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After the fiasco with Dragon leaving slayers, I've noticed that he's been leveling accounts up for money. I'm not quite sure if other professional players do this as well, but I feel incredibly against this.
Just recently on his stream a rank 7 diamond player was forced to play Dragon. He stream sniped Dragon, and then BM'ed Dragon until the end of the game. Dragon continuously taunted him, starting the game off by going 3 nexus. I had hoped that the chat would be upset at Dragon, but they all went on a rant against the other player. Was it fair that he had to play Dragon? NO! It isn't fair. It only hurts your ladder play. You don't gain anything by playing Dragon, aside from being embarrassed and taunted continuously.
1) What dragon is doing is ILLEGAL.
2) Dragon was caught cheating before slayers, so how can anyone be mad at anyone that BM's him.
3) It isn't fair to be sub masters and have to play against Dragon because you will lose over and over.
It's as if an MLB player was playing with a bunch of little leaguers...It just isn't right, or fair. The game is supposed to be fun, but if you're being BM'd by a professional player, it is discouraging to play.
Or, when you're in an FPS game (say call of duty) and you're supposed to play against a team on your level (say your team is cevo M or O) and the other team is cevo M, but a cevo P team smurfs under a different name to make money. It's not good for starcraft, and it isn't good for any game.
I hope that Blizzard can somehow fix this issue and ban Dragon from doing this because if I had to play him I'd be upset. I want to play people at my skill level, or slightly above. You will not get better by playing him over and over. I cannot understand how Dragon fan boys can support him while he does this
Does anyone agree with me, or am I taking this too far? Am I over-analyzing this?
On a side note:
I get my new laptop in less than two weeks and I'll finally be able to play! It's been almost 4 months now since I've played any game!
  
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I think you are worrying too much about what this individual is doing in his spare time. If you don't like what he's doing, don't watch his stream. There are a bajillion more to choose from.
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He stream sniped dragon and its dragon's fault he had to play him? The hell am i reading?
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Out of the 1000's of games you play, I dont think playing Dragon a few times will kill your rank.
And (If youre on about the person I think you are) people were getting mad at the other guy for BMing Dragon because he admitted to stream cheating him and was racist multiple times.
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On January 26 2012 03:31 Decipher wrote:
Out of the 1000's of games you play, I dont think playing Dragon a few times will kill your rank.
And (If youre on about the person I think you are) people were getting mad at the other guy for BMing Dragon because he admitted to stream cheating him and was racist multiple times.
What if you're like me and you only get a chance to play 1 or 2 games a day...I've played maybe 500 games since sc2 came out. In that case, yes getting embarrassed and losing to Dragon wouldn't be fun.
@ the other guy It was dragons fault because he's illegally smurfing on other accounts for money
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Most of your argument is against smurfing, not against account selling.
I dont have a problem with smurfing.
Account selling Blizzard could take action for, personally I don't care too much. Frankly you have to be an idiot to buy an account in Masters/GM. You buy an accout for literally...a season. That you probably cant even play on because if you did you'd be immediately demoted because if you were good enough to play anywhere near masters, you wouldn't be buying an account in masters. And the next season you either have to what...buy another account in masters?
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It's just a single game.
I run into people who were 2-3 leagues higher last season all the time. (they always win, not like they're much worse or something). Kind of annoying, but whatever.
I guess you can anti-streamsnipe (lol) to make sure you don't play him.
And why on earth would you pay someone else to ladder for you?
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On January 26 2012 03:33 ranshaked wrote:
@ the other guy It was dragons fault because he's illegally smurfing on other accounts for money
If people are stupid enough to pay money for rank, then I'm really not bothered.
Blizzards point system is good, the people paying for rank will not be able to keep playing at the level Dragon raises their account to, and will just drop back down again anyway.
It provides good entertainment on stream, and thats really all I care about.
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I feel like I'm reading something from an overprotective mom. It's not a big deal, and I'm sure the guy is devastated that he got to play against a well known player.
And your points are stupid. How can anyone be mad when they BM dragon because of what he did in the past? What am I reading here? We've all made mistakes, and that doesn't mean you deserve to be treated like shit for the rest of your life because of it.
