On February 10 2012 10:04 johny23 wrote: iam really sorry to bring this up again but sl]..puppyklr- has extremely bad mannered me. I hate bm players. He showing off reps of friendly games and cheesing me in friendly practice games.
I want a BO7 match vs this kid almost as much as shotcoder and lameire( aka lumire ).
This is my official challenge so you can either take it or dodge puppyklr And yes I have so many grudgematches because theres so many bm noobs that always have to bm and trash talk my skill AKA LUMIRE,FOLD, SHOTCODER AND NOW PUPPYKLR
On February 10 2012 10:39 puppykiller wrote: by popular demand
Not cheering for anyone in particular, but that should be fun. My favortie grudge matches are when it's a bo9, each game being a different matchup.
Also johny23 is baller for risking 40$ without anything in return. Puppykiller would have to write a poem, but it's not like it would be the first time, so ... ^^
On February 11 2012 11:17 fold wrote: ...please play seriously if you don't want to look silly. -.-
And saying that you weren't playing seriously does NOT save you any face. GM = you have one chance to prove who is better once and for all, otherwise it is a farce.
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Didn't PK run straight to his base? It was later tested against lumire to see if he was streamcheating and he didn't seem to, not saying it's not possible. It's just so hard to tell with johnny, there doesn't have to be a reason for some of the things he does.
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Puppy doesn't play zerg. So when puppy picked a weird map and went zerg... it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's going to 4, 5 or 9 pool.
Not to mention the map has shared bases so its possible to spawn really close as well.
What build would you do on a shared based map vs someone who doesn't play zerg but picked them anyways? In other words if you stop his rush you win 100% because he doesn't play zerg.
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Puppy doesn't play zerg. So when puppy picked a weird map and went zerg... it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's going to 4, 5 or 9 pool.
Not to mention the map has shared bases so its possible to spawn really close as well.
What build would you do on a shared based map vs someone who doesn't play zerg but picked them anyways? In other words if you stop his rush you win 100% because he doesn't play zerg.
I guess I'm wrong and I shouldn't have rushed to conclusions. I skimmed through the games after they were played and someone on the top of this page mentioned stream cheating and the commentators were talking about 'blatant stream cheating' but it makes sense to play very safe and sacrifice eco if you know their opponent will not be able to outplay you in the mid-late game.
Can someone explain to me why people would play mouse-only, no hotkeys? And in particular, why does Johny play like that? Is it trolling, or is it a legit style.
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Puppy doesn't play zerg. So when puppy picked a weird map and went zerg... it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's going to 4, 5 or 9 pool.
Not to mention the map has shared bases so its possible to spawn really close as well.
What build would you do on a shared based map vs someone who doesn't play zerg but picked them anyways? In other words if you stop his rush you win 100% because he doesn't play zerg.
Even though I think you're just Johny on an alternate account, let me point out an obvious fallacy with this argument. Facing Zerg does not automatically mean that a 4 pool is coming. Johny also does not play Terran vs Zerg, so with both players playing off-raced, anything could happen. Puppykiller could have gone into some kind of tech rush build, and in that case, Johny's super-early, overly-defensive build would have been rolled over.
It's also quite curious that Johny did not want to finish the series with Lumire once the stream was switched off.
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Puppy doesn't play zerg. So when puppy picked a weird map and went zerg... it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's going to 4, 5 or 9 pool.
Not to mention the map has shared bases so its possible to spawn really close as well.
What build would you do on a shared based map vs someone who doesn't play zerg but picked them anyways? In other words if you stop his rush you win 100% because he doesn't play zerg.
Even though I think you're just Johny on an alternate account, let me point out an obvious fallacy with this argument. Facing Zerg does not automatically mean that a 4 pool is coming. Johny also does not play Terran vs Zerg, so with both players playing off-raced, anything could happen. Puppykiller could have gone into some kind of tech rush build, and in that case, Johny's super-early, overly-defensive build would have been rolled over.
It's also quite curious that Johny did not want to finish the series with Lumire once the stream was switched off.
Johny knew nothing about puppykiller, for all he could have known puppykiller could have a really decent offrace and be someone like dsyxelic who could play multiple races well.
His reasoning is just damage control and i don't think too many people should buy into it.
He didn't want to resume vs me because he can only beat me by stream-cheating in a super bo dependent matchup (zvz).
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Puppy doesn't play zerg. So when puppy picked a weird map and went zerg... it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's going to 4, 5 or 9 pool.
Not to mention the map has shared bases so its possible to spawn really close as well.
What build would you do on a shared based map vs someone who doesn't play zerg but picked them anyways? In other words if you stop his rush you win 100% because he doesn't play zerg.
Even though I think you're just Johny on an alternate account, let me point out an obvious fallacy with this argument. Facing Zerg does not automatically mean that a 4 pool is coming. Johny also does not play Terran vs Zerg, so with both players playing off-raced, anything could happen. Puppykiller could have gone into some kind of tech rush build, and in that case, Johny's super-early, overly-defensive build would have been rolled over.
It's also quite curious that Johny did not want to finish the series with Lumire once the stream was switched off.
Nina, for someone who acts like they're a reasonable person you're really either being ignorant or extremely malice.
#1 I am a random player(toss is my best) but I played every single match up when I got C+ that includes T vs Z.
