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MVP > col .... so idk how... what.. .??????
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On February 19 2012 08:55 Northern_iight wrote:
well to be honest no foreign teams have any achievements to show ever since koreans started to attend foreign tournaments. But having players with potential still makes a team look/and is dangerous.
this this line up I want to see complexity play a team league without MVP. Minigun has some really exciting games last time against empire. Hope I see more of that in the future.
Mouz ?
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On February 19 2012 09:39 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:35 farvacola wrote:On February 19 2012 08:31 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:22 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:15 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:07 reki- wrote:
Sorry but other than killer and heart i don't see anyone particularly dangerous or MLG/tournament winning material : ( On February 19 2012 08:08 hunts wrote:
Complexity is not scary their foreign players aren't even good by foreigner standards.. MVP however is now very scary with the addition of nada, since thru the partnership this is essentially MVP getting the players but COL paying for it and getting the tag. Give the team abit of hope yeah, why everyone so negative all the time I tried to be hopeful for complexity, I was a huge fan of their WoW division back when MLG had WoW. But I've been severely dissapointed with everything they've done in SC2, and the level of players they've picked up. I really can't see them accomplishing much, and this korean pickup feels like a last ditch effort at going "hey guys we just bought some actual players, please pay attention to us!" But, I do hope nada does very well, he's just too awesome. Minigun has taken out Violet and Beastyqt QXC has taken out many top Korean players Killer is making a comeback NaDa just needs to find his game, Heart took out Bomber How is that not an achievement? They have just picked up nada heart and killer. I don't remember seeing minigun or QXC in any tournamennt in the past 6 or so months. And as I said, but goswser seems to have not read since he wants to defend his team (understandable, though reading is nice) I was a big fan of complexity in wow, so I want them to do well and not suck. I've just been extremely dissapointed with basically everything they've done in SC2, with the way they chose to recruit lower level players and hope to make them good, but not being able to do so. Anyway I hope the new korean players do well, and maybe they'll teach their foreign players to improve as well. Well at the very least I know QXC played at an IEM event, and its pretty much a uniform opinion of anyone who follows foreigners that once out of school and full time he will be taking out Code S'ers left and right. Haters gonna hate bro. I've never heard anyone say that outside of like the QXC fanclub Edit: I think Nada, Heart and Killer are great and I don't have anything against QXC, but I don't see why anyone would think he's going to be Code S level.
The last time he practiced in Korea he beat gumiho in team league and all killed IM.
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qxc is committing to eSports full time after graduating this spring. Fully expect the guy to win a major by end of this year.
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Qxc probably has one of the highest potentials in the sc2 scene atm. He remains competitive with a minor amount of practice.
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United States10141 Posts
Sick. Now only if Destiny signs with this team ^.^
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Okay, so I see that some people do have high expectations for QXC and that's good. Like I said I don't have anything against him and hopefully he does perform well. I'm sure at the very least he'll get better, but people were saying similar things about Stephano being great but not practicing much, but his going full time hasn't had a really noticeable impact yet. So I wouldn't just take it for granted either.
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NaDa will always be my favorite player. Gogo!
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Complexity's foreigners are pretty good but not at the top of the list (Trimaster? Seriously? Only achievement was beating IdrA once), and the Koreans will hopefully make the team perform better.
MVP still >>>> Complexity, hands down.
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Well.. Trimaster is just a one-hit wonder IMO.
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On February 19 2012 08:25 goswser wrote:
People who want to hate will ignore achievements and potential, and just spout whatever negative thoughts are first to come into their mind.
I can't think of another pro who would be better suited to say that.
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Complexity definitely got stronger, but I still think theyre still 2nd tier. I love the players on their team like Catz, Minigun, and QXC, but they don't get results compare to other teams. I'm still not sold that NaDa is that great.
