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On March 05 2012 15:49 Porcelain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 18:34 EvilTeletubby wrote:On March 03 2012 18:21 Talin wrote:On March 03 2012 17:28 remedium wrote:On March 03 2012 17:23 Talin wrote:On March 03 2012 15:08 o[twist] wrote:
i don't comment on these sorts of things often, i just thought i would note my consistent surprise at the extent to which TLers assume that large entities do the things they do for good reasons. It's not just TL, this misguided sympathy for businesses is quite a social trend these days, especially in the US. It's not sympathy for the business. It's knowing that the business can get into significant legal trouble if employees release details relating to things like earnings reports that aren't public information. See, considering interests of a business you're not even a part of, legal consequences they might have or the damage they might have suffered is sympathy. I don't think anyone disagrees with the rational premise of the situation. I'm talking about the personal angle a lot of people take, the tone in which they say/write it. The subtle vibe in this thread has pretty much been "you stupid idiot, you deserved it and you better have learned your lesson" since page 1. ......... I still fail to see how that is in any way whatsoever sympathy for the business? Yes, a few of us brought it up but most are referring to her actions and how she knew the consequences but did it anyways based on (misplaced) trust. I think they're two completely different things you're trying to lump together. -_- On March 03 2012 18:34 Animzor wrote:
Why do adults have Facebook? That is the question. Actually, I make it a point not to... The only interactions I've ever had with facebook is... *drumroll* making a dummy account to intentionally catch an employee doing they shouldn't be doing (she was caught anyhow, but I just wanted to test a theory and I was 100% correct). Seriously, there is like NO FUCKING REASON to have a facebook (or at least, to put ANYTHING that might come back to haunt you later on it). Really? I actually have friends and family that live out of state that I like to keep in touch with... I moved to Ohio last year after living in FL for 21 years. It's isolating here. Perhaps you don't have many friends/family/etc that you feel the need to keep up with? I don't know. But saying there's no reason to have a facebook is ridiculous. You just have to use it properly.  Someone else (a few pages ago, and one of the few TLers that actually READ my freakin' post) mentioned that I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm just pissed someone I trusted betrayed me, and it's simply infuriating. But it's totally my fault and I know that. I made the post to remind those who may be in a similar position (getting careless with co-workers on facebook) that they need to be careful and not take such a huge risk. That's it. Also, my facebook is completely private and can only be viewed by friends. Which are only people that I know personally. The comments like that hedge fund manager post (?) are irrelevant because my facebook isn't public. This girl was the first co-worker I've ever actually added, ever. So I thought I'd remind people out there not to get careless and make the same mistake.
Hey Porcelain, thanks for sharing and I guess you needed to get off your chest; for me the main thing I take out of it, isn't the entire FB thingy, obviously you knew what you doing and the risk/consequences, but you trusted that backstabbing bitch and I'm sure that is what really gets to you.
As someone who has worked in some very politically charged corporate settings, I'd say the real lesson here isn't the obvious one about what is the nature of FB and disclosing company info - I mean we all get that - it is a matter of actually having blurred the lines between friends and work.
I've also come to learn the hard way, there are very very few true friends in the place that you work, simply because everyone has their own expectations and when there is career and financial rewards involved, that usually will supersede most everything else. There are very few people who put loyalty first in front of career when you made your friendship at work. It isn't to say that I haven't made some good friends through work, but we've also shared a lot of time outside of work.
I really sympathize for you, but it also seems that you are really great at your job, and the reality is, most people just go through the motions, I have no doubt that you will be able to rock your next job and this is a lesson better learned now than when you're about to be VP. =)
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I work at an adult club. I, as well as other employees that have the same job title, are highly experienced in our field. Thus, we are employed within the confines of a famous brand of clubs. Given this, one of our job functions is to find which employees we are compatible with, add them to Facebook, other social media networks, get their phone numbers, and interact as if we are friends with said employees. We're to find out things about them, and observe them. If their conduct, habits, behaviors, or otherwise are not up to par, we are obligated by contract to report them and keep logs of our findings strictly to and for specific superiors. One of the basic observations is to watch their social media networks, and what they post. Granted, I live in a state with labor laws equivalent to a third world country. My point there is that it's strictly business, so I'd imagine small operations like mine exist on a more competent and regular level in states with genuinely protective labor laws.
