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So for about half a day league of legends was down. I decided to play a game I still follow competitively, SCII. Season 6 had just started, so I decided to check the maps. After crossing off shakuras, shattered and I think korhal? I pressed the find match button for the first time in almost a month. Last time I pressed it was at the start of season 5, where I went something like 4-30 or something ridiculously bad like that. In short, I managed to not only place into diamond for the first time since season 1, I even was able to lose in the most anticlimactic of fashions for really, really dumb reasons. FFE v 6 pool? Put pylon down in main, put cannon down, simcity and 4gate for an easy follow up win on open natural maps, or expand and 6 gate. Such simplicity in and of itself. Yet even then I manage to botch the initial defense so horribly that I leave out of sheer frustration.
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not.
In both games there is a report function. But the difference is, in one of them, something actually happens when you report a player. I know, because I've seen the reports, and actually had a say in deciding what happens to the reported person. When blizzard doesn't care enough to ban proven hackers from the TL hacker threads, even when the information is assembled and they just need somebody to look over it, what good is reporting a 12 year old for being a retard going to do?
Lastly, there's a few thoughts on competitiveness and human nature. Both games are competitive. People can argue otherwise, but I'm still top10% in both. So why does losing a 1v1 in SCII feel so much worse than losing in LoL or a 2v2/3v3/4v4? In all those other ones, you can shift blame to others. In 1v1 the only things you can blame are balance, and yourself. When you believe the game is balanced, the only thing you can do is blame yourself for playing worse than the other guy. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that.
I still play 2v2 from time to time, but since my partner and I are not competitive 2v2 by any means, and we random, we made a few rules to make life easier on ourselves. T+offrace, double T we just leave and double offrace we cheese. Even then we probably lose more than we win, but we have fun doing it, which is the whole point.
I think that sums up my thoughts. I still love watching SCII, I still follow the scene, and watch my favourite streamers, but I cannot afford to put the time in to stay at a level of competitiveness I want to be at.
 
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Lol/dota/hon feels better because if you lose you can always blame it on someone else  . especially guys with big egos think like you do
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Whenever I play SC, I have a sense of urgency that I actually find quite stressful. A wasted second or two makes me curse and feel terrible in SC2, while the only thing that I find that compares is missing a creep kill in LoL. Of course, I curse over the missed CS, but I don't find it nearly as stressful nor as upsetting.
I guess the main difference for me is that LoL is much more basic, so that I only really get tense in team fights or exchanges, and the rest is laid back poke and farm, which I find pretty fun and less stressful than SC2 games. For me, I don't really think it has anything to do with being able to shift blame.
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On February 15 2012 11:56 Amui wrote:
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not.
I'm not white knighting for SC2 here. I play LoL much more than SC2 now for many reasons but the community definitely isn't one.
Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC?
I played in masters division for every ladder and I probably have been raged at post-game by my opponent less than 10 times (i have over 1000 games played).
You probably trash talk too much, leave the game with sarcastic remarks, or cheese so hard that 1/3 of your opponent still feel anger towards you after taking your ladder points. Just my 2 cents.
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I'm kind of the opposite. In LoL you almost always get retards on your team, ranked or not. It's why I dropped from 1400 elo in LoL to like 1200, and now I just play to dick around because in normal, people are stupid. In ranked, people are stupid AND egotistical and annoying. Maybe it's because I don't premade often but when my entire gaming experience is dependent upon stupid people it makes me just not want to play unless it's a fun champion, like kennen or ezreal.
SC2, on the other hand, it's all on you. While this does mean that all the fuckups are in fact, your fault, it also means your stroke of brilliance is also because you were ingenious enough to do it. And it ALWAYS feels good to win because the game went exactly as planned.
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On February 15 2012 12:27 Saeglopur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 11:56 Amui wrote:
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not. I'm not white knighting for SC2 here. I play LoL much more than SC2 now for many reasons but the community definitely isn't one. Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC? I played in masters division for every ladder and I probably have been raged at post-game by my opponent less than 10 times (i have over 1000 games played). You probably trash talk too much, leave the game with sarcastic remarks, or cheese so hard that 1/3 of your opponent still feel anger towards you after taking your ladder points. Just my 2 cents.
i doubt that. its only because you "run into" 9 guys instead of one
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LoL is a team game. You can always blame the other guy for not ganking on time, running away leaving you for dead, or ksing you. In SCII, there is no one but you. You can only blame yourself if you lose. LoL and SCII are both games. When you feel like you are not having fun, or in your case for some reason can't afford to play at the level of competitiveness(I don't really understand this part) you want to, then just stop. No one will blame you or care so don't worry.
