should be rules banning players from installing any software in to the pc's before each game. Are you mad because whatever game you play isn't as awesome as sc2? Why are you so padantic? Jesus dude Supreme commander 2(sc2) was awesome man I love it a lot . such a master troll the official shortcut for supreme comander 2 is supcom2 dear lord stop trolling :D
Oh I see but I call supreme commander 2 as sc2 also well no one is going to stop me from calling the game sc2
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Well done for ruining this mans blog. Repost op?
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On June 05 2012 19:30 MateShade wrote:
Well done for ruining this mans blog. Repost op?
Yeah i know no prob for me ive got 4 good responces and made my mind up its fine for me :D
But thanks for the support man appriciate it :D
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On June 05 2012 17:06 Sawamura wrote:
What is e-sports ?
I think he erroneously misspelled ESPORTS, to which I am aghast that any gentlemen would dare harbour ill intentions towards such a divine vehicle.
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5/5 for the title, would read again (the title)
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EPT
