EPTBut I don't see how it could be considered illegal o.O
A few things: Dragon (ex slayers) - Page 2
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46322 Posts
But I don't see how it could be considered illegal o.O | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
2) People in player X's streamchat tends to like player X and what he does. You will obviously not get an objective view on Dragon from his own streamchat, just as in any other stream. 3) Why the hell do you care about what chat is saying anyway? These days it is mostly people trying to be funny with old bad jokes (day9 dead, X is American, opponent is MC/Idra, etc.), balance complaints, attempts to incite balance complaints or arguments ("who is better destiny or day9? just curious", "do you think blink is op", "is day9 really gm level", etc.), and people responding to these stupid questions as if they were meant genuinely. There may be 1 in 50 messages with meaningful content, but it is lost in the many useless messages. Just don't look at chat. There are a few exceptions, in particular I have noticed that TLO's chat seems to be fairly civil. Dragon usually doesn't bm his opponents, and if he does it is usually as a response to bm. I don't like him playing on smurfs because I would like an effective ladder, but really why do you care so much? There are many people who do this, most notably the thousands that drop their rank in an attempt to get achievements. Anyway if you play against an opponent you don't like just leave the game and block communication if he tries to contact you, ladder points aren't really important and if your feeling of self-worth is hurt by the defeat screen just tell yourself that your opponent was MVP smurfing, no one else cares about your win/loss ratio but you. Also how is it illegal? It may be against the ToS, but no one cares about the ToS except blizzard. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
And to the people who say it's not illegal: Yes, it is. You can't let anyone use your account, for any reason, ever. Huk and TLO once received a warning from Blizzard, as HuK was using TLO's account to play an EU tournament I believe. Obviously it's a pretty hard thing to enforce, but it is in fact a rule. edit: Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236979 | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
What purpose does this serve? | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On January 26 2012 04:57 darkscream wrote: If blizzard detects what he's doing, those accounts will get banned. Stop sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, or man up and report the behaviour yourself. And to the people who say it's not illegal: Yes, it is. You can't let anyone use your account, for any reason, ever. Huk and TLO once received a warning from Blizzard, as HuK was using TLO's account to play an EU tournament I believe. Obviously it's a pretty hard thing to enforce, but it is in fact a rule. edit: Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236979 There is a difference between being illegal, and just violating bnet ToS. Violating ToS is, by itself,perfectly fine IMO. I've been doing that for year. What the community frowns upon, and what is against the ToS is often different. This specific behavior sound legal, but against ToS to me. And personally I dislike it too. | ||
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Rinny
United States616 Posts
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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almins
Wales39 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On January 26 2012 05:05 MasterOfChaos wrote: There is a difference between being illegal, and just violating bnet ToS. no there's not, don't be semantic, don't pick apart the specific word I used. It's illegal, forbidden, not recommended, against the rules. If blizzard catches you, they can ban you. They might choose not to, they might not catch you. but they could. End of story. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On January 26 2012 05:25 darkscream wrote: no there's not, don't be semantic, don't pick apart the specific word I used. It's illegal, forbidden, not recommended, against the rules. If blizzard catches you, they can ban you. They might choose not to, they might not catch you. but they could. End of story. There is a difference. It is not against the law and therefore is not illegal. It is against the ToS, and thus against the rules. This is not a (pardon the French) HUGE MOTHERFUCKING DEAL. This is a problem, both people were in the wrong, but it doesn't deserve an explosion of rage. | ||
Chill
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On January 26 2012 05:25 darkscream wrote: no there's not, don't be semantic, don't pick apart the specific word I used. It's illegal, forbidden, not recommended, against the rules. If blizzard catches you, they can ban you. They might choose not to, they might not catch you. but they could. End of story. According to bnet ToS, you aren't allowed to use the colour enhancer thing that people like -orb- use, or use the medic main menu pic, and yet Browder has said he is fine with the colour and nobody has been banned yet for the medic. Bnet ToS isn't the be all end all to being right or wrong. Edit: also, sorry to be pedantic, but there is a difference between steam sniping and stream cheating. Because both aren't considered good practice, most people in the community to talk about them enough for the two definitions to be well defined/understood. Steam sniping = watching a stream so you know when the streamer is starting a game, and clicking "find match" at the same time in order to get a higher chance of playing them (assuming roughly equal ranking/MMR). Steam cheating = watching a stream while playing so that you can know what they are doing and counter it easily without scouting. You can do both at the same time, but you don't have to. I know people, especially when MC was on EU ladder before HSC, who attempted to snipe, but none of them would dream of stream cheating. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 26 2012 04:28 ranshaked wrote: More or less, as he realized he wasn't playing against the real owner of the account and it was actually Dragon he said he would stream snipe...The chat went nuts and was making fun of the guy really hardcore. The chat seemed to have forgotten that Dragon himself was caught stream sniping himself. It just all seemed hypocritical. He wouldn't have stream cheated if it had been the actual user using the account. I wonder how many other pros/grandmaster players level accounts. I've had some games in which I'm confused..I mean I get utterly destroyed and wonder, how is he still in gold? WTF. If the guy stream sniped Dragon then he WANTED to play vs dragon. And now you are crying about it for him because he got his ass kicked? Also, how is a low level SC player having a chance to play vs a pro such a bad thing? I would love to play vs him. I'd get my ass kicked but it would be fun. if you are a diamond level player and the only reason you play the game is to win, you're doing it wrong imo. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
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Rubber
United States150 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On January 26 2012 07:23 Odal wrote: The fact that people have forgiven a maphacker/streamcheater that promised to never play in tournaments again because he makes silly faces on steam is disgusting enough. Well, he still can't play in tournaments... I don't know what you mean by forgiven = disgusting. There are tons of pros who used to do shady things, and over time the community accepted them again. TT1 springs to mind. DesRow. Lots of people. | ||
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omgimonfire15
United States233 Posts
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atmuh
United States246 Posts
didnt read the thread so i didnt see people are discussing this already but yeah | ||
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Love and Justice
United States87 Posts
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