Moral of the story: Same as yours. Never trust someone you work with past a certain degree of confidence.
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On March 03 2012 09:15 Porcelain wrote:
My district manager cried when she gave me the termination letter. I am valued. I know this through feedback and reviews. I was one of the best actually. It's extremely unfortunate, but they take this really seriously. Some woman in HR that I've never heard of/met doesn't realize who she's forcing my DM to terminate. I'm just a number to them, because of how large the company is.
Your story is regrettable, and it doesn't help that the retail world can be pretty unforgiving.
I work in an industry (animation production, as a digital lighter) where confidentiality is taken very seriously, but at the same time there are a lot of young employees who don't really understand. The worst case I've ever heard of was someone who was walked out of the workplace by FBI agents, but there are many more occasional terminations and subsequent letters sent out reminding everyone to avoid talking about work on the Internet or elsewhere.
If one's going to talk about work in public, one has to take great care to understand exactly what the confidentiality concerns of the employer are and remain within that. It's tough to do, and in most cases the best thing to do is just not talk about work at all. I have a number of Twitter followers based on having written a commonly-used textbook in the field, so I do talk about the nature of my work sometimes, but I don't name clients, vendors, or talk about details of our business. The result is that there's nothing there with which my employer would take issue. I act as though they're reading it actively, though they're probably not.
Anyway, lesson learned. I'm so sorry that you had to go through this!!
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That's regrettable Porc, but that's also the reason why I don't post anything related to work unless I can read it pretending to be my boss/co-worker and absolutely find no fault with what I just posted.
Sometimes the corporate ladder can be a bitch and there will be people who would backstab you just to get ahead in the rat race. Take it as a lesson and come out smarter, stronger and don't make the same mistakes again.
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On March 03 2012 08:19 TidusX.Yuna wrote:
You shouldn't be saying anything incriminating at all. How much self control does it honestly take to not post that stupid status.
When this country was ruled by the actual government, we had this thing called "freedom of speech", where you were free to say whatever the fuck you wanted in your free time. Wasn't that awesome? Now it's "I'm sorry, you have the wrong opinion so you don't deserve to have money to eat. Please die." You're right though, since it's now common place that you're employer wants to have complete control of your life you should try to not publically say or do anything that could lead to you being fired.
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On March 05 2012 18:36 Game wrote:
I work at an adult club. I, as well as other employees that have the same job title, are highly experienced in our field. Thus, we are employed within the confines of a famous brand of clubs. Given this, one of our job functions is to find which employees we are compatible with, add them to Facebook, other social media networks, get their phone numbers, and interact as if we are friends with said employees. We're to find out things about them, and observe them. If their conduct, habits, behaviors, or otherwise are not up to par, we are obligated by contract to report them and keep logs of our findings strictly to and for specific superiors. One of the basic observations is to watch their social media networks, and what they post. Granted, I live in a state with labor laws equivalent to a third world country. My point there is that it's strictly business, so I'd imagine small operations like mine exist on a more competent and regular level in states with genuinely protective labor laws.
Moral of the story: Same as yours. Never trust someone you work with past a certain degree of confidence.
Pretty sure the only thing you could get them in any trouble for is if they reveal company secrets, no? As far as I know there's already an act that prohibits employers from being able to punish an employee for what they do in their personal life online unless they are specifically giving out private details about their company?
