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You sir, have some balls of steel to say that here. Like big ones. Transformers II big. I respect that. I really do. However you seem to of built your entire basis on the features and company support.
Neither of which are needed for Esports. They help, and more companies should take notice of these things. But replay and spectator mode does not an esport make. Valve money or not.
It's about the people. It's always been about the people both pro's and for lack of a better term at the moment Joes. They are the ones playing the game, enjoying the game and the content produced with that game. These are the important factor. SC2 has it, Halo has it, Hell Quake has it in a devoted fandom.
My concerns for Dota 2's success is how the playerbase will embrace it from the original an essentially free product at this point. Now if they have a good model in Asia, parts of Europe and of course here in NA I expect a very large switch. If they mess something up you'll see a divide potentially(something the Counterstrike fans know all too well.) That and let's be honest Valve hasn't been a big esports supporter until now so if they keep it up I am all for it.
Now I am sure the powers that be know all the lines they need to walk but I am afraid you kinda focused on the game too much instead of what matters to make a scene last. Players that love the game and lots of them.
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Dota 2 has a mac version and lol dosent. Should get some players lol dosent have
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Dota 2 better than SC2 the same way SC2 is better than BW, I see...
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Valve is doing exactly what Blizzard should've done with SC2 but didn't. Dota2 is being a better esports game than sc2 now in my eyes.
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It may become the best "esports" game but im sticking with hon until the end lolol. fck that
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The interview is almost strange to read after all SC2 fans have to go through with Blizzard, his answers are straight forward. The community wants LAN, the community will get LAN. No run around for years and bullshit being fed to us.
Even if you don't like Dota this is a great thing to happen to competitive gaming because someone is delivering the shit we need and certain other companies can't so easy ignore it anymore
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Iono about king of eSports game-wise, but Valve is definitely the king of supporting eSports.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
oh well now SC2 fans can really attack Blizzard with the whole WHY NO LAN?WHY B.NET 2.0 SO BAD? etcetc...
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Its still Dota and not starcraft. I dont see them competing for the same audience at all. I for example played 2-3k games of Dota on warcraft 3 but cannot watch the game, ists simply not very exciting to see players buy some items farm a bunch and try to gang other heroes for hours.
id rathe see the strategical brilliance of players in starcraft 2 when they do something with not seen before micro / builds.
that having been said, blizzard should listen to some of the points players make, congratulations to valve for supporting a game like that.
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On February 15 2012 23:27 Sc2Requiem wrote:
Community maps in the ladder pool is just the tip of the iceberg.
lol - I can imagine clicking that gold button and then having to face some random kid on a 1v1 Tower Defense map.
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On February 15 2012 23:37 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 23:28 chroniX wrote:
LoL is a bad game - competetive wise. Even the Pros are saying that and everyone who has watched alot LoL games and actually understands whats happening knows that. Its a good game for the masses though , no doubt...
Dota 2 will be THE esport to play when it is released. What a trivial word it is then. THE esport? How would you go about defining it? Difficulty? Then why do people think SC2 is THE esport when BW is much harder? MOBA games are also very easy. It isn't like you need to micro an entire army, just the one champion. Oke, so it isn't difficulty because by that standard, Dota 2 falls short. Is it popularity? Well no, because LoL is likely to remain the most popular MOBA game with its already large playerbase. Oke, so is it prize money? Well no, because LoL has 5 million over the 1.6 million Dota 2 prize pool. I get that people hate LoL. Most of the reasons are invalid, but I understand that they do. But how do you go about declaring Dota 2 as "THE esport?" When a game has: 1) A smaller audience 2) A small playerbase 3) Is less competitive 4) Has smaller prize pools Then how is it THE esport? Sorry, but you sound like a curling fan that screams "Curling is THE sport to watch this year." Sorry, it just isn't. It isn't bigger than football, it isn't bigger than soccer. You sound almost delusional when you yell out such obviously unfounded claims. Why isn't it enough to just like Dota 2? Why must it be THE esport, even when it falls short in every category when compared to other esport titles?
Was gonna write a post about how calling it "THE king of ESPORTS" was wrong
but this basically sums it up
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I wish Blizzard would support SC2 like this. Good for Valve!
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Katowice25012 Posts
There is a pretty good chance Dota is too late to market and LoL will blow it out of the water for many years. Features and functionality are (sadly) far from the most important thing when it comes to how big a pass-time becomes.
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On February 16 2012 00:27 heyoka wrote:
There is a pretty good chance Dota is too late to market and LoL will blow it out of the water for many years. Features and functionality are (sadly) far from the most important thing when it comes to how big a pass-time becomes.
This hurts so much inside : (
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I really wish this would make blizzard wake up. They are slowly (or maybe quickly) going from the best company that makes amazing games and has amazing support, to a company that makes pretty good games with shit support. No lan ever, still no clan support, or name changes, no shared replays, no advertising for tournaments, or automated tournaments (which WC3 had.) I'm really starting to lose faith in blizzard, I really hope valve can be a wake up call to them on how they should be treating their customers.
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Well you gotta admit, Blizz hasn't exactly been 'hardworking' when it comes to SC2.
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Oh boy.
I really do want dota2 to succeed and all wc3dota players to move on to it.
For you who have not experienced it or are newbs I'll say that it's the only game that I have followed that can be compared in depth with sc.
The tactical prowess in the top level is mind blowing. Think of it like that specific quality that Savior had. When to fight, where to fight, how many fronts can I handle, with how many units, how to flank, when to expand and where.
The difference is that in dota if you make just one mistake in the late game, you lose the game, that's it.
I'm getting nerdchills atm, gonna watch that zsmj (dota's flash) documentary again.
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On February 15 2012 23:28 chroniX wrote:
LoL is a bad game - competetive wise. Even the Pros are saying that and everyone who has watched alot LoL games and actually understands whats happening knows that. Its a good game for the masses though , no doubt...
Dota 2 will be THE esport to play when it is released.
Well, it depends on what you want out of your eSport. There is a good possibility that after Dota 2 is released that LoL is still most popular eSport and thus receives more funding than any other game.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On February 16 2012 00:09 rkffhk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 23:27 Sc2Requiem wrote:
Community maps in the ladder pool is just the tip of the iceberg. lol - I can imagine clicking that gold button and then having to face some random kid on a 1v1 Tower Defense map.
fuck dat
Sheep tag Matchmaking, Master level
come at me bro.
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