EPTA Polemical Diablo 3 Review - Page 2
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
I feel blizzard should add some tuning so that when you play solo, rare mobs can't get properties which completely counters your class, if you have good gear, you should do fine, you shouldn't have to kite away monsters to SKIP them because they are way harder than the rest of the game. | ||
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Crazyseal
United Kingdom259 Posts
1) No open world - This is, imo, a real flaw to the game and eliminates so much of the randomness in RPG's which often make them great, such as ganking or doing random crazy things to people. 2) No factions - Without PvP being implemented from release and the lack of opposition the game is pretty much a vs AI grind fest, which granted some people enjoy, but it is mind numbingly repetitive, without any real strategy. PvP being delayed means that the game is not competitive at all. 3) Small Games - A max of 5 people per game is quite poor for Diablo. Even D2 would allow 8 people max if I recall correctly which allowed a lot more interaction. 4) Exactly the same Quests - Just like in D2, going from one difficulty or character, to another is a mirror image of the game. Even in WoW, which is arguably similar in these instances, there is much more choice in the areas you want to quest , the range of quests and the whole feel of the levelling system. 5) Lack of Skill involved - With the ability to be able to swap and switch everything on your character and its skills, it really destroys the ability for actual skill based game play and the need to level another of the same class, which is what made D2 a brilliant game in terms of continuity. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43571 Posts
On May 21 2012 19:53 brachester wrote: "who the fuck play diablo 3 for the story?". I don't mind it that much but it doesn't change the fact that d3's story is shit and not everyone plays the game the way you do. I think that's a good point. I don't really play D3 for the story, but for Gheed to just dismiss the argument just because that's not how he approaches the game isn't really a way to debate or counter someone's complaint. I agree with Gheed on the Elective, 4 player max, and Diablo tits problems. And it's indeed silly for people to say the game is too easy, especially when no one will be beating hardcore mode anytime soon. Question, Gheed: What made you name yourself after the biggest douchebag in Diablo 2? Or was there a different reason for choosing the name that you did?  | ||
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IBringUFire
Germany103 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:18 Crazyseal wrote: TBH, i find alot of this review to be incorrect in my opinion. The game is simply just boring. Its an RPG, without any real feel of being an RPG. [...] I think this is a misconception. Diablo is not an RPG. It has never been. It as a Hack & Slay. 1. The mere fact that it takes place in a fantasy environment around a clash between heaven & hell does not make it an RPG. 2. The mere fact that numbers make up your character stats does not make it an RPG. 3. NPCs do not make it an RPG. 4. Continue as you would like. | ||
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Crazyseal
United Kingdom259 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:29 IBringUFire wrote: I think this is a misconception. Diablo is not an RPG. It has never been. It as a Hack & Slay. 1. The mere fact that it takes place in a fantasy environment around a clash between heaven & hell does not make it an RPG. 2. The mere fact that numbers make up your character stats does not make it an RPG. 3. NPCs do not make it an RPG. 4. Continue as you would like. Diablo 3 IS an RPG. All of things you mention are exactly what constitutes this genre of game. You take the role of a character and go through the game universe playing as that individual and gaining experience and items along the way. Of course it is a hack and slash game but that does not make it mutually exclusive to also be an RPG. Take S.T.A.L.K.E.R for example, that's an RPG as well, just FPS-RPG. | ||
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DAttEBay0
Canada19 Posts
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:56 DAttEBay0 wrote: This doesnt even come off as a review, it just seems like the guy is bashing a lot of other peoples opinions, all im getting from this is his biased opinion towards a video game. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/polemic http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/review | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:18 Crazyseal wrote: TBH, i find alot of this review to be incorrect in my opinion. The game is simply just boring. Its an RPG, without any real feel of being an RPG. The game is simply a worse version of WoW, and hold your horses, let me explain why: 1) No open world - This is, imo, a real flaw to the game and eliminates so much of the randomness in RPG's which often make them great, such as ganking or doing random crazy things to people. 2) No factions - Without PvP being implemented from release and the lack of opposition the game is pretty much a vs AI grind fest, which granted some people enjoy, but it is mind numbingly repetitive, without any real strategy. PvP being delayed means that the game is not competitive at all. 3) Small Games - A max of 5 people per game is quite poor for Diablo. Even D2 would allow 8 people max if I recall correctly which allowed a lot more interaction. 4) Exactly the same Quests - Just like in D2, going from one difficulty or character, to another is a mirror image of the game. Even in WoW, which is arguably similar in these instances, there is much more choice in the areas you want to quest , the range of quests and the whole feel of the levelling system. 5) Lack of Skill involved - With the ability to be able to swap and switch everything on your character and its skills, it really destroys the ability for actual skill based game play and the need to level another of the same class, which is what made D2 a brilliant game in terms of continuity. Just my 2 cents. Congrats, probably a common opinion if you expect an MMO when you get a hack n slash. "Halo is just boring, it's just like Rayman origins, but instead of seeing it in 2D, you see it in some form of first person view, which is just weird". | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:18 Crazyseal wrote: 5) Lack of Skill involved - With the ability to be able to swap and switch everything on your character and its skills, it really destroys the ability for actual skill based game play and the need to level another of the same class, which is what made D2 a brilliant game in terms of continuity. Lack of skill ? It's way more dynamic than D2 where you have a limited amount of usable skills. As the possibilities grow, the skill range grows the same. | ||
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Kreig
