On March 03 2012 16:23 ticklishmusic wrote: Wow, that's a terribly douchey move.
I'm pretty much only a kid (freshman in college) wirh no real job experience, but isn't there a way for you to appeal it? As you said, your manager supports you, and I'm sure you have other co-workers who can attest to your situation. I mean, from an outside standpoint, making a sarcastic remark about barely missing a goal is not that big of a deal. I feel like HR should really understand what happened. I mean, a million dollar store missing its target by a tiny bit isn't even that huge of a deal, given how big the company was, right?
You can also try and get some dirt on the person who you think got you fired. At least tell your co-workers what the douche did and make sure their life is hell.
If things don't work out I hope you'll find a new job! I'm sure that you can explain the situation to your future employer, and that they'll be happy to find such an excellent employee like you. It's your old company's loss if they so callously fire a valued employee.
I don't think you understand what proprietary means.
I'm aware of what it means, but the information seems pretty fucking trivial. It's like after you take a test and you bitch about "oh my god, fucking multiple multiple choice, I had the right answer, then I accidentally picked another letter as well." to a friend. Technically it's talking about the test and revealing information about it, but the chances of it affecting the overall performance on the test is approximately... zero.
There are actual huge violations, and there's tiny little slip ups. Big bad fortune 500 company shouldn't be such a whiny bitch about such a tiny mistake.
You should choose your facebook friends better in the future. Or hide what certain people can see. I've deleted my facebook page about two years ago and havn't been happier since.
On March 03 2012 16:23 ticklishmusic wrote: Wow, that's a terribly douchey move.
I'm pretty much only a kid (freshman in college) wirh no real job experience, but isn't there a way for you to appeal it? As you said, your manager supports you, and I'm sure you have other co-workers who can attest to your situation. I mean, from an outside standpoint, making a sarcastic remark about barely missing a goal is not that big of a deal. I feel like HR should really understand what happened. I mean, a million dollar store missing its target by a tiny bit isn't even that huge of a deal, given how big the company was, right?
You can also try and get some dirt on the person who you think got you fired. At least tell your co-workers what the douche did and make sure their life is hell.
If things don't work out I hope you'll find a new job! I'm sure that you can explain the situation to your future employer, and that they'll be happy to find such an excellent employee like you. It's your old company's loss if they so callously fire a valued employee.
I don't think you understand what proprietary means.
I'm aware of what it means, but the information seems pretty fucking trivial. It's like after you take a test and you bitch about "oh my god, fucking multiple multiple choice, I had the right answer, then I accidentally picked another letter as well." to a friend. Technically it's talking about the test and revealing information about it, but the chances of it affecting the overall performance on the test is approximately... zero.
There are actual huge violations, and there's tiny little slip ups. Big bad fortune 500 company shouldn't be such a whiny bitch about such a tiny mistake.
It seems trivial because you're a naive college freshman.
It's blabbing about internal sales figures that aren't supposed to be public. That reveals information to rival companies and potential customers and clients that isn't positive. It's not a stupid policy and it's certainly one that is easy to adhere to
That's pretty rough. It looks like you accept that it got you fired but not HOW it got you fired. I'd be fairly upset if somebody I trusted reported me as well. It's the right decision but they also could have talked to you to remove it first... ah well
On March 03 2012 16:23 ticklishmusic wrote: Wow, that's a terribly douchey move.
I'm pretty much only a kid (freshman in college) wirh no real job experience, but isn't there a way for you to appeal it? As you said, your manager supports you, and I'm sure you have other co-workers who can attest to your situation. I mean, from an outside standpoint, making a sarcastic remark about barely missing a goal is not that big of a deal. I feel like HR should really understand what happened. I mean, a million dollar store missing its target by a tiny bit isn't even that huge of a deal, given how big the company was, right?
You can also try and get some dirt on the person who you think got you fired. At least tell your co-workers what the douche did and make sure their life is hell.
If things don't work out I hope you'll find a new job! I'm sure that you can explain the situation to your future employer, and that they'll be happy to find such an excellent employee like you. It's your old company's loss if they so callously fire a valued employee.
I don't think you understand what proprietary means.
I'm aware of what it means, but the information seems pretty fucking trivial. It's like after you take a test and you bitch about "oh my god, fucking multiple multiple choice, I had the right answer, then I accidentally picked another letter as well." to a friend. Technically it's talking about the test and revealing information about it, but the chances of it affecting the overall performance on the test is approximately... zero.
There are actual huge violations, and there's tiny little slip ups. Big bad fortune 500 company shouldn't be such a whiny bitch about such a tiny mistake.
It seems trivial because you're a naive college freshman.