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On February 19 2012 09:39 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:35 farvacola wrote:On February 19 2012 08:31 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:22 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:15 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:07 reki- wrote:
Sorry but other than killer and heart i don't see anyone particularly dangerous or MLG/tournament winning material : ( On February 19 2012 08:08 hunts wrote:
Complexity is not scary their foreign players aren't even good by foreigner standards.. MVP however is now very scary with the addition of nada, since thru the partnership this is essentially MVP getting the players but COL paying for it and getting the tag. Give the team abit of hope yeah, why everyone so negative all the time I tried to be hopeful for complexity, I was a huge fan of their WoW division back when MLG had WoW. But I've been severely dissapointed with everything they've done in SC2, and the level of players they've picked up. I really can't see them accomplishing much, and this korean pickup feels like a last ditch effort at going "hey guys we just bought some actual players, please pay attention to us!" But, I do hope nada does very well, he's just too awesome. Minigun has taken out Violet and Beastyqt QXC has taken out many top Korean players Killer is making a comeback NaDa just needs to find his game, Heart took out Bomber How is that not an achievement? They have just picked up nada heart and killer. I don't remember seeing minigun or QXC in any tournamennt in the past 6 or so months. And as I said, but goswser seems to have not read since he wants to defend his team (understandable, though reading is nice) I was a big fan of complexity in wow, so I want them to do well and not suck. I've just been extremely dissapointed with basically everything they've done in SC2, with the way they chose to recruit lower level players and hope to make them good, but not being able to do so. Anyway I hope the new korean players do well, and maybe they'll teach their foreign players to improve as well. Well at the very least I know QXC played at an IEM event, and its pretty much a uniform opinion of anyone who follows foreigners that once out of school and full time he will be taking out Code S'ers left and right. Haters gonna hate bro. I've never heard anyone say that outside of like the QXC fanclub Edit: I think Nada, Heart and Killer are great and I don't have anything against QXC, but I don't see why anyone would think he's going to be Code S level.
QXC got an all kill in the GSTL, thats pretty huge, once he's done with school and can play full time, he will be very scary, also just a generally smart guy.
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United States2113 Posts
On February 19 2012 13:39 Balgrog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 09:39 Vul wrote:On February 19 2012 08:35 farvacola wrote:On February 19 2012 08:31 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:22 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:15 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:07 reki- wrote:
Sorry but other than killer and heart i don't see anyone particularly dangerous or MLG/tournament winning material : ( On February 19 2012 08:08 hunts wrote:
Complexity is not scary their foreign players aren't even good by foreigner standards.. MVP however is now very scary with the addition of nada, since thru the partnership this is essentially MVP getting the players but COL paying for it and getting the tag. Give the team abit of hope yeah, why everyone so negative all the time I tried to be hopeful for complexity, I was a huge fan of their WoW division back when MLG had WoW. But I've been severely dissapointed with everything they've done in SC2, and the level of players they've picked up. I really can't see them accomplishing much, and this korean pickup feels like a last ditch effort at going "hey guys we just bought some actual players, please pay attention to us!" But, I do hope nada does very well, he's just too awesome. Minigun has taken out Violet and Beastyqt QXC has taken out many top Korean players Killer is making a comeback NaDa just needs to find his game, Heart took out Bomber How is that not an achievement? They have just picked up nada heart and killer. I don't remember seeing minigun or QXC in any tournamennt in the past 6 or so months. And as I said, but goswser seems to have not read since he wants to defend his team (understandable, though reading is nice) I was a big fan of complexity in wow, so I want them to do well and not suck. I've just been extremely dissapointed with basically everything they've done in SC2, with the way they chose to recruit lower level players and hope to make them good, but not being able to do so. Anyway I hope the new korean players do well, and maybe they'll teach their foreign players to improve as well. Well at the very least I know QXC played at an IEM event, and its pretty much a uniform opinion of anyone who follows foreigners that once out of school and full time he will be taking out Code S'ers left and right. Haters gonna hate bro. I've never heard anyone say that outside of like the QXC fanclub Edit: I think Nada, Heart and Killer are great and I don't have anything against QXC, but I don't see why anyone would think he's going to be Code S level. QXC got an all kill in the GSTL, thats pretty huge, once he's done with school and can play full time, he will be very scary, also just a generally smart guy.
It was vs B/C teamers, and his win vs MVP was a BO1 where he got lucky with a BO win.
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Canada10681 Posts
coL starting to mean business!