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So someone Stream snipe dragon, then he BM him and makes racist comments? Thus, Dragon is the bad guy here? WTF, if the guy stream sniped dragon it's because he wanted to play vs him maybe? Plus, I don't know what you wanted to achieve by making this blog because obviously people don't gives a shit about ladder and it's pretty obvious that Dragon is not going to change his way of living.
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I used to think it was hilarious because the people he would play were also fans of him. It's all in good fun for the most part.
I do agree it's a little shitty when the other person just wants a fair match on ladder. To be fair, people BM all the time and facing higher competition occasionally is good for you, cause it gives you more concrete examples of what you can and can't do in your builds. His BM can be really funny sometimes cause his english is so bad and he mostly just does the "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ EZ" shit.
Having said that, I stopped watching him after a while when realizing it's practically all he did. I got he intrigued at first cause he gave Nestea a run for his money in the 2nd open season, and he had some really serious practice sessions. Also his understanding/consistancy of building placement is second to none.
Vibe would agree. He said on his stream last night: "I'm going to break his little fucking fortification"-- made me lol.
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he's a little brat, simple as that. he takes a childish joy in humiliating other people, anyone who support him ought to be ashamed..
Obviously his horde of supporters will defend him which is fine, but be a little objective.
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I don't see anything wrong playing people with a higher skill level than you. Ladder is essentially practice games anyway. Also, Dragon handicaps by doing incredibly greedy builds.
However, I don't understand why people are paying Dragon to level up their accounts because once they log in, it's like "Oh shit, my MMR is matching me against higher skill levels." What's the point?
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How is it illegal?
I'd love to play against him even though I would get destroyed. I think most people would want to play a streamed match against a well known player.
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On January 26 2012 04:02 acrimoneyius wrote:
I used to think it was hilarious because the people he would play were also fans of him. It's all in good fun for the most part.
I do agree it's a little shitty when the other person just wants a fair match on ladder. To be fair, people BM all the time and facing higher competition occasionally is good for you, cause it gives you more concrete examples of what you can and can't do in your builds. His BM can be really funny sometimes cause his english is so bad and he mostly just does the "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ EZ" shit.
Having said that, I stopped watching him after a while when realizing it's practically all he did. I got he intrigued at first cause he gave Nestea a run for his money in the 2nd open season, and he had some really serious practice sessions. Also his understanding/consistancy of building placement is second to none.
Vibe would agree. He said on his stream last night: "I'm going to break his little fucking fortification"-- made me lol.
It's more or less annoying. At first I thought it was funny, but for the past week or so it is all he does. As for "practice", I don't think you can practice against him because of timings and such, not to mention he isn't doing any "build" orders. He's just messing around, which throws off the other player. :shrug: It just frustrates me that he's getting paid to do this.
I come from the FPS world, in which when this stuff happens you get banned. If you were caught smurfing etc you'd be finished.
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Wait a sec, did you say that the other guy stream sniped Dragon? If he did, he got what was coming to him...
Nice logic, OP.
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On January 26 2012 04:25 PenguinWithNuke wrote:
Wait a sec, did you say that the other guy stream sniped Dragon? If he did, he got what was coming to him...
Nice logic, OP.
More or less, as he realized he wasn't playing against the real owner of the account and it was actually Dragon he said he would stream snipe...The chat went nuts and was making fun of the guy really hardcore. The chat seemed to have forgotten that Dragon himself was caught stream sniping himself. It just all seemed hypocritical. He wouldn't have stream cheated if it had been the actual user using the account.
I wonder how many other pros/grandmaster players level accounts. I've had some games in which I'm confused..I mean I get utterly destroyed and wonder, how is he still in gold?
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Although I don't approve of Dragon leveling accounts, it is entirely the one paying Dragon to do so that is at fault. I've thought about it for a bit and Dragon is doing what he needs to do in order to make a living, while the evil consumer is the one providing the funds for this smurfing to happen. It's like having your stockholders make you do some unethical in business because you need that money in order to feed your family. In this case it's Dragon who needs cash to support himself, because I we can all agree that pro gamers and typically not financially well off unless your name is Nestea, MVP, or MC.
