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After 300 matches, I have risen from Bronze to Silver. It's not much, and I part of me kind of feel like I did not earn it because the match was laggy as hell, although at least I was the one who experienced the lag the worst as it affected even my simple clicks.
On top of that, my match was a PvZ, which is by far my weakest matchup thus far. Forge fast expand was his build and I was kind of under the impression he would cannon rush me so instead of getting a hatch, I thought of just making 6 zerglings to counter attack, which did not give me the best results, but at the very least, I got some information out of the Zerg. And from my experience with Protoss, they usually go for an air attack after a FFE, which would leave me to contend against Void Rays, Carriers and a Mothership.
And because of that, I went for Mutalisks this time which I used to check if there are any other expos I can take out while at the same time, give my units the upgrades they need.
Once I maxed out my army, it was time I attempted to lure the Protoss to me. He had Zealots, Stalkers and Immortals, and I got a fully upgraded crackling army waiting for him and some Ultralisks in production. I was quite surprised that I got a promotion after that and I squealed so loud at how far I have come (and I am kind of tired of the Bronze medal anyway)
Here's a replay. I hope I can get some feedback from you guys:
http://sc2rep.net/replays/z-docnemesis-vs-p-tripleseven-antiga-shipyard-19-01-antiga-shipyard-01-19-2012
  
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Keep in mind that your promotion wasn't just based on that last game, but instead on many games leading up to that point! So don't worry that the one game that gave you the "official" promotion notification wasn't super badass 
Congratulations on making it to silver! 
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Congratulations on your promotion
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WoW, not its time to play with the big boys :D ♥bronzies♥
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Congratulations! :-) Keep it up!
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why would you one star this blog
why
anyway, awesome work the promotion, keep it up! I was in bronze dec 2010, now I'm in plat. keep it up man
oh and in zvp just mass roach, you can't go wrong with that : D
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Cheers on silver and the effort it took to get there. Sounds like your putting thought into your play and thats always a good feeling when it gets you wins. Keep going strong sir or madam!
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
Congratz on promotion (:
Il post analysis as i watch, just a ton of thoughts on stuff you can do better, sorry if im a bit harsh 0.o:
Your first drone wasnt started until 6 seconds into the game, if you start drone then split at a fast speed you can have the command to create drone and also 3-3 split before the timer hits 0:01, which isnt all too important, but a 6 second delay on the first drone is significant enough to affect some of your timings.
Your opening was weird with 9scout (which isnt really neccesary, but is great in lower leagues etc) because you then went 10gas, cancelled, built up to 11 drones, THEN built an overlord. You should 9overlord, and if you do extractor trick (which is a different opener), you are meant to overlord on 10, before creating and cancelling the extractor for the next drone. The way you did it is kinda just messed up and not good for anything.
After that you chose not to go gas-pool, which is an ok choice, but i wouldnt reccomend it at lower levels of play (sub like diamond) because ling speed can help out an awful lot that early. You can pull drones off gas at 100 and just get ling speed to be much safer. You shouldnt be going hatch first vs protoss, so you dont have to worry about cannons.
You ran 5 of your 6 lings into his expansion when you knew he was going forge first (ffe) and had atleast 1 cannon defending, so you lost all of them without really doing anything, and had to make 6 more + a spine crawler which will cut you down 6 drones at a time when you had only 16 drones and a second hatchery - over a third of your economy sacrificed over such a simple thing.
You often had idle larvae around 6-7 minutes (massively hurting your economy) and started breaking down the rocks defending your own third, not sure why there.
At 7:10 you had 25 drones, 11 larvae, and were supply blocked with no overlord on the way. Im pretty sure if you played "optimally" you could have very close to if not double this drone count. Many things adding up to it.
Your third base was very late after this, simply put, a large part of the reason (and a metagame evolution) of 3 hatch response to FFE was getting the hatch at like 4-5 minutes, because if you get it later, he will just kill it with a void ray if he goes FFE into stargate properly.
Your spire was a little late after your lair finished, and when you got it (8:20) you only had 29 drones. I know from practice that you can have third base up, 50 drones, and a smallish roach ling force at this point in time. You had no scouting information other than he had FFE'd and was on 2+ gas, so he could have flat out killed you with more than a few timings at this point without competition, you just didnt have enough information on what he is doing. The changeling scout was great, but the information came far too late to save your ass if you was being hit by anything, even a well executed harassment move could have flat out killed you without too many issues.
At the 10 minute mark you had 56 supply. You wasnt really messed with at all, this is unacceptable.
