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On March 05 2012 05:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Really, really dumb post.
Judge each club/school by it (and its instructors) own merits, not by what they call things. Especially when there are sooooo many places out there that have "MMA training" that are extremely legit.
Your anecdotes are ridiculous examples of isolated incidents held up as proof of some overarching theme that just doesnt exist.
There are people trying to cash in on everything that is popular, there always will be. Whether that is McDojo TKD or Karate clubs or MMA gyms ran by the previous owners of said gyms that re-branded in an effort to rake in more money as the tide of popularity ebbed on, it doesnt much matter - bullshit is bullshit regardless of name, painting all MMA gyms as being "most likely not worth your time", is ignorant.
Interesting way to put it. For the record, I do judge each gym by it's own merits. However, when you spare against an "MMA School" that produces generally a bunch of assholes who think it's "legit" and they are the real deal, there's a problem.
There are McDojo's in everything. There are McCollegeDegree's by places like University of Phoenix that will get you a degree in less time it takes from a generic school. The draw of McDonaldization of things comes from one main aspect - time. People want things fast.
McDojo's are places that are reputed as being able to give you a belt in a certain time. "I got my yellow belt/blue belt/ect.ect. in 3 months there!" Does that mean they understand the art? Not at all. It's simply the aspect that it's quicker in getting it, and since people want to see a return on investment, it's more business oriented that education oriented.
The main draw in MMA Schools is that. They don't focus on one aspect of fighting. They can teach you ground fighting, grappling, boxing, ect. by wrapping it all together and offering it in one bundle package. That's great. It's also a watered down version of what the actual art teaches you. Does that mean it's not legit? No. Does that mean someone is a Mixed Martial Artist? In my opinion, absolutely not. People who re-brand to make more money have a reasonable business angle for doing it - but the sport of MMA is something that takes years upon years to master, by learning different martial arts. Not by taking six months worth of classes and thinking they got what it takes.
My anecdotes are ridiculous? Do you think all my real life experience associated with this is ridiculous as well? Yep, that's one isolated incident. It's also not the only incident. Don't think that because I type one out makes it automatically the only story I have that is associated with my post.
@thedeadhaji:
100% agree that MMA is generalized as the overall sport. The thing that irks me is when you start getting into these MMA Schools. Again, some are legit. Just like everything, there are diamonds in the rough.
@VampireHoliday:
I don't think I could have said it better. Really good response.
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On March 05 2012 05:32 docvoc wrote:
I did muay thai for a couple months but had to stop due to school but i would gladly go back to it. I had some of the most fun of my life boxing there. I play tennis regularly but due to my tendinitis i can't play as much as i would like to. Personally i trained at an "MMA" gym but really i found that BJJ wasn't much fun for me because i'm small and that muay thai was more fun.
I did Muay Thai as well. I stopped because I realized my instructor was only interested in money and not actually training me shit.
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Does anyone actually know where to find, say, a few examplary high quality MMA matches from relevant and recent tournaments? Didn't really know what to look for on youtube and I'm having trouble finding complete matches instead of just news summaries.
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At first, I thought this was a blog about sexual fantasies involving SLayerS_MMA, now I just feel stupid.
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On March 05 2012 06:50 Zvenn3n wrote:
At first, I thought this was a blog about sexual fantasies involving SLayerS_MMA, now I just feel stupid.
ahahahaha ^^ OT: I took TKD for a little while and absolutely loved it. I was extremely fortunate to have absolutely fantastic lessons, nothing but respect for MMA fighters.
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MMA is a sport with regulations and rules and ref stoppage. People should never learn MMA just to get into street fights because it's just a whole different animal. No rules, more feral. Sure BJJ is great for 1on1 self defense, but what happens when you're arm-barring someone and his boy sledge hammers you with a cinderblock.
Best defense is always to run and keep distance.
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I like MMA, honestly. I get that there's some hate out there but I can respect fans of MMA if they're real.
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Many little things bother people for various reasons. To some people, putting you're elbows on the dinner table during meal time is sacrilege
For me, it's grammatical errors. 
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On March 05 2012 06:14 TG Manny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 05:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Really, really dumb post.
Judge each club/school by it (and its instructors) own merits, not by what they call things. Especially when there are sooooo many places out there that have "MMA training" that are extremely legit.
Your anecdotes are ridiculous examples of isolated incidents held up as proof of some overarching theme that just doesnt exist. MMA will always tend to make you a better streetfighter because you will learn about weapons, disarmament, many styles of fighting that come in handy more than others. (See: wrestling is great when you're up close and just trying to disable a hostile who let you in close. Other forms of martial arts are better at O SHI WE ARE GONNA FIGHT NOW situations IE calling someone out from across the street)
What, MMA doesnt teach you about weapons or disarmamaents. MMA is basically a sport form. Its a sport that mixes different martial arts into one competition style.