It's blabbing about internal sales figures that aren't supposed to be public. That reveals information to rival companies and potential customers and clients that isn't positive. It's not a stupid policy and it's certainly one that is easy to adhere to
Sounds like OP is in retail, so if I'm an analyst at a hedge fund / trading shop, I now have a data point on a particular retail chain's store revenue. I can extrapolate that, using national historic figures of retail sales across the country, to estimate what that company's FY revenue will be. If this is significantly above or below projections, I now have a market dislocation that I can exploit. In order to prevent such scenarios, public companies have very strict financial disclosure rules.
As many have said, the violation itself is quite bad, and the punishment is, in my view, just. I do however also agree that it sucks being backstabbed. It's why I consider every facet of my internet life to be public now.
Made a facebook due to peer pressure like five to six years ago, I still regret it like hell. Want to erase the damn thing but can't because I forgot the password for it (to be honest there is no information besides which school I went to, but I have some paranoia of facebook machinry somehow tracking my behaviour xD)
On March 03 2012 16:23 ticklishmusic wrote: Wow, that's a terribly douchey move.
I'm pretty much only a kid (freshman in college) wirh no real job experience, but isn't there a way for you to appeal it? As you said, your manager supports you, and I'm sure you have other co-workers who can attest to your situation. I mean, from an outside standpoint, making a sarcastic remark about barely missing a goal is not that big of a deal. I feel like HR should really understand what happened. I mean, a million dollar store missing its target by a tiny bit isn't even that huge of a deal, given how big the company was, right?
You can also try and get some dirt on the person who you think got you fired. At least tell your co-workers what the douche did and make sure their life is hell.
If things don't work out I hope you'll find a new job! I'm sure that you can explain the situation to your future employer, and that they'll be happy to find such an excellent employee like you. It's your old company's loss if they so callously fire a valued employee.
I don't think you understand what proprietary means.
I'm aware of what it means, but the information seems pretty fucking trivial. It's like after you take a test and you bitch about "oh my god, fucking multiple multiple choice, I had the right answer, then I accidentally picked another letter as well." to a friend. Technically it's talking about the test and revealing information about it, but the chances of it affecting the overall performance on the test is approximately... zero.
There are actual huge violations, and there's tiny little slip ups. Big bad fortune 500 company shouldn't be such a whiny bitch about such a tiny mistake.
It seems trivial because you're a naive college freshman.
It's blabbing about internal sales figures that aren't supposed to be public. That reveals information to rival companies and potential customers and clients that isn't positive. It's not a stupid policy and it's certainly one that is easy to adhere to
Sounds like OP is in retail, so if I'm an analyst at a hedge fund / trading shop, I now have a data point on a particular retail chain's store revenue. I can extrapolate that, using national historic figures of retail sales across the country, to estimate what that company's FY revenue will be. If this is significantly above or below projections, I now have a market dislocation that I can exploit. In order to prevent such scenarios, public companies have very strict financial disclosure rules.
As many have said, the violation itself is quite bad, and the punishment is, in my view, just. I do however also agree that it sucks being backstabbed. It's why I consider every facet of my internet life to be public now.
Yeah, the betrayal is definitely the real kick in the ass. If I were in her situation, I would be furious even knowing (as she clearly does) that I had violated a set-in-stone company policy.
On March 03 2012 08:12 Porcelain wrote: Moral of the story:
Don't add people on any social networking website that are involved in your professional life.
Even if you think you can trust them, you simply can't. There are some exceptions, but those people are extremely rare. It's not worth the risk.
That's the moral of the story?
Let me give an example of what I'm getting at: Bob and I work at XYZ Corp., a prominent giraffe manufacturing company based in Odessa, TX.
Bob: Hey.
Me: Hey Bob, how's it going?
Bob: Mr. Pickles [our boss] was giving me a hard time today because I released 200 live rabbits into the office again.
Me: Haha, that Mr. Pickles! He's a real piece of shit!
Then Bob tells Mr. Pickles what I said. Then I'm like "Nuh-uh, I didn't say that, Bob is a liar.", then Bob pulls out a tape recorder. I'm like "Oh shit, he recorded the convo", and I laugh nervously and say "Who uses cassette tapes these days!?" and he presses play. At first, he plays a recording of him and his wife having sex, which causes him significant embarrassment, but he fast-forwards to the part where I called Mr. Pickles "a piece of shit". Then I'm like "BOB HOW DARE YOU. YOU BETRAYED ME."
Then someone asks me "What did you learn from that experience?" and I go "Never trust people."
Did I learn the correct lesson? Or perhaps I should learn not to do things that are clearly against company policy?
On March 03 2012 08:12 Porcelain wrote: Moral of the story:
Don't add people on any social networking website that are involved in your professional life.
Even if you think you can trust them, you simply can't. There are some exceptions, but those people are extremely rare. It's not worth the risk.
That's the moral of the story?