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On January 26 2012 04:28 ranshaked wrote:
I wonder how many other pros/grandmaster players level accounts. I've had some games in which I'm confused..I mean I get utterly destroyed and wonder, how is he still in gold?
Not many, and if there was, then you wouldn't face them as often as you think you are. Smurfs probably skipped gold through placement matches. You probably just picked a bad build and got outplayed entirely from the start by a normal gold player.
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On January 26 2012 04:36 Decipher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 04:28 ranshaked wrote:
I wonder how many other pros/grandmaster players level accounts. I've had some games in which I'm confused..I mean I get utterly destroyed and wonder, how is he still in gold? Not many, and if there was, then you wouldn't face them as often as you think you are. Smurfs probably skipped gold through placement matches. You probably just picked a bad build and got outplayed entirely from the start by a normal gold player.
From what I can tell, a majority of the accounts he is leveling are already in diamond. He isn't starting out brand new accounts. These are accounts with quite a few games on them. I remember last week he spent 8 hours or so leveling up one account to masters...
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It's not illegal to level up another person's account. It's just arguably stupid, considering you're not actually good enough to play people at the new account level when you get it back, and so you'll just get your ass kicked over and over again.
But I don't see how it could be considered illegal o.O
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1) Both people can be in the wrong. Dragon may or may not be doing something immoral and hurtful, but that does not excuse cheating and racist comments.
2) People in player X's streamchat tends to like player X and what he does. You will obviously not get an objective view on Dragon from his own streamchat, just as in any other stream.
3) Why the hell do you care about what chat is saying anyway? These days it is mostly people trying to be funny with old bad jokes (day9 dead, X is American, opponent is MC/Idra, etc.), balance complaints, attempts to incite balance complaints or arguments ("who is better destiny or day9? just curious", "do you think blink is op", "is day9 really gm level", etc.), and people responding to these stupid questions as if they were meant genuinely. There may be 1 in 50 messages with meaningful content, but it is lost in the many useless messages. Just don't look at chat. There are a few exceptions, in particular I have noticed that TLO's chat seems to be fairly civil.
Dragon usually doesn't bm his opponents, and if he does it is usually as a response to bm.
I don't like him playing on smurfs because I would like an effective ladder, but really why do you care so much? There are many people who do this, most notably the thousands that drop their rank in an attempt to get achievements. Anyway if you play against an opponent you don't like just leave the game and block communication if he tries to contact you, ladder points aren't really important and if your feeling of self-worth is hurt by the defeat screen just tell yourself that your opponent was MVP smurfing, no one else cares about your win/loss ratio but you. Also how is it illegal? It may be against the ToS, but no one cares about the ToS except blizzard.
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If blizzard detects what he's doing, those accounts will get banned. Stop sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, or man up and report the behaviour yourself.
And to the people who say it's not illegal: Yes, it is. You can't let anyone use your account, for any reason, ever. Huk and TLO once received a warning from Blizzard, as HuK was using TLO's account to play an EU tournament I believe.
Obviously it's a pretty hard thing to enforce, but it is in fact a rule.
edit: Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236979
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Lol this isn't a MMORPG or RPG what kind of person wants someone else leveling their account?
What purpose does this serve?
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On January 26 2012 04:57 darkscream wrote:If blizzard detects what he's doing, those accounts will get banned. Stop sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, or man up and report the behaviour yourself. And to the people who say it's not illegal: Yes, it is. You can't let anyone use your account, for any reason, ever. Huk and TLO once received a warning from Blizzard, as HuK was using TLO's account to play an EU tournament I believe. Obviously it's a pretty hard thing to enforce, but it is in fact a rule. edit: Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236979
There is a difference between being illegal, and just violating bnet ToS. Violating ToS is, by itself,perfectly fine IMO. I've been doing that for year. What the community frowns upon, and what is against the ToS is often different.
This specific behavior sound legal, but against ToS to me. And personally I dislike it too.
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Leveling accounts is against blizzard's TOS. I remember SelecT had a leveling account system but he stopped once he found out the breach of TOS.
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uhm... if im there laddering and i end up up playing someone who's id i recognize as a pro player then i aint gonna be bothered. in fact i would be happy for multiple reasons. 1. i get to play a pro. 2. better to play someone gosu to improve . i could go on but i cba. No need to wine about what he does in his time. Hes entertaining and is loved by many many people for his entertainment.