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it's usually better to write that kind of shit in a diary instead of airing your dirty laundry on the internet for all to see
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On March 06 2012 02:46 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:36 Game wrote:
I work at an adult club. I, as well as other employees that have the same job title, are highly experienced in our field. Thus, we are employed within the confines of a famous brand of clubs. Given this, one of our job functions is to find which employees we are compatible with, add them to Facebook, other social media networks, get their phone numbers, and interact as if we are friends with said employees. We're to find out things about them, and observe them. If their conduct, habits, behaviors, or otherwise are not up to par, we are obligated by contract to report them and keep logs of our findings strictly to and for specific superiors. One of the basic observations is to watch their social media networks, and what they post. Granted, I live in a state with labor laws equivalent to a third world country. My point there is that it's strictly business, so I'd imagine small operations like mine exist on a more competent and regular level in states with genuinely protective labor laws.
Moral of the story: Same as yours. Never trust someone you work with past a certain degree of confidence. Pretty sure the only thing you could get them in any trouble for is if they reveal company secrets, no? As far as I know there's already an act that prohibits employers from being able to punish an employee for what they do in their personal life online unless they are specifically giving out private details about their company?
employers in ohio can fire you for any/no reason at all as far as i know - so it doesn't matter
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On March 05 2012 18:36 Game wrote:
I work at an adult club. I, as well as other employees that have the same job title, are highly experienced in our field. Thus, we are employed within the confines of a famous brand of clubs. Given this, one of our job functions is to find which employees we are compatible with, add them to Facebook, other social media networks, get their phone numbers, and interact as if we are friends with said employees. We're to find out things about them, and observe them. If their conduct, habits, behaviors, or otherwise are not up to par, we are obligated by contract to report them and keep logs of our findings strictly to and for specific superiors. One of the basic observations is to watch their social media networks, and what they post. Granted, I live in a state with labor laws equivalent to a third world country. My point there is that it's strictly business, so I'd imagine small operations like mine exist on a more competent and regular level in states with genuinely protective labor laws.
Moral of the story: Same as yours. Never trust someone you work with past a certain degree of confidence.
If strip clubs are doing this, what is everyone else doing!?
Mind blown.
Question for the OP, were you outright fired for this? Was this one of several issues that you'd had at work?
It seems really odd that after your having been "with this corporation for a long time and I'm a valued employee", that you'd be canned without a warning or something like that.
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On March 06 2012 03:57 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:36 Game wrote:
I work at an adult club. I, as well as other employees that have the same job title, are highly experienced in our field. Thus, we are employed within the confines of a famous brand of clubs. Given this, one of our job functions is to find which employees we are compatible with, add them to Facebook, other social media networks, get their phone numbers, and interact as if we are friends with said employees. We're to find out things about them, and observe them. If their conduct, habits, behaviors, or otherwise are not up to par, we are obligated by contract to report them and keep logs of our findings strictly to and for specific superiors. One of the basic observations is to watch their social media networks, and what they post. Granted, I live in a state with labor laws equivalent to a third world country. My point there is that it's strictly business, so I'd imagine small operations like mine exist on a more competent and regular level in states with genuinely protective labor laws.
Moral of the story: Same as yours. Never trust someone you work with past a certain degree of confidence. If strip clubs are doing this, what is everyone else doing!? Mind blown.