Let me give an example of what I'm getting at: Bob and I work at XYZ Corp., a prominent giraffe manufacturing company based in Odessa, TX.
Bob: Hey.
Me: Hey Bob, how's it going?
Bob: Mr. Pickles [our boss] was giving me a hard time today because I released 200 live rabbits into the office again.
Me: Haha, that Mr. Pickles! He's a real piece of shit!
Then Bob tells Mr. Pickles what I said. Then I'm like "Nuh-uh, I didn't say that, Bob is a liar.", then Bob pulls out a tape recorder. I'm like "Oh shit, he recorded the convo", and I laugh nervously and say "Who uses cassette tapes these days!?" and he presses play. At first, he plays a recording of him and his wife having sex, which causes him significant embarrassment, but he fast-forwards to the part where I called Mr. Pickles "a piece of shit". Then I'm like "BOB HOW DARE YOU. YOU BETRAYED ME."
Then someone asks me "What did you learn from that experience?" and I go "Never trust people."
Did I learn the correct lesson? Or perhaps I should learn not to do things that are clearly against company policy?
Hate the fact all my friends on facebook post 99% useless shit that has nothing to do with anything and why the hell would you surf FB while working anyways kinda annoys me when people get fired and it was their faulth and they try get sympathy oh well life sometimes gives more lemons.
Proud member of the " does not have a facebook and never will " club.
The whole system seems useless to me.
Anyways I don't feel bad for you for reasons already stated in the thread many times, good luck and I hope you don't repeat the same mistakes in the future.
On March 03 2012 16:23 ticklishmusic wrote: Wow, that's a terribly douchey move.
I'm pretty much only a kid (freshman in college) wirh no real job experience, but isn't there a way for you to appeal it? As you said, your manager supports you, and I'm sure you have other co-workers who can attest to your situation. I mean, from an outside standpoint, making a sarcastic remark about barely missing a goal is not that big of a deal. I feel like HR should really understand what happened. I mean, a million dollar store missing its target by a tiny bit isn't even that huge of a deal, given how big the company was, right?
You can also try and get some dirt on the person who you think got you fired. At least tell your co-workers what the douche did and make sure their life is hell.
If things don't work out I hope you'll find a new job! I'm sure that you can explain the situation to your future employer, and that they'll be happy to find such an excellent employee like you. It's your old company's loss if they so callously fire a valued employee.
I don't think you understand what proprietary means.
I'm aware of what it means, but the information seems pretty fucking trivial. It's like after you take a test and you bitch about "oh my god, fucking multiple multiple choice, I had the right answer, then I accidentally picked another letter as well." to a friend. Technically it's talking about the test and revealing information about it, but the chances of it affecting the overall performance on the test is approximately... zero.
There are actual huge violations, and there's tiny little slip ups. Big bad fortune 500 company shouldn't be such a whiny bitch about such a tiny mistake.
It seems trivial because you're a naive college freshman.
It's blabbing about internal sales figures that aren't supposed to be public. That reveals information to rival companies and potential customers and clients that isn't positive. It's not a stupid policy and it's certainly one that is easy to adhere to
Sounds like OP is in retail, so if I'm an analyst at a hedge fund / trading shop, I now have a data point on a particular retail chain's store revenue. I can extrapolate that, using national historic figures of retail sales across the country, to estimate what that company's FY revenue will be. If this is significantly above or below projections, I now have a market dislocation that I can exploit. In order to prevent such scenarios, public companies have very strict financial disclosure rules.
As many have said, the violation itself is quite bad, and the punishment is, in my view, just. I do however also agree that it sucks being backstabbed. It's why I consider every facet of my internet life to be public now.
You'd have no way of knowing if the information was accurate or not, even if the information was accessible to any random person. Which it sounds like it wasn't, otherwise friending her collegue wouldn't be an issue.
Even after reading your explanation this doesn't sound like a big deal at all. I mean, I can appreciate the fact that it's going to have consequences but I don't feel any more understanding towards those who come up and enforce the policy.
On March 04 2012 08:23 Mawi wrote: Hate the fact all my friends on facebook post 99% useless shit that has nothing to do with anything and why the hell would you surf FB while working anyways kinda annoys me when people get fired and it was their faulth and they try get sympathy oh well life sometimes gives more lemons.
Yeah I work for an Intelligence unit. My ass would get in trouble if I browsed Facebook at work.
I've been looking at Facebook a lot out of boredom at home, but there's nothing important on that website. I don't mind reading the random pointless posts my friends list people post. I sometimes contribute to the "pointless" posts.
Usually I'll just post a small comment for the day. The boss of the school I'm attending right now acknowledges Facebook. He made an analogy of Facebook being basically our online journals that we constantly update.