I think you take the words Mixed Martial Arts to literal.
Grumbels
Does anyone actually know where to find, say, a few examplary high quality MMA matches from relevant and recent tournaments? Didn't really know what to look for on youtube and I'm having trouble finding complete matches instead of just news summaries.
The tournament style is obsolete and no one really uses it anymore (medical safety issues mostly). I think unless youre willing to shell out for PPVs just google some good highlight reels of MMA on youtube.
I love watching some old PRIDE highlight reels everyonce in awhile to refeel that nostalgia from watching those events.
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On March 05 2012 07:51 xenobarf wrote:Show nested quote +Grumbels
Does anyone actually know where to find, say, a few examplary high quality MMA matches from relevant and recent tournaments? Didn't really know what to look for on youtube and I'm having trouble finding complete matches instead of just news summaries.
The tournament style is obsolete and no one really uses it anymore (medical safety issues mostly). I think unless youre willing to shell out for PPVs just google some good highlight reels of MMA on youtube. I love watching some old PRIDE highlight reels everyonce in awhile to refeel that nostalgia from watching those events.
Thanks, I actually know nothing about MMA, but I'm kind of interested in it. Didn't know they didn't have tournaments, for some reason I was imagining, like, fight-to-the-death+single-elimination tournaments prospering. :p
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I certainly respect the OP's opinion on the matter. But I have to disagree on the basis that those persons taking "MMA Classes" are probably being introduced to various forms of martial arts. On that alone I disagree with the OP's opinion about persons who take those classes as being somehow less in terms of a martial artists than a person who practices in soley 1 or even 2 martial arts. I think the difference between MMA and the majority of martial arts is, as was mentioned earlier, that it is an introduction to multiple forms. I also think the OP may put too much emphasis on the class as it is taught, rather than on the length of time and experience that the students he has come across have engaged in.
For instance, I myself have taken some (and I treat the word "some" as being an introduction in a short amount of time) Krav Maga instruction as well as Jiu Jitsu instruction (which I am currently in). I personally do not consider myself a badass, and more often than not I am getting my ass handed to me in class (granted the class is filled with people who already have a heavy martial arts background in other forms such as judo and/or wrestling). But despite that daily struggle to overcome my immediate opponent, I am not training for that. Rather I am training for a career that will more likely than not put me in danger (law enforcement), and because I am uncomfortable in a close quarters fight I am training for that should the situation arise (God willing it does not).
I think the intention of a person to learn to defend themselves is a reasonable reaction to the dangers they perceive in the world. Their outward attitude and discipline may not please you as you were taught, but in the end should a conflict ocurr if they are prepared to defend themselves than allow them the comfort of knowing they know something about the chaos that is a fight.
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Jonathan got his spunk back.
Belts and years of competition don't mean much to me; I have to see them apply it.
The guys who come into my gym to train aren't even close to where they imagine themselves. -_-
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How are these people supposed to know that they are being ripped off, when they don't know anything about MMA but still being taught?
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On March 05 2012 09:37 noobcakes wrote:
How are these people supposed to know that they are being ripped off, when they don't know anything about MMA but still being taught?
Usually people will write blogs/reviews about them. Yelp. People from other schools will tryout the open mat and see what's up. Word will get around.
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This blog and the replies I have read in it are pretty stupid.
The only thing people should be arguing about is if a statement like this..:
On March 05 2012 04:22 Jitsu wrote:
Everyone has pet peeves, right?
Many little things bother people for various reasons. To some people, putting you're elbows on the dinner table during meal time is sacrilege. To others, using the lords name in vein is the highest of personal sins.
To me, one simple phrase drives me up the wall, as well as my blood pressure.
"I do MMA."
..Should be able to warrant stupid generalizations like this..:
On March 05 2012 04:22 Jitsu wrote:
"I do MMA."
It's a phrase that has seemingly ingrained itself into our culture. It's a phrase that says so much, and so little, at the same time. It's a phrase that bears no direct comparison to what Mixed Martial Arts actually is.
What does MMA actually mean? MMA is short for Mixed Martial Arts. It's the culmination of knowledge in a person that manifests itself in how they fight, how they train, even so far as how they live. Being a true Mixed Martial Artist is a lifestyle, a subculture. Something that when you go deep enough, it symbolizes you, and what you live for.
So, does putting a disclaimer about /rant blog incoming warrant stupid elitist generalizations to be stated as fact rather than opinion? That's the talking point here, if there even is one, IMO.