Don't trust anything that Game says, should be common knowledge by now lol
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On March 03 2012 09:29 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 09:03 Soleron wrote:On March 03 2012 08:44 Soleron wrote:
I went to look at US law so you could possibly appeal but it looks like workers don't get rights in your country (most states). Wow. Hm? Not sure where you were looking, workers are afforded a LOT of rights and protections here (too many sometimes IMO, but I just say that because I'm often on the other side of it - but I would rather have the individual over protected than under protected). I was looking at "right to work" laws. Some of the arguments against these laws claim people can just be fired for any reason. Is that an exaggeration? Are there government-mandated appeal options against firing? Are there reasons one cannot be fired pertaining to outside of job speech? Mmm... Yes and No. Many places do indeed have guidelines that allow for easy dismissal of an employee at any time, but employees are never going to fired for 'any reason' due to how unemployment compensation works. Long story short, if you get fired from your job, you have the right to request unemployment pay (which is state run but ultimately the money pool comes from the companies themselves, so it is in the company's best interest to have as few people paid unemployment as possible). If you're granted unemployment pay, the company then has an opportunity to demonstrate that you do not qualify for the pay, typically due to gross misconduct of company policies or other legal violations, and can request a reversal of benefits. If the ex-employee is still granted unemployment by the state, the company can decide to appeal. This will lead to a hearing with the ex-employee and representatives for the company, which functions much like a court trial (both sides present evidence, make their statements, etc.). Once the hearing is over, the arbitrator for the state makes their judgement. An ex-employee could take it beyond just unemployment benefits, and actually sue the company for lost wages and compensation if they were falsely terminated. This can end up costing a company quite a bit of money obviously, both in the actual compensation to the employee and in lawyer costs. It might be technically easy to go through the act of firing someone, but I can assure you it's not simply done without good, justifiable, legal reasons due to the costs to the company if they're found to be in the wrong.
To go back to an issue from a few pages ago; if she works for a publically traded company and the "million dollar store mark" was a major initiative, posting this before the company has officially released information about it could be construed as insider trading. Which, as I'm sure you know, is really bad.
I don't know what you're on about in the last few pages about not having a facebook. (sorry this makes you sound like an 80 year old grandpa :D) For those of us under the age of 24-25 not having a facebook is kind of like going into social isolation. I just graduated college, and I can tell you that in the last few years the only way I've recieved party invitations is through facebook. (and yes, I did get invited to parties -.-) It's convinient, it's fast, everyone is on it.
Real moral of this story is, if you company has a social networking HR policy make sure you read it and follow it. These things are serious business. I know the OP claims that this girl was out to get her, but releasing that kind of information is a major deal. They were well within their right to fire her.
Still it sucks you lost your job, but hopefully you learned some things from this experience the same things don't happen to you again in the future. :/
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On March 05 2012 15:49 Porcelain wrote:Really? I actually have friends and family that live out of state that I like to keep in touch with... I moved to Ohio last year after living in FL for 21 years. It's isolating here. Perhaps you don't have many friends/family/etc that you feel the need to keep up with? I don't know. But saying there's no reason to have a facebook is ridiculous. You just have to use it properly.
Reading this statement about facebook just sounds so , so wrong to me, but I guess nowadays I am the vast minority with my opinion:
Of course you can stay in touch with family and friends without facebook. Even if fb makes it a little easier,
I think an email, a letter or a phone call from a beloved person will be way more appreciated than some random facebook post.
Im sorry you got betrayed in such a way and I didnt want to comment otherwise on that situation, because there is clearly nothing I can say you dont already know. Good Luck in finding a new job! Maybe it will be an even better one than the old one , who knows?
If one door closes.
Oh and @TheToast
I am below 25 years old, going to college(sort of) and I dont feel socially isolated in any way.
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On March 06 2012 02:46 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:36 Game wrote:
I work at an adult club. I, as well as other employees that have the same job title, are highly experienced in our field. Thus, we are employed within the confines of a famous brand of clubs. Given this, one of our job functions is to find which employees we are compatible with, add them to Facebook, other social media networks, get their phone numbers, and interact as if we are friends with said employees. We're to find out things about them, and observe them. If their conduct, habits, behaviors, or otherwise are not up to par, we are obligated by contract to report them and keep logs of our findings strictly to and for specific superiors. One of the basic observations is to watch their social media networks, and what they post. Granted, I live in a state with labor laws equivalent to a third world country. My point there is that it's strictly business, so I'd imagine small operations like mine exist on a more competent and regular level in states with genuinely protective labor laws.
Moral of the story: Same as yours. Never trust someone you work with past a certain degree of confidence. Pretty sure the only thing you could get them in any trouble for is if they reveal company secrets, no? As far as I know there's already an act that prohibits employers from being able to punish an employee for what they do in their personal life online unless they are specifically giving out private details about their company?
Highlighted in my quoted text.
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