I believe everyone has this feeling about their passion. Is it not great that so many want to share your passion with you... it sounds like you want it all for yourself or at least limit it to the People you believe are "worthy" . The amount of people jumping on the MMA band wagon, is that not ultimately a good thing for the sport?
This may not be the case but you just come of kinda elitist and butt hurt.

Skilledblob

Germany3392 Posts

March 05 2012 17:50 GMT

#42

personally I dont like grappling and ground fights so I stuck with Kickboxing for the last 6 or so years. The lucky thing for me was that the first trainer I had was a really good one who managed to pound every essential technique into me. After that place closed down I was struggling to find another trainer who was as good as my first one.

The biggest reason I see for most martial arts is that they need time and someone who looks after you and watches what you do and corrects you. In my current training place there are around 30 or probably even more people in one 1,5h session for kickboxing and only 1 trainer. The trainer is awesome with muay thai and kickboxing professional experience but there is only so much he can do.

So it pains me every time I see people there who train for over a year and still have problems with basics like how to place your feet when kicking and so on. And even if you try to help and explain to the people they dont take the advice.

So what a good training facility needs is small groups, a competent trainer and some experienced people who can help out with new guys. But try to find a place like that, sadly it's really hard.

MMA I feel is a questionable thing to train. If you really want to make a good MMA fighter you have to start with basics like boxing and kicking which you can learn at any decent kickboxing place. After that you have to continue to ground fighting techniques.

So in order to become decent at MMA you allready have a road you have to go along more or less but I feel that most MMA places tend to teach everything at once and thus produce people who cant do anything right.

and on a side note I think that belt systems are silly. You can do something or you cant, no point bragging about with your silly belt.

xenobarf

Sweden47 Posts

March 05 2012 17:59 GMT

#43

On March 05 2012 08:16 Grumbels wrote:

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Thanks, I actually know nothing about MMA, but I'm kind of interested in it. Didn't know they didn't have tournaments, for some reason I was imagining, like, fight-to-the-death+single-elimination tournaments prospering. :p

It was common back in the day to have single day tournaments, but back then there was no real sanction over it. Japan had a bunch of great ones and they also went on to have great tournaments that spanned over a few months.
Strikeforce recently tried the same style but its been nothing but a disaster with dropouts and a seriously delayed grand finals.

The UFC had tournaments back when it was still run by the Gracies, but today they abide by the athletic commissions rules and as far as I remember they havent had any tournaments since.

Bellator is another tournament running the tournament style championchip alot, they're considered a level bellow everything else though (even though that is all subjective really, the UFC while holding a pretty big monopoly, especially in America, dont necessarily make the best fights imo).

Kh0rne

Australia85 Posts

March 06 2012 00:53 GMT

#44

On March 06 2012 02:59 xenobarf wrote:

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mostly the tournament style kinda sucked if you did not have "balanced" sides.

fighter A would have three 20 minute bouts, have a black eye that he cant see through very well. and has a 5 minute break before the final
fighter B would have three very fast knockouts or submissions with a 30 minute break before the final.

Even if fighter A is an amazing fighter and fighter B just got supreme lucky tonight. Chances are that Fighter B will take home the title. That kinda made for shitty viewing

Renent

Canada302 Posts

March 11 2012 14:43 GMT

#45

On March 05 2012 04:22 Jitsu wrote:

My advice to you? If you want to learn Mixed Martial Arts...learn Mixed Martial Arts. Go out, find a good instructor, and learn the different arts that can combine into something that you can use no matter the situation. Don't go to a school that offers "MMA" and let them take you're money.

Do it right.

~Jitsu

From most of the gyms I have been too they actually usually have independent art nights taught by independent teachers, then they have open mat time and MMA class...

MMA classes/practices is where the combination comes together for example, without cross training how would a wrestler learn to position his head during a single/double leg to avoid a gullitone choke from a grappler. How would the submission artist learn to be more active from the bottom with things like throwing elbows etc. How would a boxer learn to check kicks?
How do you think these MMA gyms developed? With many different people who had different outlooks on the sport coming together to share knowledge and cross train....

And furthermore for everyone saying some are little more than a boxercise class, I would much rather fight someone that can throw a few basic combos but with HUGE cardio then someone who is a little bit more experienced but will gas out asap.

I think one of the main things with martial arts is everyone still has that pride in their own art, or their own dojo, and everything/everyone else is crap, I have a buddy who will only root for a fighter simply because he did karate (he attributes ever victory and knockout to these fighters.) Drives me nuts! Lol that is a bit of a little side rant though.

...didnt realize this thread was a tad old.