• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:28
CEST 02:28
KST 09:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors2Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1147 users

Master's Zerg. Ive hit a wall, how do I push thru?

Blogs > dapierow
Post a Reply
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
March 21 2012 23:19 GMT
#1
For 6 seasons Ive always been in the same spot of the ladder. Each season has had me end with rank 40-60 Masters. I know my gameplay and mechanics have gotten better but I still cannot break into what everyone calls 'High Masters". I don't understand why I cant get better.

Yesterday I had a huge losing streak where I was losing to diamond players and I was favoured(~18 points a loss). When ever I want to play for a long period of time I always go on these large losing streaks.

I also have ADD, I've played starcraft on and off my medications but I end up having the same results. I consider my mechanics quite good but to be honest, zerg doesn't benefit from mechanics but rather more decision making. Is my decision making just horrible and thats why I cant make progress?

Would love to hear some theories and some different approaches I could use to try when playing the game.

**
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 21 2012 23:29 GMT
#2
Zerg doesn't benefit from mechanics? Thats very untrue. Larva injections, creep spread unit and drone management is all mechanical. Zerg is actually a race that has shit to do all the time.

I would say play very solid builds, be mechanically clean and know when to drone and when to not. You need to know how to approach certain styles, because if Zerg knows whats coming, they can usually win against it. You should work on your gameplay and especially transition.

If you defend an attack and you have tons of units left in the early - midgame, you made too much units and not enough drones most likely. A good Zerg wants to defend with as much as needed, but not more than that.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
CheesusCrust
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany58 Posts
March 21 2012 23:31 GMT
#3
If you dont make large mechanical mistakes, your problem probably lies in the knowledge of how to pin your enemy on a build, scouting and reacting to your opponent. If thats the case research some knowledge about popular builds or builds that you lose to often and what you have to look out for. Without replays tho this is only an assumption.
andeh
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States904 Posts
March 21 2012 23:32 GMT
#4
Watch some replays, try some unit comps you don't normally do, get decent with those, then come back to what you're doing now as a better player.

Stretch your skills, in a sense. Just like physical workouts, you stop getting ''gains" if you put your body through the same tests week after week.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
March 21 2012 23:48 GMT
#5
Well, I play protoss, and pvz is generally about timings. However, if you're losing to diamonds, there are larger issues at play.

You don't really describe what you're losing to, simply that you're losing. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your builds/strategy's and how you scout. What are you losing to specifically ? Do you like to macro, are you a cheeser? You haven't really given us much to work with. The fact that you believe zerg doesn't benefit from mechanics is rather confusing... If anything, zerg is the only race that actually has to use their racial mechanics.
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
March 22 2012 00:12 GMT
#6
Ok, thank you guys for the feedback. Here is some more information.

I usually like to macro, my best matchup is zvz. Thats why I think my mechanics are my biggest skill, I always win baneling wars, can macro roaches and know how to do decent 2-2 roach timing attacks. My muta harass in zvz is decent and I know very well how to ling run by and when I need spines at my base for their attack.

I think my main flaw vs terran is hellions because I do not have map control. I love to stay ling only and starting 1-1 and 3 base before getting my lair. If they are going bio and are aggressive I can always build lings when they push out and surround before they get to my base. Vs hellions I always feel in the dark because I cannot scout with lings and I feel the terran outmacro me because I cannot get my 3rd base as quick and when I do im always paranoid that they will just simply run by my spines and kill my beautiful drones.

Vs toss I still struggle against 4 gate variations. I can kill the first probe and pylon but if they do not attack by around 6:40 I think they are not 4 gating and build drones and die or if they do something odd like a built gate n cyber at the natural. vs FFE I keep track of when they get two gases on natural and send 2 overlords in at 8 min and an overseer at 10. I Usually win by denying the 3rd and starving the toss out.
Eat.Sleep.Starcraft 2
loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
March 22 2012 00:40 GMT
#7
As for ZvT i suggest you look at the builds Stephano used vs Polt. Go for very fast +1 melee +1 carapace and use roaches to push hellions out of the map. Expand and go for 14-15 min Broods. ZvT is all about getting broodlords the fastest possible now.
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
March 22 2012 01:00 GMT
#8
Zerg benefits from mechanics more than every race. do you EVER miss an inject? Do you have perfect creep spread (IE: You spread tumours on cooldown)? What about your gas timings? Are you able to totally identify what your opponent is planning for you, or do you get caught off guard?

This is really more a strategy forum question, you should post there and include replays. You say your mechanics are really good but you'd be surprised how BAD you actually can be without realizing it - it can take someone else's critical eye to clearly see that certain things make you miss injects, or certain units you control improperly, etc etc.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
00:00
The 5.4k Patch Clash #17
CranKy Ducklings54
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JuggernautJason125
ProTech93
ROOTCatZ 35
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5116
Artosis 743
910 34
NaDa 9
KwarK 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever680
League of Legends
Doublelift3152
JimRising 476
Counter-Strike
taco 704
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0773
hungrybox726
Mew2King74
Other Games
gofns16509
tarik_tv10840
summit1g7216
Liquid`RaSZi1089
Maynarde128
ViBE46
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1678
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream44
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 45
• musti20045 31
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 32m
Afreeca Starleague
9h 32m
Jaedong vs Light
Wardi Open
10h 32m
Monday Night Weeklies
15h 32m
Replay Cast
23h 32m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
1d 10h
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
3 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.