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On January 26 2012 05:05 MasterOfChaos wrote:
There is a difference between being illegal, and just violating bnet ToS.
no there's not, don't be semantic, don't pick apart the specific word I used. It's illegal, forbidden, not recommended, against the rules. If blizzard catches you, they can ban you. They might choose not to, they might not catch you. but they could. End of story.
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On January 26 2012 05:25 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 05:05 MasterOfChaos wrote:
There is a difference between being illegal, and just violating bnet ToS. no there's not, don't be semantic, don't pick apart the specific word I used. It's illegal, forbidden, not recommended, against the rules. If blizzard catches you, they can ban you. They might choose not to, they might not catch you. but they could. End of story.
There is a difference. It is not against the law and therefore is not illegal. It is against the ToS, and thus against the rules.
This is not a (pardon the French) HUGE MOTHERFUCKING DEAL. This is a problem, both people were in the wrong, but it doesn't deserve an explosion of rage.
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I've PMd him to stop advertising leveling up accounts on his stream before.
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On January 26 2012 05:25 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 05:05 MasterOfChaos wrote:
There is a difference between being illegal, and just violating bnet ToS. no there's not, don't be semantic, don't pick apart the specific word I used. It's illegal, forbidden, not recommended, against the rules. If blizzard catches you, they can ban you. They might choose not to, they might not catch you. but they could. End of story.
According to bnet ToS, you aren't allowed to use the colour enhancer thing that people like -orb- use, or use the medic main menu pic, and yet Browder has said he is fine with the colour and nobody has been banned yet for the medic.
Bnet ToS isn't the be all end all to being right or wrong.
Edit: also, sorry to be pedantic, but there is a difference between steam sniping and stream cheating. Because both aren't considered good practice, most people in the community to talk about them enough for the two definitions to be well defined/understood.
Steam sniping = watching a stream so you know when the streamer is starting a game, and clicking "find match" at the same time in order to get a higher chance of playing them (assuming roughly equal ranking/MMR).
Steam cheating = watching a stream while playing so that you can know what they are doing and counter it easily without scouting.
You can do both at the same time, but you don't have to. I know people, especially when MC was on EU ladder before HSC, who attempted to snipe, but none of them would dream of stream cheating.
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On January 26 2012 04:28 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 04:25 PenguinWithNuke wrote:
Wait a sec, did you say that the other guy stream sniped Dragon? If he did, he got what was coming to him...
Nice logic, OP. More or less, as he realized he wasn't playing against the real owner of the account and it was actually Dragon he said he would stream snipe...The chat went nuts and was making fun of the guy really hardcore. The chat seemed to have forgotten that Dragon himself was caught stream sniping himself. It just all seemed hypocritical. He wouldn't have stream cheated if it had been the actual user using the account. I wonder how many other pros/grandmaster players level accounts. I've had some games in which I'm confused..I mean I get utterly destroyed and wonder, how is he still in gold?
WTF. If the guy stream sniped Dragon then he WANTED to play vs dragon. And now you are crying about it for him because he got his ass kicked? Also, how is a low level SC player having a chance to play vs a pro such a bad thing? I would love to play vs him. I'd get my ass kicked but it would be fun. if you are a diamond level player and the only reason you play the game is to win, you're doing it wrong imo.
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The fact that people have forgiven a maphacker/streamcheater that promised to never play in tournaments again because he makes silly faces on steam is disgusting enough.
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It's against blizzards ToS to level accounts for money, they will ban it if they see it. It's also frowned upon a lot by community
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I think the OP is mixing up stream sniping (queuing up at the same time as a streamer in order to play them) and stream cheating (having a streamer's stream open while playing them, which doesn't necessarily include stream sniping). I see a few people getting confused by that.
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On January 26 2012 07:23 Odal wrote:
The fact that people have forgiven a maphacker/streamcheater that promised to never play in tournaments again because he makes silly faces on steam is disgusting enough.
Well, he still can't play in tournaments... I don't know what you mean by forgiven = disgusting. There are tons of pros who used to do shady things, and over time the community accepted them again. TT1 springs to mind. DesRow. Lots of people.