On March 03 2012 18:34 EvilTeletubby wrote: Actually, I make it a point not to... The only interactions I've ever had with facebook is... *drumroll* making a dummy account to intentionally catch an employee doing they shouldn't be doing (she was caught anyhow, but I just wanted to test a theory and I was 100% correct).
If you ever wondered how management spends their free time ... well, there ya go. For science, clearly.
Damn right. Emphasis on free time though, I did this while at home out of curiosity. Took a grand total of less than 5 minutes (most of that time was spent making the dummy account).
On March 03 2012 18:34 EvilTeletubby wrote: Actually, I make it a point not to... The only interactions I've ever had with facebook is... *drumroll* making a dummy account to intentionally catch an employee doing they shouldn't be doing (she was caught anyhow, but I just wanted to test a theory and I was 100% correct).
If you ever wondered how management spends their free time ... well, there ya go. For science, clearly.
Damn right. Emphasis on free time though, I did this while at home out of curiosity. Took a grand total of less than 5 minutes (most of that time was spent making the dummy account).
Fun you do the same job in your company and on this website. This must be a calling.
the fact that most people have no control over their facebook usage is pretty sad..the amount of people coming out of the woodwork proud they don't have one is staggering. there's seriously no reason to have or not have one, but I find that not having an account on facebook is more of a hindrance than a help. privacy concerns are retarded because you have absolute control of what you choose to let facebook know.
I also can't believe OP didn't realize that she shouldn't be disclosing private company information online. you learned the wrong lessons!
On March 03 2012 15:08 o[twist] wrote: i don't comment on these sorts of things often, i just thought i would note my consistent surprise at the extent to which TLers assume that large entities do the things they do for good reasons.
It's not just TL, this misguided sympathy for businesses is quite a social trend these days, especially in the US.
It's not sympathy for the business. It's knowing that the business can get into significant legal trouble if employees release details relating to things like earnings reports that aren't public information.
See, considering interests of a business you're not even a part of, legal consequences they might have or the damage they might have suffered is sympathy.
I don't think anyone disagrees with the rational premise of the situation. I'm talking about the personal angle a lot of people take, the tone in which they say/write it. The subtle vibe in this thread has pretty much been "you stupid idiot, you deserved it and you better have learned your lesson" since page 1.
......... I still fail to see how that is in any way whatsoever sympathy for the business? Yes, a few of us brought it up but most are referring to her actions and how she knew the consequences but did it anyways based on (misplaced) trust.
I think they're two completely different things you're trying to lump together. -_-
On March 03 2012 18:34 Animzor wrote: Why do adults have Facebook? That is the question.
Actually, I make it a point not to... The only interactions I've ever had with facebook is... *drumroll* making a dummy account to intentionally catch an employee doing they shouldn't be doing (she was caught anyhow, but I just wanted to test a theory and I was 100% correct).
Seriously, there is like NO FUCKING REASON to have a facebook (or at least, to put ANYTHING that might come back to haunt you later on it).
Really?
I actually have friends and family that live out of state that I like to keep in touch with... I moved to Ohio last year after living in FL for 21 years. It's isolating here.
Perhaps you don't have many friends/family/etc that you feel the need to keep up with? I don't know. But saying there's no reason to have a facebook is ridiculous. You just have to use it properly.
Someone else (a few pages ago, and one of the few TLers that actually READ my freakin' post) mentioned that I'm not looking for sympathy.
I'm just pissed someone I trusted betrayed me, and it's simply infuriating. But it's totally my fault and I know that. I made the post to remind those who may be in a similar position (getting careless with co-workers on facebook) that they need to be careful and not take such a huge risk.
That's it.
Also, my facebook is completely private and can only be viewed by friends. Which are only people that I know personally. The comments like that hedge fund manager post (?) are irrelevant because my facebook isn't public. This girl was the first co-worker I've ever actually added, ever. So I thought I'd remind people out there not to get careless and make the same mistake.
I feel for you Porcelain. Shitty, shitty way to get fired, despite the rationale behind it.
To all of you almost giddily pointing fingers and saying "Well she DESERVED it, look, look, she knew about proprietary information" have forgotten what its like to be a human being and make a very simple mistake. Jesus. Are you really so straight edge and "by the book" that you not only look over your shoulder all the time for any possible error, you expect everyone does the same?
Some empathy here, is what I'm talking about. This is a shitty time to lose a job, and a cunt of a co-worker who lost it for her. It's a very harsh punishment for what was said. And this is a good Goddamn time to be an employer. They can have these zero tolerance rules because for anyone they kick out (or threaten to) there's a dozen people knocking down their doors for a job. So maybe don't feel as much for the big company as you seem to.
Anyway Porc, that blows. Good luck, eh? And if you spend much time on TL, it's generally a great community to kick around with. I know I did when i was unemployed for a couple months.
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