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On February 03 2012 04:04 R1CH wrote:
Yeah come on, this isn't a problem at all. Program Files is for programs to put stuff, not for you. You have your own C:\Users folder for your stuff. Keep your stuff and programs separate, there's no reason at all to be manually messing around in Program Files folders.
That's a little naive, don't you think?
I've moved savegames from one place to another using it. I've edited some .ini files to change various things. I've installed mods, uninstalled mods, installed no-cd patches after a CD broke, fished out screenshots, transferred settings files from one machine to another, and even backed up the giant multi-GB file that Guild Wars saves all its stuff in so I wouldn't have to re-download it on a new machine I wanted to install it on.
On any machine that's mine, I should be able to directly change whatever I want, and deal with the consequences if I break shit. My programs are *mine*, and if I want to fiddle with them, I should be able to. On my linux machine it's "sudo whatever" (or "sudo nautilus <path>" if I like clicking on shit), on my windows 7 machine I've managed to uncheck all the "hide XYZ from user" boxes, and on this mac I have to use for work -- well, fucked if I know, I dislike OSX with a fiery burning passion. But if I can't actually do these things, then it's not my machine -- it belongs to whoever actually has root on it.
I don't have any experience with OP's problem, since I've not had that much trouble with Win7. But I definitely agree that he ought to be able to have unrestricted read/write access to his own damn filesystem. If he breaks something by meddling it's his own problem.
I'm okay with my computer saying "It looks like you might be about to break something, are you sure you want to do this?", so long as the options "Yes" and "Yes, and fuck off next time" are options.
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Man up and install Linux.
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Isnt there some option to run everything as administrator ? Ive turned that on and have never had a popup since asking for administration rights.
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The main problem I have with Windows 7 so far is one thing in the international versions (or at least the norwegian version).
In this version they have translated the "program files" folder in the explorer to the norwegian word "programfiler". This makes it so that the folder is actually called "program files", but it shows up in the explorer (and therefore a few apps pick it up as) "programfiler". It have caused quite some bugs in various programs, and afaik can't be removed.
Fortunately I haven't been forced to use the norwegian version yet. :p
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On February 03 2012 04:51 entropius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 04:04 R1CH wrote:
Yeah come on, this isn't a problem at all. Program Files is for programs to put stuff, not for you. You have your own C:\Users folder for your stuff. Keep your stuff and programs separate, there's no reason at all to be manually messing around in Program Files folders. That's a little naive, don't you think? I've moved savegames from one place to another using it. I've edited some .ini files to change various things. I've installed mods, uninstalled mods, installed no-cd patches after a CD broke, fished out screenshots, transferred settings files from one machine to another, and even backed up the giant multi-GB file that Guild Wars saves all its stuff in so I wouldn't have to re-download it on a new machine I wanted to install it on. ... I'm okay with my computer saying "It looks like you might be about to break something, are you sure you want to do this?", so long as the options "Yes" and "Yes, and fuck off next time" are options.
Save games, screenshots, ini files, etc are user data, not program data and don't belong in the Program Files hierarchy in the first place. If you're using old programs that don't respect the Windows file system guidelines then yes you may need to mess around in Program Files, but Windows is usually smart enough to figure out that these programs are trying to save user data to the wrong place and it silently redirects it to a virtual folder in your user account ("Show compatibility files" is what it's called in Explorer).
And of course you can change whatever you like - turn off UAC and set the permissions to allow full control, but then you're on your own when you break something and you've also removed some security by allowing everything to run at full administrator level permissions.
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On February 03 2012 04:04 R1CH wrote:
Yeah come on, this isn't a problem at all. Program Files is for programs to put stuff, not for you. You have your own C:\Users folder for your stuff. Keep your stuff and programs separate, there's no reason at all to be manually messing around in Program Files folders.
I have a(n old) game installed in program files and it can be easily customized by swapping out image files, altering the text files, etc. I'm not allowed to do so. Instead, I have to make working copies on my desktop and edit things there, and then copy those over into my game folder and then UAC let's me choose to overwrite - but if I edit directly, I can't save.
It can be pretty annoying when I'm tinkering with single configuration values and I have to go through 3-4 steps just to change a flag from 0 to 1.
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On February 03 2012 09:11 opsayo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 04:04 R1CH wrote:
Yeah come on, this isn't a problem at all. Program Files is for programs to put stuff, not for you. You have your own C:\Users folder for your stuff. Keep your stuff and programs separate, there's no reason at all to be manually messing around in Program Files folders. I have a(n old) game installed in program files and it can be easily customized by swapping out image files, altering the text files, etc. I'm not allowed to do so. Instead, I have to make working copies on my desktop and edit things there, and then copy those over into my game folder and then UAC let's me choose to overwrite - but if I edit directly, I can't save. It can be pretty annoying when I'm tinkering with single configuration values and I have to go through 3-4 steps just to change a flag from 0 to 1.
yes. That is exactly my problem. I had no problem with the popups and stuff. I kept it around for a long time until i realized how much im restricted even after clicking Yes. Even with UAC turned off, you cannot directly edit config files and the likes and save it directly in the folder. If you try to patch the game with some exe file that moves files to folders and edits some .ini, it will give an error.
I think this is actually a problem with non profesional/ultimate. You can actually disable all the stupid shit and get full control in those versions afaik.
And i thought rich was being sarcastic with his first post 
No matter how you look at it, having protections in place that cannot be disabled no matter what is not good programming.
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I've never had a problem with windows 7
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