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IEM MC vs. Nerchio

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Durso
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States51 Posts
March 06 2012 15:26 GMT
#1
As i sit here and watch MC play Nerchio, I see him make muta defense look so easy. Is it just me or are mutas really easy to defend against? i have all kinds of trouble against them but MC just makes it look like mutas are silly. MC is just so good vs zerg. maybe it is just i dont have the APM to deal with mutas idk. maybe ill add some replays and see what others think.

another thing from IEM that is interesting is Elfi and his amazing pvp. i have never seen him play a pvp before this but heard about his pvp and seeing it, it just does not look standard but he just wins.

I really like Grubby so I am pulling for him to do well.



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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
March 06 2012 15:31 GMT
#2
you basically gave the answser yourself: no mutas are not easy to defend against, it's just that MC is awesome enough to make it look easy^^.
though i have to admit mutas are not as fearsome as they were a few weeks ago =)
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 06 2012 15:36 GMT
#3
Yeah. MC makes us all realise how sucky we are doesn't he?

Well what I noted from his play was this:

The very moment he saw mutas (when his void ray was killed by them), he threw down his twilight. He allowed his other void ray to do as much damage as possible to the 4th of Nerchio, knowing that it would still die if he tried to retreat, and also to buy time as the mutas had to fly there to kill the void ray.

At the same time, he cannoned up his mineral line and bases really hard, and warped in a templar archive + researched blink as soon as the twilight completed.

Well let's take a page from his book and try this in our next PvZ!
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
March 06 2012 15:44 GMT
#4
Elfi has amazing PvP, he's so unpredictable that it makes it hard for his opponents to understand his style and fight back! Hopefully his next set of opponents include more Protoss.
trueCOMEHfan [16:21] <Qbek> hey sagamama [16:21] <Qbek> you ain;t targe bad
ohsea.toc
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Australia344 Posts
March 06 2012 15:50 GMT
#5
I just enjoyed Rotterdam saying "donky". Also, the viability of 1 base triple robo.
Clip, clop, Camelot.
Durso
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States51 Posts
March 06 2012 17:17 GMT
#6
elfi taking out beating MC....really? he is awesome at pvp Jesus!
Wortie
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands212 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 18:12:55
March 06 2012 18:12 GMT
#7
it's more that most protosses have realised that macroing and getting 3 bases up is better vs muta's than doing 2 base all in all the time.
mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
March 06 2012 19:43 GMT
#8
Interview with Elfi after his win against MC

http://www.aceresport.com/uk/content/96.htm
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
March 06 2012 20:05 GMT
#9
If you look at it really close up, you can actually see a mini version of MC running around in his base and staring down any mutas that approach. They flee in terror.
memes are a dish best served dank
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
March 06 2012 20:29 GMT
#10
On March 07 2012 03:12 Wortie wrote:
it's more that most protosses have realised that macroing and getting 3 bases up is better vs muta's than doing 2 base all in all the time.

Everyone knows having 3 base > 2 base genius, the problem is getting 3 base when 15 mutas show up.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
March 06 2012 22:33 GMT
#11
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Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:39:18
March 06 2012 22:35 GMT
#12
The key is that he have code s apm.

Any decent player know how to battle mutas, the theory is pretty easy the problem is to react with the proper multi tasking that is needed, if you slip, you lose your eco, then you're dead.
Chicken gank op
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 22:52:21
March 06 2012 22:51 GMT
#13
It's not just MC, most korean protosses now of days are really good at defending vs muta play (don't know about na/eu since I play mainly kr but I know in experience in zvp they defend vs muta like perfect ).

It was only a matter of time and has been this way for a little bit now ^^.

On March 07 2012 07:33 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 03:12 Wortie wrote:
it's more that most protosses have realised that macroing and getting 3 bases up is better vs muta's than doing 2 base all in all the time.

2base all-ins are great against Mutalisk builds. They're just not that great against some of the other things Zerg can do.


Sure if you get lucky and the zergs being greedy. If he is playing safe he should have a lot of spines when he see's you are goign to do a 2 base all in (which he should see by scouting your base).
When I think of something else, something will go here
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
March 06 2012 23:26 GMT
#14
I think the thing that made it so easy for him is that he knew it was coming and had plenty of time to prepare. It's difficult to deal with if you're not ready for it, but if you're ready they shouldn't really be a problem. He already had plenty of cannons, plenty of gates, was making predominantly stalkers and was getting out storm tech. That's what made it so easy.

If he had been doing something like going fast colossi, or some sort of heavy robo tech the mutas probably would have just killed him dead. But he was prepared and so he made it look super easy.
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Durso
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States51 Posts
March 07 2012 23:01 GMT
#15
On March 07 2012 08:26 fire_brand wrote:
I think the thing that made it so easy for him is that he knew it was coming and had plenty of time to prepare. It's difficult to deal with if you're not ready for it, but if you're ready they shouldn't really be a problem. He already had plenty of cannons, plenty of gates, was making predominantly stalkers and was getting out storm tech. That's what made it so easy.

If he had been doing something like going fast colossi, or some sort of heavy robo tech the mutas probably would have just killed him dead. But he was prepared and so he made it look super easy.


he did not know it was coming till the last minute...... he only knew after the mutas were out and killing his voids. he just has amazing apm and i agree that the theory of defending mutas is simple and sound but actually executing it is a whole other beast.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
March 07 2012 23:19 GMT
#16
On March 07 2012 07:35 Belha wrote:
The key is that he have code s apm.

Any decent player know how to battle mutas, the theory is pretty easy the problem is to react with the proper multi tasking that is needed, if you slip, you lose your eco, then you're dead.

Lol what's code s apm. The Merz should be Code S^2 apm.

MC just has plenty of good defense and doesn't get caught off guard as a lot of people do, because it's difficult to defend all at once and do the other things that you need to do.
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Durso
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States51 Posts
March 08 2012 00:53 GMT
#17
On March 08 2012 08:19 iSometric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 07:35 Belha wrote:
The key is that he have code s apm.

Any decent player know how to battle mutas, the theory is pretty easy the problem is to react with the proper multi tasking that is needed, if you slip, you lose your eco, then you're dead.

Lol what's code s apm. The Merz should be Code S^2 apm.

MC just has plenty of good defense and doesn't get caught off guard as a lot of people do, because it's difficult to defend all at once and do the other things that you need to do.



maybe he means useful apm. difference between spam and actually using the actions which is what make pros so good. and there decision making ability.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 08 2012 02:05 GMT
#18
On March 08 2012 09:53 Durso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 08:19 iSometric wrote:
On March 07 2012 07:35 Belha wrote:
The key is that he have code s apm.

Any decent player know how to battle mutas, the theory is pretty easy the problem is to react with the proper multi tasking that is needed, if you slip, you lose your eco, then you're dead.

Lol what's code s apm. The Merz should be Code S^2 apm.

MC just has plenty of good defense and doesn't get caught off guard as a lot of people do, because it's difficult to defend all at once and do the other things that you need to do.



maybe he means useful apm. difference between spam and actually using the actions which is what make pros so good. and there decision making ability.


What sets pros apart is their immense and incredibly deep game knowledge on a situational basis, efficient APM is just a product of this.
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