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Wow there are some people who like to hold grudges here. I am totally for allowing people to level up accounts. It lets idiots realize that they gain nothing from it, as if you are bronze and suddenly grandmaster, you will undoubtedly go back to bronze. I fail to see why dragon is at fault here (besides the technical rules). He got stream sniped and then bmed, so he decided to BM back. I also fail to see why people are so immature as to hold grudges for what he did in the past. People make mistakes and they learn from them. If he does it again however, then we can start to blame him.
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what dragon does is against blizzards tos and to be completely honest he should be banned from the game for doing it
didnt read the thread so i didnt see people are discussing this already but yeah
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Sad to say there are sites out there that promotes boosting account for money. I guess people are stupid enough to pay so they can get their silver league account to master, so they can show it off to their friends lol. Seems like Dragon has stopped boosting accounts (maybe got warned or someone told him that was a Bannable Offense).
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On January 26 2012 04:21 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 04:02 acrimoneyius wrote:
I used to think it was hilarious because the people he would play were also fans of him. It's all in good fun for the most part.
I do agree it's a little shitty when the other person just wants a fair match on ladder. To be fair, people BM all the time and facing higher competition occasionally is good for you, cause it gives you more concrete examples of what you can and can't do in your builds. His BM can be really funny sometimes cause his english is so bad and he mostly just does the "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ EZ" shit.
Having said that, I stopped watching him after a while when realizing it's practically all he did. I got he intrigued at first cause he gave Nestea a run for his money in the 2nd open season, and he had some really serious practice sessions. Also his understanding/consistancy of building placement is second to none.
Vibe would agree. He said on his stream last night: "I'm going to break his little fucking fortification"-- made me lol. It's more or less annoying. At first I thought it was funny, but for the past week or so it is all he does. As for "practice", I don't think you can practice against him because of timings and such, not to mention he isn't doing any "build" orders. He's just messing around, which throws off the other player. :shrug: It just frustrates me that he's getting paid to do this. I come from the FPS world, in which when this stuff happens you get banned. If you were caught smurfing etc you'd be finished.
I would equate the ladder to a simple pick up game in any FPS.
Honestly, you don't get mad at that guy in Battlefield 3 (whos team happens to be on top of the TWL 4v4 ladder) for dominating you. Nor do you tell him he has no right to be on that server with you.
Now if Dragon was entering Bronze-Gold tournaments, and trolling players that would be a big deal.
Also, I just want to point out top FPS teams smurf on GamersPortal all the time when they're looking for a scrim.
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HuK got bitched at by Blizzard for playing on someone else account and I don't see any reason why this dude should be doing the same and getting paid to level up accounts is some shady shit for a guy hoping to break into the competitive scene. If I was in charge of a team and heard a prospective player was leveling someones shit to make spare cash I wouldn't think twice about saying no.
Don't think it would be as big of a deal but since he's streaming it than I think its an issue, smashing diamond players for fun instead of training to get better? Doesn't sound like someone with high ambitions for progamming to me.
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So just to make sure I understand this. Dragon got stream sniped by a random person who the went on to BM Dragon. This makes Dragon a bad person because he was BM as well? This person obviously knew that he was attempting to snipe someone that was most likely better than him at SC2.
Unless my reading comprehension shit the bed, your saying that a rank 7 diamond player was FORCED to play Dragon, but then you state that he stream sniped Dragon INTENTIONALLY?
Also, what is your proof that he has been leveling up accounts for money? Call me ignorant if there is proof he is doing such, but making accusations that he is without providing proof is just bashing Dragon.
Could it be that you were the rank 7 diamond that sniped him?
Does anyone agree with me, or am I taking this too far? Am I over-analyzing this?
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On January 26 2012 19:21 CrazyAsian wrote:
So just to make sure I understand this. Dragon got stream sniped by a random person who the went on to BM Dragon. This makes Dragon a bad person because he was BM as well? This person obviously knew that he was attempting to snipe someone that was most likely better than him at SC2.
Unless my reading comprehension shit the bed, your saying that a rank 7 diamond player was FORCED to play Dragon, but then you state that he stream sniped Dragon INTENTIONALLY?