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I think looking at it from the point of me being an elitist is pretty stupid generalization in it's own right. I already know I am not the first person to think this way. Saying you go to an MMA School and take classes, and actually study and train in various Martial Arts is NOT the same thing. It's more the spirit of the entire sport and art as a whole.
How about coming to the stupid generalization that I haven't been around in the Martial Arts community in my area, and various areas that I have traveled, to have some idea of what i'm talking about and feel safe to make a blog post about it? How is being a true Mixed Martial Artist not a lifestyle? Is it a job? A hobby? Sure, it can be. It's a lifestyle change, and people who are into MMA Schools or not, i'm sure, can agree on that.
So the fact that you are pointing out that, specifically, is frustrating, not only for the fact that you have taken the entire context of what I was saying and threw it out the window, but because it leads me to believe that you didn't even understand what I was saying.
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On March 05 2012 05:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Really, really dumb post.
Judge each club/school by it (and its instructors) own merits, not by what they call things. Especially when there are sooooo many places out there that have "MMA training" that are extremely legit.
Your anecdotes are ridiculous examples of isolated incidents held up as proof of some overarching theme that just doesnt exist.
There are people trying to cash in on everything that is popular, there always will be. Whether that is McDojo TKD or Karate clubs or MMA gyms ran by the previous owners of said gyms that re-branded in an effort to rake in more money as the tide of popularity ebbed on, it doesnt much matter - bullshit is bullshit regardless of name, painting all MMA gyms as being "most likely not worth your time", is ignorant.
Was going to say something like this.
MMA has actually become it's own martial art.
There are places you specifically can go to train it and say, "I train in MMA". Some of the most young and newest talented fighters in the UFC are actually a product of this. The new generation.
And within traditional martial arts there are tons of McDojos.
Also in regards to what you said above about them teaching watered down version of the art, that's not true. As I said MMA now it's own martial art and a hugely evolving one. The grand father of this would be Bruce Lee, with his Jeet Kune Do. The philosophy of style without style, about using the most effective moves in any given situation. And there's alot of useless moves in alot of arts. MMA has debunked alot of myths about fighting and it's about learning what really works in a fight. It's not a watered down version of anything, the same way Jeet Kune Do isn't. It's it's own evolving martial art that takes the most effective fighting techniques wherever it can find them without discrimination. Combining them all in a way to form a new art, MMA.
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there are 2 different points of view that i hold (done judo for years, bjj on and off to suppliment my judo. done some standup, but bleh, i'm terrible)
first point of view is that if a gym is not putting fighters in cages at local events. they probably aren't worth training with. (from a practical point of view)
the second point of view is just getting people and kids active and doing a sport that they like. If people go to a "MMA" place with no intentions of learning how to fight. but just general fitness and because they enjoy watching UFC.
Thats 100% fine.
thats like playing social soccer. Its fun, it keeps you in shape and you can derp about and not hurt anyone.
The main problem i have is when they ADVERTISE "we teach you how to be safe on da str33t" but they are more of a boxercise club. That shit sucks.
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On March 05 2012 05:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Really, really dumb post.
Judge each club/school by it (and its instructors) own merits, not by what they call things. Especially when there are sooooo many places out there that have "MMA training" that are extremely legit.
Your anecdotes are ridiculous examples of isolated incidents held up as proof of some overarching theme that just doesnt exist.
There are people trying to cash in on everything that is popular, there always will be. Whether that is McDojo TKD or Karate clubs or MMA gyms ran by the previous owners of said gyms that re-branded in an effort to rake in more money as the tide of popularity ebbed on, it doesnt much matter - bullshit is bullshit regardless of name, painting all MMA gyms as being "most likely not worth your time", is ignorant.
This is a really intelligent post.
I myself do Tae Kwon Do, so I have some martial arts training (2nd degree Blackbelt).
I've been to MMA studios/gyms lots of times with a group of my friends, and their particular program is really intense and well formulated.
They do train using methods from a variety of "Mixed Martial Arts". It's as literal as you can get.
And it gives them results. That school teaches many regional title holders.
You can't dismiss that for any reason.
OP is just ignorant.
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jumping on jinros bones because its jinro there theturk?. i dont think you know anything about fighting whatsoever and so by your own "logic" which you love to post on so many things, you have no ground to stand on. if you wish to dispute a point you must actually have evidence to go with it.
where is your many years of training. he claims as such. it seems hes more concerned with the sanctity of the sport more then anything else. hes saying you cant learn true MMA at one place if you really wish to be and he used the word an "artist"
hwaiting jinros real life exp
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