You didnt rally a lot of your mutas, and were harassing with a small group when you had a ton more etc, numbers are very important with mutalisks and they scale really well, so make sure you dont have 10 of your first 15-20 sat idle at rally points while you harass. You lost 4 of these and almost 2 more because you left them idle at a bad position, which is enough to really turn a game around, considering this was your first group of mutas (and you made quite a few). Your future muta engages were a bit weird, but its very hard to draw any conclusions on anything because he built 14 cannons to defend 2 bases while having a stalker army, im not entirely sure of the best way to react to that with muta style other than having a massive amount of production with your economy advantage to win whatever fight may happen with a re-max.
At 17 minutes you had 3.1k / 1.3k resources, which is really not excusable, you missed some 45 larvae from inject timings at this point, a lot more through hatcheries not producing larvae with 3 idle, and didnt have macro hatches in place or a queen at your fourth, which is a big macro issue that needs to be worked out to progress more, pretty common issue, the fact that this happened at 140 supply however is completely inexcusable and will mess you up badly even at the lower leagues, where these kinds of mistakes are very common (even in diamond it is common to float a ton around supply cap without proper production or transitions etc in place)
TL;DR Scout earlier and better and macro better, hit injects, dont forget queens, add macro hatches if you ever pass like 1k minerals (even 3-5+ hatches with a queen each) check rally points often after setting them, dont throw away early lings for no reason. Its a good place to start.
You should also be less scared of some stuff, you seemed worried about a lot of things he COULD have done, when in reality they dont happen in every game - "they usually go for an air attack after a FFE, which would leave me to contend against Void Rays, Carriers and a Mothership." sounds kinda weird, as stargate pressure from FFE is far from certain and very very different to carrier or mothership play generally, and if you are making that link it is probably just bad play on the other players end. But in general, if you scout as much as possible, be aware of what he CANT be doing from what information you have, and prepare adequatly for everything else, you should be good. You should also be aware that if a timing attack ex 6gate is designed to hit around 8 minutes, he can still hit you later than 8 minutes, but it will be a sucky 6gate. There is always a lot to improve on, you can look up Day9 if you havnt already (some of that advice relayed from him) or watch more pro games, but you seem to have a basic idea of what you are doing, just have an issue with lots of small things snowballing into a massive issue with macro, which is pretty standard at almost all levels of play below like high masters.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299094
^This thread shows you can max before 11 minutes on pure drones, and im quite sure you can do it notably earlier if you build a lot of roaches too, as an example.
Good luck (:
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haha, so cute blog! congratulations!
You know what, I'll have a look at the game and see if I can give you some hints of what part of your mechanics you can focus on.
edit: actually, already looking at the game in sc2gears, I dont understand what you are doing in silver... 159 apm, pretty dense hotkey recall on your hatcheries, pretty good inject density, at least up to around 10 minutes. What server is this?
I'll have a look at the actual game now.
- you drone scout crazy early (was it 9?) and then you go a safe 14 pool 15 hatch (though 14,16 was standard btw) anyways. Why do you scout so early? What are you looking for that will make you play differently? i think you can scout much later (or not at all if you find him with OL) and get your pool and hatch up faster.
- you build 6 lings as soon as pool is done, and run by his (horrible) wall, forcing an extra cannon. You also build another 6 lings later on that you let sit at your natural, and also put down a spine. The runby with the first 6 is nice, but you kindof rely on his bad wall. I think it is better practice to assume that his wall is decent, and leave it at 2 or 4 lings, and then drone. That is a lot of resources that should be drones and a third. You are keeping track of him with the OL, so you see that there is no threat of zealot pressure that a queen (together with a few extra lings if you see him leave the base) can't handle. at 7 min (apart from being supply blocked) you have 10 larva that you dont have money to use. With only 2 lings and no spine, most of those would have been drones.
- due to above, at like 7.45 when you get unsupply blocked, you have like 17 larva, and 450 minerals. You build 3 drones. all those larva should become drones asap. have all your hatches on one hotkey. (for example, remap the "0" hotkey to "space" and put all your hatches there. then just go space-s-*hold down d*)
- you go to 4 gas from 27 drones. that would leave you with 27-12 = 15 drones on minerals? Make sure to get your drone number up before taking a lot of gas, otherwise you will have so little mineral income that you will be effectively all-in.
- always have a zergling outside his base, so you get the "were under attack" message as soon as he leaves.
- in general, you seem to only spend the larva at your main. make sure to put all hatcheries on ONE hotkey, and you can spend all your larva at once. Your macro would have been very VERY different if you had done that this game.
Then you minerals go up to kindof high, but you manage to contain the toss two his two bases (or rather, he chose not to leave. dont think you couldve stopped him if he would, at east not after you lost most of your mutas when you left them too close to his base) while you go up to 3 (4), and you eventually kill his (move-command...) stalker-immortal army with mass lings. Fine. I think you got the mechanics to go to plat at least (based on euro server) if you juwst hotkey your hatcheries, and really jump on those larva as soon as they get out. Aslo, dont build any lings early on unless you got a very good reason to do so. You get supply blocked a few times, but well... that will come with training I guess. try to look at your resource number (min, gas, supply) every time you build anything.
glgl.