Also, what is your proof that he has been leveling up accounts for money? Call me ignorant if there is proof he is doing such, but making accusations that he is without providing proof is just bashing Dragon.
Could it be that you were the rank 7 diamond that sniped him?
Does anyone agree with me, or am I taking this too far? Am I over-analyzing this?
Of course your over-analyzing ... your a crazy Asian after all...
Your post is actually one of the better ones on this topic.
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Oh thank you for another one of these threads, it's been too long. I'm lol'ing hard here eating some pasta, please keep it up.
On January 26 2012 04:21 ranshaked wrote:
I come from the FPS world, in which when this stuff happens you get banned. If you were caught smurfing etc you'd be finished.
Ah..... AHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't even... just lol. Moar please!
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On January 26 2012 04:21 ranshaked wrote:
I come from the FPS world, in which when this stuff happens you get banned. If you were caught smurfing etc you'd be finished.
banned from what, someone's shitty server they bought from artofwar? lol
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On January 26 2012 20:28 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 04:21 ranshaked wrote:
I come from the FPS world, in which when this stuff happens you get banned. If you were caught smurfing etc you'd be finished. banned from what, someone's shitty server they bought from artofwar? lol
I think he's mixing ladder with competitive play. No reason to be a dick though.
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I'd say the problem is him being to open about leveling up the accounts.
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Dragon probably shouldn't stream the leveling cause its against Blizz TOS I think, but otherwise I don't see the problem, and its hilarious when he smashes people in diamond :D.
But yes this is another case of TL kids taking things too serious, just chill out brah.
On January 26 2012 03:24 ranshaked wrote:
1) What dragon is doing is ILLEGAL.
I'm sure the feds will be coming after him soon.
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I have no problem with it. It's his choice to basically entertain rather than do anything on the pro scene. His stream is fun to watch but that's about it.
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I'm not sure what the fascination is with Dragon. Great player? No doubt. What big live events has he played in? He just trolls the NA/Americas server. I turn on his stream and might be a laugh once in a while but I feel like its for diamond players and lower. He's obviously taken the 'I'll be a pro by making stream revenues' as compared to actually winning big live events.
Is there anything wrong with that? I guess not, heck he'll probably make more money than me this year. However I just think its lame that he is leveling accounts. Guess he just wants money but he's really wasting his SC2 talent.
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People did this for Halo 3, ALOT. Most recently people would put smiley faces to mean they are boosters (boosting a teammate who is paying them in team slayer) or frowny faces for derankers (lowering the boosters rate so they can boost up another paying customer). There was SO much of this that I can't even play Halo 3 online anymore, so many 50's have been boosted and are not good.
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On January 28 2012 00:02 Nizzy wrote:
I'm not sure what the fascination is with Dragon. Great player? No doubt. What big live events has he played in? He just trolls the NA/Americas server. I turn on his stream and might be a laugh once in a while but I feel like its for diamond players and lower. He's obviously taken the 'I'll be a pro by making stream revenues' as compared to actually winning big live events.
Is there anything wrong with that? I guess not, heck he'll probably make more money than me this year. However I just think its lame that he is leveling accounts. Guess he just wants money but he's really wasting his SC2 talent.
He played Nestea @Open Season 3 and he wanted to compete @different code a qualifiers but could not attend because of work obligations.
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On January 28 2012 00:02 Nizzy wrote:
I'm not sure what the fascination is with Dragon. Great player? No doubt. What big live events has he played in? He just trolls the NA/Americas server. I turn on his stream and might be a laugh once in a while but I feel like its for diamond players and lower. He's obviously taken the 'I'll be a pro by making stream revenues' as compared to actually winning big live events.
Is there anything wrong with that? I guess not, heck he'll probably make more money than me this year. However I just think its lame that he is leveling accounts. Guess he just wants money but he's really wasting his SC2 talent.
Who are you to comment if Dragon is wasting his talent? You said you barely even watch his stream so how do you know if he has talent or not?
In my opinion Dragon probably makes more money from his stream than alot of pros do from their salary and tournaments. Im talking about mid to low tier pros heere obviously.