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On February 15 2012 12:36 isleyofthenorth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:27 Saeglopur wrote:On February 15 2012 11:56 Amui wrote:
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not. I'm not white knighting for SC2 here. I play LoL much more than SC2 now for many reasons but the community definitely isn't one. Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC? I played in masters division for every ladder and I probably have been raged at post-game by my opponent less than 10 times (i have over 1000 games played). You probably trash talk too much, leave the game with sarcastic remarks, or cheese so hard that 1/3 of your opponent still feel anger towards you after taking your ladder points. Just my 2 cents. i doubt that. its only because you "run into" 9 guys instead of one
I've always felt like MOBA games and terrible communities. LoL is also pretty bad because its a free game, and people always seem to be more willing to act like asshats in free games.
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On February 15 2012 12:36 isleyofthenorth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:27 Saeglopur wrote:On February 15 2012 11:56 Amui wrote:
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not. I'm not white knighting for SC2 here. I play LoL much more than SC2 now for many reasons but the community definitely isn't one. Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC? I played in masters division for every ladder and I probably have been raged at post-game by my opponent less than 10 times (i have over 1000 games played). You probably trash talk too much, leave the game with sarcastic remarks, or cheese so hard that 1/3 of your opponent still feel anger towards you after taking your ladder points. Just my 2 cents. i doubt that. its only because you "run into" 9 guys instead of one
how on earth can you doubt that...
game of LoL ~ 45 mins. game of sc ~ 10 mins? so you'd run into 5 people, instead of 10. i'd say you're twice as likely to run into an asshole on LoL. and let me tell you, i'd much rather have someone in sc bm the shit out of me, because at least he's ON THE OTHER TEAM.
in LoL if you make a mistake, you get bitched out and raged at so hard by your OWN team.
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For me, HON had the least friendly community...and LoL is alright. In LoL (and any MOBA really) there's usually more communication, bad or good. For SC2 it seems a lot of the time it's either glhf and gg or nothing at all.
On another note, I tend to feel really good after each LoL win, and not always so good after each sc2 win..
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On February 15 2012 13:11 zoshk wrote:
For me, HON had the least friendly community...and LoL is alright. In LoL (and any MOBA really) there's usually more communication, bad or good. For SC2 it seems a lot of the time it's either glhf and gg or nothing at all.
On another note, I tend to feel really good after each LoL win, and not always so good after each sc2 win..
I'm the complete opposite. Winning in LoL doesnt really mean a lot to me. I mean I try to win but it feels a lot more rewarding winning in SC2. Though its also more stressful playing SC2 than LoL, its a lot more rewarding. The only thing I really like more about LoL is that my computer can run it without fps lag.
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LoL is super easy and if you have the coordination and apm of a mentally challenged 5 yr old you can play it. HoN and DotA are less forgiving but still stupid easy. Playing SC2 actually requires at least a little bit of talent, so yes, when you lose sometimes it reveals that you, in fact, suck. Unfortunately, it's also a game where you can lose to really weird stuff just because of dumb luck and to me that's far far far more frustrating than losing to stuff in MoBAs. MoBAs, while easy, are predictable and controllable.
I think the problem is that people in SC2 assume because they won, they were better than their opponent. No. That's almost certainly not the case in a BO1 like ladder. Anyone with decent builds can probably take a game off even the best players, cause nobody can scout everything every time. I've seen pros lose to the same stuff that diamond players have beaten me with. Why? Cause it's easy to execute and hard to predict. SC2 is much more like poker than say, tennis. Only over a large statistical sample can the better player be guaranteed to succeed.
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On February 15 2012 14:00 EternaLLegacy wrote:
LoL is super easy and if you have the coordination and apm of a mentally challenged 5 yr old you can play it. HoN and DotA are less forgiving but still stupid easy.
Why do so many starcraft players post garbage like this?
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On February 15 2012 13:07 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:36 isleyofthenorth wrote:On February 15 2012 12:27 Saeglopur wrote:On February 15 2012 11:56 Amui wrote:
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not. I'm not white knighting for SC2 here. I play LoL much more than SC2 now for many reasons but the community definitely isn't one. Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC? I played in masters division for every ladder and I probably have been raged at post-game by my opponent less than 10 times (i have over 1000 games played). You probably trash talk too much, leave the game with sarcastic remarks, or cheese so hard that 1/3 of your opponent still feel anger towards you after taking your ladder points. Just my 2 cents. i doubt that. its only because you "run into" 9 guys instead of one I've always felt like MOBA games and terrible communities. LoL is also pretty bad because its a free game, and people always seem to be more willing to act like asshats in free games.
see i have a problem with that. most sc2 players share this opinion and i think its just so wrong. sc2 players think so highly of themselves, and look down on all the other communities(lol, dota, fgc). Now i have some news for you, the sc community ever since sc2 was realeased is not one bit less "terrible" of a community. just as many ragers flamers assholes and idiots as in most other gaming communities, so get down from your high horse.