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Good job man! The first hurdle is often the hardest.
Just a tip for your post though, always say your race first to let the audience know what race you are from the beggining. So say, ZvP, not PvZ (Protoss is awesome but not so awesome they always need to be said first) Then while explaining your failed "poke" with your first 6 lings you say, "which did not give me the best results, but at the very least, I got some information out of the Zerg."
I think you meant you got some info out of the protoss, if he was also Zerg, then such a poke could get info out of the zerg. So you just mixed those little things up that made the blog a little harder to read. Not a big deal, again what's important is, "good job on the promotion!"
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YAYYY. What a great blog. Not many people write about these small achievements - everyone else is talking about their pride at getting into masters, and there are so many comments about any player below masters being a scrub. But then comes a cute little bronze player who made it to silver lol :D. Well congratulations, I hope you enjoy your rank. It must be pretty cool to know you're better than a whole swath of bronze players .
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On January 20 2012 01:58 Cascade wrote:haha, so cute blog! congratulations! You know what, I'll have a look at the game and see if I can give you some hints of what part of your mechanics you can focus on. edit: actually, already looking at the game in sc2gears, I dont understand what you are doing in silver... 159 apm, pretty dense hotkey recall on your hatcheries, pretty good inject density, at least up to around 10 minutes. What server is this? I'll have a look at the actual game now. - you drone scout crazy early (was it 9?) and then you go a safe 14 pool 15 hatch (though 14,16 was standard btw) anyways. Why do you scout so early? What are you looking for that will make you play differently? i think you can scout much later (or not at all if you find him with OL) and get your pool and hatch up faster. - you build 6 lings as soon as pool is done, and run by his (horrible) wall, forcing an extra cannon. You also build another 6 lings later on that you let sit at your natural, and also put down a spine. The runby with the first 6 is nice, but you kindof rely on his bad wall. I think it is better practice to assume that his wall is decent, and leave it at 2 or 4 lings, and then drone. That is a lot of resources that should be drones and a third. You are keeping track of him with the OL, so you see that there is no threat of zealot pressure that a queen (together with a few extra lings if you see him leave the base) can't handle. at 7 min (apart from being supply blocked) you have 10 larva that you dont have money to use. With only 2 lings and no spine, most of those would have been drones. - due to above, at like 7.45 when you get unsupply blocked, you have like 17 larva, and 450 minerals. You build 3 drones. all those larva should become drones asap. have all your hatches on one hotkey. (for example, remap the "0" hotkey to "space" and put all your hatches there. then just go space-s-*hold down d*) - you go to 4 gas from 27 drones. that would leave you with 27-12 = 15 drones on minerals? Make sure to get your drone number up before taking a lot of gas, otherwise you will have so little mineral income that you will be effectively all-in. - always have a zergling outside his base, so you get the "were under attack" message as soon as he leaves. - in general, you seem to only spend the larva at your main. make sure to put all hatcheries on ONE hotkey, and you can spend all your larva at once. Your macro would have been very VERY different if you had done that this game. Then you minerals go up to kindof high, but you manage to contain the toss two his two bases (or rather, he chose not to leave. dont think you couldve stopped him if he would, at east not after you lost most of your mutas when you left them too close to his base) while you go up to 3 (4), and you eventually kill his (move-command...) stalker-immortal army with mass lings. Fine. I think you got the mechanics to go to plat at least (based on euro server) if you juwst hotkey your hatcheries, and really jump on those larva as soon as they get out. Aslo, dont build any lings early on unless you got a very good reason to do so. You get supply blocked a few times, but well... that will come with training I guess. try to look at your resource number (min, gas, supply) every time you build anything. glgl.
I kind of thought drone scouting at 9 was kind of standard for months. At the time, I just wanted to know where the heck my opponent is. If it were on a map like Xel"naga, I really do not need a drone scout because the Overlord can give me the information I need
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United States7639 Posts
Congrats! It took me like, 3 weeks before I made it to silver. Bronze is just a tough place to be T__T
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On January 20 2012 02:44 radscorpion9 wrote:YAYYY. What a great blog. Not many people write about these small achievements - everyone else is talking about their pride at getting into masters, and there are so many comments about any player below masters being a scrub. But then comes a cute little bronze player who made it to silver lol :D. Well congratulations, I hope you enjoy your rank. It must be pretty cool to know you're better than a whole swath of bronze players .
At this point, it's a good start. Least I got the basics right.
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from silver to gold isn't difficult at all. I remember it took me a month to get out from bronze and only like 2 weeks to gold.
But from then on, it gets harder, for zerg, you gotta improve your decision making a lot better.
zvz will become your nightmare, trust me
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When you win, you keep winning, and then all of a sudden you are in Master League.
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