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On January 26 2012 19:21 CrazyAsian wrote:
So just to make sure I understand this. Dragon got stream sniped by a random person who the went on to BM Dragon. This makes Dragon a bad person because he was BM as well? This person obviously knew that he was attempting to snipe someone that was most likely better than him at SC2.
Unless my reading comprehension shit the bed, your saying that a rank 7 diamond player was FORCED to play Dragon, but then you state that he stream sniped Dragon INTENTIONALLY?
Also, what is your proof that he has been leveling up accounts for money? Call me ignorant if there is proof he is doing such, but making accusations that he is without providing proof is just bashing Dragon.
Could it be that you were the rank 7 diamond that sniped him?
Does anyone agree with me, or am I taking this too far? Am I over-analyzing this?
Exactly my sentiments.
IF YOU STREAM SNIPE AND BM SOMEONE, YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED TO BE ASSRAPED BY THE STREAM CHAT.
You're asking for it.
I don't know if I can find any particular evidence that Dragon is leveling accounts, but Chill commented that he was. So I guess he was. I don't really mind, because it's harmless. It might violate the ToS but that's Blizzard's problem.
Also, if you stream snipe someone, you're not being forced to play them...
I seriously hope that OP is the rank 7 diamond player. That would make my day.
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I would be honoured to play against pro player  . And i have nothing against levelling up other's account for money, if it's illegal than blizzard should do something about it.
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i enjoy dragon's stream, but it does get boring watching him stomp NA players. occasionally there are some pretty great games, though. obviously, he gets more viewers than other (better) koreans because he's pretty darn entertaining.
SUCCESS *eyebrow wag* cracks me up every time
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shit OP, where were you when I was getting blown to andromeda every other game on iCCup by B+ koreans?
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On January 26 2012 03:31 GARO wrote:
He stream sniped dragon and its dragon's fault he had to play him? The hell am i reading?
i thought the same thing. of course it is fair that the diamond player played dragon! he freaking stream sniped him! im shocked that the OP cannot understand this.
btw dragon fiasco? can you link me the "fiasco" you are talking about? the last i read it was just dragon leaving slayers due to school and career obligations.
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On January 28 2012 06:55 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 03:31 GARO wrote:
He stream sniped dragon and its dragon's fault he had to play him? The hell am i reading? i thought the same thing. of course it is fair that the diamond player played dragon! he freaking stream sniped him! im shocked that the OP cannot understand this. btw dragon fiasco? can you link me the "fiasco" you are talking about? the last i read it was just dragon leaving slayers due to school and career obligations.
hrm.. my reading comprehension tells me that he was forced to play Dragon in a game, knew who he played afterwards and THEN , for a 2nd game, stream sniped him to BM him for kicking low level asses for fun.
Anyway, this is pretty much a lose/lose situation to me. Smurfing accounts for money and making fun of lower level players without a chance is stupid in my eyes, getting heated up and starting to get really insulting/racist just as much (or even more).
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Man, this took off...I mixed up stream sniping, my apologies. He didn't stream snipe.
Anyway, he's back at it...Trolling the hell out of the NA....
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lol, this thread is funny. For one, ladder is supposed to be practice so why does rank matter in the first place? if your in diamond... your in diamond.... doesnt matter if your rank 1 or 80. Dragon is mainly doing this because most of his viewers beg him to troll lower leagues and give him accounts to do so. None of the twitch staff has a problem with it. Hell, they watch it and enjoy it as it entertains them. I completely understand why dragon is charging people to level up accounts. Its good business. For a while he was doing it for free but not to level up accounts, he was just doing it to entertain his viewers. its all for fun man, dont take it so seriously. You almost make yourself sound like one of those old people who thought SOPA was a good thing (as far as your comprehension of the situation).
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On January 26 2012 03:24 ranshaked wrote:
After the fiasco with Dragon leaving slayers, I've noticed that he's been leveling accounts up for money. I'm not quite sure if other professional players do this as well, but I feel incredibly against this.
Just recently on his stream a rank 7 diamond player was forced to play Dragon. He stream sniped Dragon, and then BM'ed Dragon until the end of the game. Dragon continuously taunted him, starting the game off by going 3 nexus. I had hoped that the chat would be upset at Dragon, but they all went on a rant against the other player. Was it fair that he had to play Dragon? NO! It isn't fair. It only hurts your ladder play. You don't gain anything by playing Dragon, aside from being embarrassed and taunted continuously.