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On February 19 2012 13:47 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 13:39 Balgrog wrote:On February 19 2012 09:39 Vul wrote:On February 19 2012 08:35 farvacola wrote:On February 19 2012 08:31 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:22 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:15 PiPoGevy wrote:On February 19 2012 08:07 reki- wrote:
Sorry but other than killer and heart i don't see anyone particularly dangerous or MLG/tournament winning material : ( On February 19 2012 08:08 hunts wrote:
Complexity is not scary their foreign players aren't even good by foreigner standards.. MVP however is now very scary with the addition of nada, since thru the partnership this is essentially MVP getting the players but COL paying for it and getting the tag. Give the team abit of hope yeah, why everyone so negative all the time I tried to be hopeful for complexity, I was a huge fan of their WoW division back when MLG had WoW. But I've been severely dissapointed with everything they've done in SC2, and the level of players they've picked up. I really can't see them accomplishing much, and this korean pickup feels like a last ditch effort at going "hey guys we just bought some actual players, please pay attention to us!" But, I do hope nada does very well, he's just too awesome. Minigun has taken out Violet and Beastyqt QXC has taken out many top Korean players Killer is making a comeback NaDa just needs to find his game, Heart took out Bomber How is that not an achievement? They have just picked up nada heart and killer. I don't remember seeing minigun or QXC in any tournamennt in the past 6 or so months. And as I said, but goswser seems to have not read since he wants to defend his team (understandable, though reading is nice) I was a big fan of complexity in wow, so I want them to do well and not suck. I've just been extremely dissapointed with basically everything they've done in SC2, with the way they chose to recruit lower level players and hope to make them good, but not being able to do so. Anyway I hope the new korean players do well, and maybe they'll teach their foreign players to improve as well. Well at the very least I know QXC played at an IEM event, and its pretty much a uniform opinion of anyone who follows foreigners that once out of school and full time he will be taking out Code S'ers left and right. Haters gonna hate bro. I've never heard anyone say that outside of like the QXC fanclub Edit: I think Nada, Heart and Killer are great and I don't have anything against QXC, but I don't see why anyone would think he's going to be Code S level. QXC got an all kill in the GSTL, thats pretty huge, once he's done with school and can play full time, he will be very scary, also just a generally smart guy. It was vs B/C teamers, and his win vs MVP was a BO1 where he got lucky with a BO win.
Are you implying that defeating full-time Korean B-teamers isn't a massive achievement for any foreigner? There is a grand total of one foreigner still in Code A, and he's not even western.
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Heart's shown some sick results - TL Open, some CSN tourny, losing in HSC qualifiers to Sound (who got 2nd), and I used to love watching his stream. NaDa I want to believe in but his play hasn't been too inspiring in my recent memory and I don't remember Killer from recently. Mostly it's probably just my bias in wanting to believe in Heart.
As for coL's non-Koreans: Drewbies been showing decent results. Between his Korea time and just in general, he made it through the MLG NA qualifer (beating Artist along the way, although Artist slumping) and I still believe in QXC. Trimaster got known of his sick MLG run too.
I think coL is pretty good although I wouldn't put them ahead of Mouz, Empire, or Liquid. Liquid has 2 top koreans and Ret/Sheth always do decently, Empire has Violet, Kas, Happy/Beasty (and Ariesto who seems better every time I see him), and Mouz always does damage in team leagues. I'd put them with a team like what Reign was - good non koreans a korean heavy hitter in Heart (i.e. Artist) along with some other Koreans. I love EG too but, might just be my memory, their results in teamleague's haven't been too inspiring lately, esp compared to Mouz and Liquid.
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On February 19 2012 19:34 teamamerica wrote:
Heart's shown some sick results - TL Open, some CSN tourny, losing in HSC qualifiers to Sound (who got 2nd), and I used to love watching his stream. NaDa I want to believe in but his play hasn't been too inspiring in my recent memory and I don't remember Killer from recently. Mostly it's probably just my bias in wanting to believe in Heart.
As for coL's non-Koreans: Drewbies been showing decent results. Between his Korea time and just in general, he made it through the MLG NA qualifer (beating Artist along the way, although Artist slumping) and I still believe in QXC. Trimaster got known of his sick MLG run too.
I think coL is pretty good although I wouldn't put them ahead of Mouz, Empire, or Liquid. Liquid has 2 top koreans and Ret/Sheth always do decently, Empire has Violet, Kas, Happy/Beasty (and Ariesto who seems better every time I see him), and Mouz always does damage in team leagues. I'd put them with a team like what Reign was - good non koreans a korean heavy hitter in Heart (i.e. Artist) along with some other Koreans. I love EG too but, might just be my memory, their results in teamleague's haven't been too inspiring lately, esp compared to Mouz and Liquid.
+ Show Spoiler +Drewbie won the NA qualifier, matches haven't been broadcast yet though
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