Germany79 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Question, Gheed: What made you name yourself after the biggest douchebag in Diablo 2? Or was there a different reason for choosing the name that you did? Maybe they share a passion?  But seriously, great blog post. This is pretty much how i feel as well. In addition, I really dislike that you can't switch acts as easily as in D2 and if I want to go back to retry a previous quest it will reset my progress (Is there any way around it?) | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 21 2012 21:17 Kreig wrote: Maybe they share a passion? But seriously, great blog post. This is pretty much how i feel as well. In addition, I really dislike that you can't switch acts as easily as in D2 and if I want to go back to retry a previous quest it will reset my progress (Is there any way around it?) It resets your progress just as much as it did in D2... Just do the previous quest, quit, go to change quest, change to the one you were on and boom, you're right back. Should be noted that some quest points are quite long, so you're guaranteed to lose a bit of progress sometimes. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
Diablo has tits - I haven't seen anyone complain specifically about this, but seriously, what the hell. This was my first thought aswell upon encountering Diablo. What the fuck was Blizzard thinking? | ||
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Kreig
Germany79 Posts
On May 21 2012 21:28 Tobberoth wrote: It resets your progress just as much as it did in D2... Just do the previous quest, quit, go to change quest, change to the one you were on and boom, you're right back. Should be noted that some quest points are quite long, so you're guaranteed to lose a bit of progress sometimes. Oooh, ok thanks. I did not dare to actually go back in quests to see what would happen. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 21 2012 20:18 Crazyseal wrote: TBH, i find alot of this review to be incorrect in my opinion. The game is simply just boring. Its an RPG, without any real feel of being an RPG. The game is simply a worse version of WoW, and hold your horses, let me explain why: 1) No open world - This is, imo, a real flaw to the game and eliminates so much of the randomness in RPG's which often make them great, such as ganking or doing random crazy things to people. 2) No factions - Without PvP being implemented from release and the lack of opposition the game is pretty much a vs AI grind fest, which granted some people enjoy, but it is mind numbingly repetitive, without any real strategy. PvP being delayed means that the game is not competitive at all. 3) Small Games - A max of 5 people per game is quite poor for Diablo. Even D2 would allow 8 people max if I recall correctly which allowed a lot more interaction. 4) Exactly the same Quests - Just like in D2, going from one difficulty or character, to another is a mirror image of the game. Even in WoW, which is arguably similar in these instances, there is much more choice in the areas you want to quest , the range of quests and the whole feel of the levelling system. 5) Lack of Skill involved - With the ability to be able to swap and switch everything on your character and its skills, it really destroys the ability for actual skill based game play and the need to level another of the same class, which is what made D2 a brilliant game in terms of continuity. Just my 2 cents. Go Guild Wars 2 you'll love it. Oh wait GW2 has 5) all over it. + Show Spoiler + but 5) makes no sense, skill based gameplay? I think you're not talking about being good but being focused around one skill/spell? Well, this sucks, I have fun playing D3 because each time I tinker with a different DH build, and I think after 50 hours I'm getting to the point where I finally have one build for each kind of play, be it Solo or PvM with my buddies My complaint with D3 specifically is - I can't wait longer for some pvp action. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On May 21 2012 20:18 Crazyseal wrote: TBH, i find alot of this review to be incorrect in my opinion. The game is simply just boring. Its an RPG, without any real feel of being an RPG. The game is simply a worse version of WoW, and hold your horses, let me explain why: 1) No open world - This is, imo, a real flaw to the game and eliminates so much of the randomness in RPG's which often make them great, such as ganking or doing random crazy things to people. 2) No factions - Without PvP being implemented from release and the lack of opposition the game is pretty much a vs AI grind fest, which granted some people enjoy, but it is mind numbingly repetitive, without any real strategy. PvP being delayed means that the game is not competitive at all. 3) Small Games - A max of 5 people per game is quite poor for Diablo. Even D2 would allow 8 people max if I recall correctly which allowed a lot more interaction. 4) Exactly the same Quests - Just like in D2, going from one difficulty or character, to another is a mirror image of the game. Even in WoW, which is arguably similar in these instances, there is much more choice in the areas you want to quest , the range of quests and the whole feel of the levelling system. 5) Lack of Skill involved - With the ability to be able to swap and switch everything on your character and its skills, it really destroys the ability for actual skill based game play and the need to level another of the same class, which is what made D2 a brilliant game in terms of continuity. Just my 2 cents. i'm 99% sure you've never played d2 for any significant amount of time lol this is a game where you 1. hit monsters 2. level up and get better gear 3. hit stronger monsters harder it's not supposed to be a competitive game or an rpg | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
Cabal. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
The game is different than Diablo 2, but I feel it's an upgrade here. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 21 2012 19:53 brachester wrote: "who the fuck play diablo 3 for the story?". I don't mind it that much but it doesn't change the fact that d3's story is shit and not everyone plays the game the way you do. Yeah this is the biggest problem I have with Gheed's arguments. It's probably the dumbest and most un-diablo-fannish argument as well. WTF are you talking about Gheed, Diablo II's story, specifically its cutscenes, were some of the most EPIC and radically awesome experiences in my childhood. All the stuff involving the dark traveller, the guy who goes insane following him and Tyrael finding him in the mental asylum, Tal Rasha being imprisoned etc. Are you KIDDING me??? That stuff was pure godly story. Pretty much no game in history has had a BETTER story than Diablo 2. The argument that people didn't play Diablo because of the story is completely misplaced. Sure they may not have been enticed into playing for the first time because of the story, but surely MANY MANY stayed because of a) the story b) the atmosphere/ visuals c) the music. | ||
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