1) What dragon is doing is ILLEGAL.
2) Dragon was caught cheating before slayers, so how can anyone be mad at anyone that BM's him.
3) It isn't fair to be sub masters and have to play against Dragon because you will lose over and over.
It's as if an MLB player was playing with a bunch of little leaguers...It just isn't right, or fair. The game is supposed to be fun, but if you're being BM'd by a professional player, it is discouraging to play.
Or, when you're in an FPS game (say call of duty) and you're supposed to play against a team on your level (say your team is cevo M or O) and the other team is cevo M, but a cevo P team smurfs under a different name to make money. It's not good for starcraft, and it isn't good for any game.
I hope that Blizzard can somehow fix this issue and ban Dragon from doing this because if I had to play him I'd be upset. I want to play people at my skill level, or slightly above. You will not get better by playing him over and over. I cannot understand how Dragon fan boys can support him while he does this
Does anyone agree with me, or am I taking this too far? Am I over-analyzing this?
On a side note:
I get my new laptop in less than two weeks and I'll finally be able to play! It's been almost 4 months now since I've played any game!
ur a hater gtfo
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Wait....this doesnt make any sense to me...so this guy stream sniped dragon, trying to play against dragon and getting a free win by stream cheating or wanting to play dragon, probaby not the latter as he was bming dragon. Then u go on and say that dragon is the bad guy WHAT?! super confused here can u plz help explain a bit more unless u just personally hate on dragon....
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All I see stupid about this are the people who pay him to level their accounts. What are they getting out of it? Who can they even tell about it, as they won't be able to prove to anyone they are actually GM, high masters, or w/e rank he got them to? Tbh, if I got smurfed by Dragon, I wouldn't even know. All I would know is that someone outright raped me and I could learn things from it.
On January 29 2012 08:30 Shock710 wrote:
Wait....this doesnt make any sense to me...so this guy stream sniped dragon, trying to play against dragon and getting a free win by stream cheating or wanting to play dragon, probaby not the latter as he was bming dragon. Then u go on and say that dragon is the bad guy WHAT?! super confused here can u plz help explain a bit more unless u just personally hate on dragon....
No. People pay Dragon to rank up their accounts to masters or GM or w/e. He's saying that even with stream sniping, he has no chance against Dragon, who is top 8 GM in NA. He's just complaining about the fact that it's unfair for random diamond, low masters players to get utterly destroyed, and that if they BM, they get played with by Dragon's own BM and chat.
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Since he cant be judged in court for it it isn't illegal. It might break the user agreement to blizzard but it isn't illegal.
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The OP is quite confused - what Dragon is doing is certainly not illegal (illegal implies criminal activity) - but it's certainly against the Blizzard ToS and bannable. Alot of people do things against the ToS (account sharing for convenience) but if Dragon is leveling accounts, it certainly goes in the shady side of things.
I've never liked Dragon all that much, and if this is the sort of things he's doing (leveling accounts, trolling), it's unsurprising that he's not in Slayers anymore.
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lol I've leveled a few names on NA and EU. It's fun. There's nothing wrong with what he did. 2k+ people get enjoyment from watching him triple CC before rax or something else stupid.
He's an entertainer, and he entertains. Like a noob would complain of playing a pro gamer? You know how many times I've bragged about LOSING to someone? C'mon.
lol, this thread is funny. For one, ladder is supposed to be practice so why does rank matter in the first place? if your in diamond... your in diamond.... doesnt matter if your rank 1 or 80. Dragon is mainly doing this because most of his viewers beg him to troll lower leagues and give him accounts to do so. None of the twitch staff has a problem with it. Hell, they watch it and enjoy it as it entertains them. I completely understand why dragon is charging people to level up accounts. Its good business. For a while he was doing it for free but not to level up accounts, he was just doing it to entertain his viewers. its all for fun man, dont take it so seriously. You almost make yourself sound like one of those old people who thought SOPA was a good thing (as far as your comprehension of the situation).
preach.
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