Also although im dota player, saying lol skillcap is so low and it takes no skill to play that game is ridiculous. Not anyone of you got even close to that "skillcap" in any game. is lol easier and less frustrating to learn? yes probably. is it possible to reach the highest level currently being played with less hours, commitment and talent? probably true as well.
But again, none of you have come even close to that..
As i said get down from your high horse, praise the sc community all you want but bashing others is just pathetic
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On February 15 2012 14:03 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 14:00 EternaLLegacy wrote:
LoL is super easy and if you have the coordination and apm of a mentally challenged 5 yr old you can play it. HoN and DotA are less forgiving but still stupid easy. Why do so many starcraft players post garbage like this?
Because it's really really easy? That doesn't make it BAD. I enjoyed MoBAs for a long time. That being said, I can practically jack off and play at the same time. It's REALLY easy.
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I play almost entirely LoL these days simply because it isn't as taxing. I am naturally competitive and like to try my best. Trying my best in SC involves a lot of focus, whereas in LoL and can try my best and still relax.
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On February 15 2012 13:07 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 12:36 isleyofthenorth wrote:On February 15 2012 12:27 Saeglopur wrote:On February 15 2012 11:56 Amui wrote:
I think there's good reasons why LoL just feels so much better. After a game of SCII, especially playing as I was, about a third of my opponents saw fit to message me afterwards and EZ me. I already know I'm playing like shit, people don't need to tell me that. One person went so far as to look at my history and taunt me for dropping to diamond. At one point, before university and LoL took over, I was ranked top 1500 masters NA. Sure people can look at that and say psssh that's easy. It's not. I'm not white knighting for SC2 here. I play LoL much more than SC2 now for many reasons but the community definitely isn't one. Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC? I played in masters division for every ladder and I probably have been raged at post-game by my opponent less than 10 times (i have over 1000 games played). You probably trash talk too much, leave the game with sarcastic remarks, or cheese so hard that 1/3 of your opponent still feel anger towards you after taking your ladder points. Just my 2 cents. i doubt that. its only because you "run into" 9 guys instead of one I've always felt like MOBA games and terrible communities. LoL is also pretty bad because its a free game, and people always seem to be more willing to act like asshats in free games.
LoL is fairly good as far as MOBA goes in terms of community. By the time you hit ranked games, Tribunal has booted the people that rage non-stop regardless of performance. It helps that the game is popular and you get matched with other equally unskilled players to start. My introduction to HoN at the behest of a friend was "uninstall noob" "gtfo" "FUCK WHY YOU IN MY GAME" and other such statements. When it didn't improve after 3 games, I just stopped playing because it's not worth my time.
You don't usually get people raging at you after one mistake. It's when you chain one mistake into another that people get mad. Died to a jungle gank? Fine. Come back with a ward, push up to tower and then go to put ward down, facecheck into jungler for another death. That's when most people start getting mad at you.
Did you just quit SC2 to play LoL because SC2 players give you a harder time? I think 95% of people who play both SC2 and LoL can agree you are much more likely to run into an asshole on LoL. I'm replying to this blog because I'm genuinely curious to your thought process. BTW are you from UBC?
I'm actually an SFU student, although my brother is UBC so you may know him.
I don't think I could pin not playing much SC2 on any one thing. Frustration is one part of it. Regardless of whether I win or lose in sc2 against an allin, or a cheese, I get frustrated that I don't get a chance to attempt to improve. I feel that assholes are far more common at lower levels. I think that comes primarily from people not fully understanding why they are losing. Those people who can't figure out why they lose tend to rage the hardest I find. I don't have a problem analyzing my last 10 games of starcraft and knowing EXACTLY why I lost. The kinds of mistakes I made to lose games ranged misplacing a pylon to supply blocking myself at 26 to failing a 6gate and trying to recover from being down a dozen workers.
I guess what it comes down to is me knowing my shortcomings, but while I could fix them given enough practice, I have neither the time nor dedication to sit down and work them out one-by-one as I did last summer. When I'm so out of practice that my BO's sometimes involve me forgetting second pylon, or not putting guys on gas, these kinds of mistakes take me a few days and dozens of games to iron out. The more finicky ones like microing 2 scouting probes while trying to FFE against an angry drone is just another situation where nothing helps but practice.
I play almost entirely LoL these days simply because it isn't as taxing. I am naturally competitive and like to try my best. Trying my best in SC involves a lot of focus, whereas in LoL and can try my best and still relax
This mostly, SC2 tends to get me extremely tense, while LoL I can relax because I don't have to do something every second.
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league of legends is boring you don't even do anything in that game
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