#2 I've watched replays and played games with Puppyklr. I know he only plays terran and isn't good at all with zerg. He never played Z once or mentioned he even played zerg. Therefore when someone is down 0-2, picks a weird map and goes zerg the odds are they will be 4, 5, or 9 pool. Seriously, I am not trying to be mean but it begs the question are you really this stupid?
Maybe your problem is you still fail to understand that I am a legit C+ player with ever playing 1v1 A lot and without hotkeys.
On February 11 2012 13:53 Yaqoob wrote: I just skimmed through the games and I don't know where puppykiller was stream cheating but it was obvious that johny23 was stream cheating in game 3 when he went blind 8 rax into bunker because puppy did a 4 pool
Puppy doesn't play zerg. So when puppy picked a weird map and went zerg... it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's going to 4, 5 or 9 pool.
Not to mention the map has shared bases so its possible to spawn really close as well.
What build would you do on a shared based map vs someone who doesn't play zerg but picked them anyways? In other words if you stop his rush you win 100% because he doesn't play zerg.
Even though I think you're just Johny on an alternate account, let me point out an obvious fallacy with this argument. Facing Zerg does not automatically mean that a 4 pool is coming. Johny also does not play Terran vs Zerg, so with both players playing off-raced, anything could happen. Puppykiller could have gone into some kind of tech rush build, and in that case, Johny's super-early, overly-defensive build would have been rolled over.
It's also quite curious that Johny did not want to finish the series with Lumire once the stream was switched off.
Johny knew nothing about puppykiller, for all he could have known puppykiller could have a really decent offrace and be someone like dsyxelic who could play multiple races well.
His reasoning is just damage control and i don't think too many people should buy into it.
He didn't want to resume vs me because he can only beat me by stream-cheating in a super bo dependent matchup (zvz).
Noone is biased as hell towards me, doesn't like me and favors you. If you review all the matches and think logically even he will admit I wasn't stream cheating.
Not to mention I already beat you 2-0 ZvsZ with the EXACT SAME BUILD that I used in the tournament. You've beaten me one game out of 7 (4 games off stream, 3 games on stream). The only game you won I went for an 8 Rax vs 12 Pool.
Why don't you mention that game? That game was on stream yet 8 rax is HORRIBLE vs 12 pool. Bunker rush fails, I am behind on eco and you can contain/harass my ramp.
It's funny you guys never mention anything that helps me you only bend everything you possible can to try and make me look bad.
EDIT: I think 8 rax starts before 12 pool now that I think about it. Regardless it's disgusting that you claim I stream cheat. Z vs T puppykiller I had a drone in his base and CONSTANTLY moving outside his base for like first 5 minutes of the game. First game I proxied first, then puppy klr proxies. Imagine if puppy klr proxied then I did. You guys would say "OMG STREAM HACK".
I mention all the time how im absolutely awful vs terrible/cheesy/retardness. You fit those criteria's perfectly. I also dont play zvz and you refuse to resume the bo7 w/o stream. Also i like how u make up 2 more wins that didn't happen everytime we talk.
We make you look bad because its not exactly a hard thing to do...
On February 12 2012 02:16 Lumire wrote: I mention all the time how im absolutely awful vs terrible/cheesy/retardness. You fit those criteria's perfectly. I also dont play zvz and you refuse to resume the bo7 w/o stream. Also i like how u make up 2 more wins that didn't happen everytime we talk.
We make you look bad because its not exactly a hard thing to do...
Honestly man where am I wrong? I'll even take away the TvsZ since according to you, you said "no vultures". Hard to take your word for it since you bash me for stream cheating even after I explained every game to you.
Anyways 2-0 PvsZ and 3-0 ZvsZ that's 5 games if you don't count the TvsZ. That would be 6 out of 7 games like I said. So once again you claim I am a liar yet I even have replays to prove all the games. You see how you call me a liar no matter what? You'll even deny replays. Let me guess I hacked and made fake replays right?
Also you accuse me of stream hacking and LEFT the game. So now if you win the next games youll say. Yeah you were stream cheating!!! See guys? I won once we stopped streaming!!! When in reality it's about time you win some games being down 5-1 or 6-1.
Why would I play with someone who quits and accuses me of cheating? You and Nina are pathetic.
Lastly Noone will vouch for me. I said $40 vs puppy klr if theres NO STREAM and REPLAYS ONLY. Noone said" no stop being a pussy it's more interesting live". This is was the night prior to the matches.
I was the one worried about stream cheating that I even said I wouldn't put up money unless it was replay casting only. Noone is the one who talked me out of it. Now you guys use it against me that it was on stream.
You see how pathetic this all is? You guys accuse me of shit without knowing facts. If I say no stream then Noone will bitch and call me stupid. If I stream I get accused of stream hacking.
On February 12 2012 05:25 Holy Check wrote: As a 3rd party observer and I am of the opinion that Johny got bashed much more than he should have.
Agreed. It's not like Shotcoder or Lumire or I are any more GM than Johnny, on the grand scale of things. Lumire is just as stubborn and BM as Johnny is. It's just that there is a stigma against cheesy players, which I can understand. That's why they shit on Johnny despite not being any better than he is (I don't mean skill-wise).
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