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Italy12247 Posts
Hello!
So for my birthday my lovely lovely girlfriend got me a Razer Arctosa and Abyssus. Considering that before i was playing with this (more or less, plus a random mouse just as old. Scrollwheel doesn`t work anymore on that):
http://www.dansdata.com/images/clicky2/spacesaver1280.jpg
it`s a hell of an improvement. Some buttons barely worked and i had to hit them REALLY hard for the hotkey to work. However, it also means that the new keyboard with smooth and well-working keys for now feels wierd as hell and my mechanics and macro have gone to shit, so while i practice i have decided to pull some bw builds in custom games for the luls. If i have to play like crap i might as well look insane/baller while doing it. Seriously it`s crazy how different it is, i have lost like 30 APM because sometimes i just sit there going "jeez this feels so wierd!"
I plan on trying and battle reporting the following:
PvZ
Sair/Reaver (turning it into phoenix/speed prism). It will be awful but whatever.
4gate 2archon +1chargelot.
2gate expand into double stargate +1 phoenixes.
PvT
15 nex into 2base carrier. Yell JANGBI OSL CHAMPION if i ever win a game with this.
DT drop, double expo and then get a mothership and templar. Pretend the mothership is an arbiter and recall around because yes.
4gate with 3 proxied if i ever run into gassless FE, just because NonY/Tyler is a badass.
PvP:
The manly Sayle build, 14 nex, 2gate zealot, then get dt`s, take a third when you still have no freakin units and then go zealot/archon. Might throw in some storms for good measure. If i can pull this one build off i will be the happiest man ever.
Something with speed warp prisms and colossi.
3gate (5gate?) chargelot.
2gate opening into whatever. I guess dt expanding, or mass zealots of 4-5 gateways.
Any other suggestions? I might try it for Terran and Zerg too, i`ll see.
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Gundamrush
2fac (1 with tech-lab and the 2nd with a reactor) and also reactor on the rax
push with 10 marines, 2 tanks and rally hellions.
This used to be a very viable strategy (SjoW beat UnderDark with it for instance) Not too sure it still works
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I've tried the bisu build PvZ in SC2, but roaches...
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5 hatch hydra zvp? Probably won't work but w/e 
Also, 3 hatch muta, or some build that gets out 9 mutas all at once.
Deep six.
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Try harassing with a Colo like a reaver, into two-base carrier (:
BTW while Razer gear is nice, and old stuff get's old/worn, I much prefer the old Dell Keyboards to anything for playing RTS, the keys are nice to touch, have a dynamic movement, and most importantly, you can palm the left ctrl key (FU laptops that can't). Then again, I am one to collect Logitech Mini Opticals (6 woot) so just my 2 cents.
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I tried Phoenix SO much in PvZ ever since release pretty much, but at the end of the day dependency on Sentries and Zerg having Roaches shuts down so much of the BW PvZ style. 
Edit: split Templar tech too.
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Italy12247 Posts
I remember the NSHoseo Protosses doing something really similar to a BW PvZ build, so it can`t be that bad. Honestly i don`t care if the builds i use are viable or not, i will suck regardless so whatever.
Worst case scenario, i go double robo immortal and pretend they are goons :D
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The DT drop one will either be instawin or instaloss. ^^;
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You should do the SK Terran style in TvZ, where you fast expand and go only marines and medi... oh wait.
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in the Last 1000 PvP's i have watched ive never seen someone take a third. Its 70% 1 base, 30% 2 base.
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On January 19 2012 00:03 Garm wrote:
You should do the SK Terran style in TvZ, where you fast expand and go only marines and medi... oh wait.
Don't forget the science ves... oh wait
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Italy12247 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:46 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:03 Garm wrote:
You should do the SK Terran style in TvZ, where you fast expand and go only marines and medi... oh wait. Don't forget the science ves... oh wait
I can always try 2port raven. So stuff to add:
2port raven tvz.
3hatch hydra zvp.
3hatch spire, get corruptors if he goes stargate otherwise get mutas, 5hatch hydra pvz.
1base muta zvz.
2fact tvp.
I guess i could also play a standard tvz, but have a starport for ravens and one for medivacs. I`ll see, plenty of builds to try already ^^
Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
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On January 19 2012 00:03 Garm wrote:
You should do the SK Terran style in TvZ, where you fast expand and go only marines and medi... oh wait.
Well, SK terran style also uses science vessels. Maybe marine/medivac/raven? Ravens could potentially be good for blowing up banelings with seeker missile (irradiate) and harassing mineral lines with autoturrets (irradiate harass on drones).
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On January 19 2012 00:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:03 Garm wrote:
You should do the SK Terran style in TvZ, where you fast expand and go only marines and medi... oh wait. Well, SK terran style also uses science vessels. Maybe marine/medivac/raven? Ravens could potentially be good for blowing up banelings with seeker missile (irradiate) and harassing mineral lines with autoturrets (irradiate harass on drones).
You irradiating defilers 'cos EMP ain't efficient on them, because they got consume. But for infestors you should use EMP, and this spell is moved to ghosts.
So, it is basically SK Terran style already.
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On January 18 2012 23:07 Teoita wrote:
PvT
15 nex into 2base carrier. Yell JANGBI OSL CHAMPION if i ever win a game with this.
yea, this build doesnt work too well 
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On January 19 2012 01:35 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 23:07 Teoita wrote:
PvT
15 nex into 2base carrier. Yell JANGBI OSL CHAMPION if i ever win a game with this. yea, this build doesnt work too well
It does versus zerg, yo
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Tbh, i've been thinking of trying the old bisu style of corsair/dt and making it phoenix/dt, i'll see how it goes ^_^
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On January 19 2012 01:35 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 23:07 Teoita wrote:
PvT
15 nex into 2base carrier. Yell JANGBI OSL CHAMPION if i ever win a game with this. yea, this build doesnt work too well
Apparently you've not seen White-ra playing recently huh?
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when I was in silver(barely transitioning from BW to sc2), I played the placement match and I didn't really know any builds, so I just tried what worked in BW on Sc2.
So.. I pick protoss. He is Terran. I see him NOT walling off, (Luna style, anyone remember this map? Hopefully one is made similar in sc2 so terran can stop playing like pussies),
I went something like 9pylon,10gate,12gas,14core,15pylon, the 'standard' response to a wall-less Terran PvT in BW. Instead of getting range and poking at his marines/scout/workers with a goon and a probe while going for a Robo or an expand, it's now... 'stalkers', which-to be honest- are just FIXED dragoons, and warp gate technology.
Oh and multiple building selection was a trip...
EDIT: Oh and before I found out about stalkers and warp gates, I would just drop gateways in 2's when I would reach 300 minerals so that both gates can finish at the same time and then I save up chrono boost and CB both gateways for a 2/3gate zeal rush.
Build order is something like 8pylon,10gate-10gate, 11pylon, 12gate. Worked against every single race, the first zealots go into a protoss base going 'standard' 9pylon, 13gate, 14gas, 15core, 16/17pylon right around when their core is being warped in, usually means insta-win for me unless the protoss went for a 10/10 gate rush too(happened like twice).
Terrans who wall-off know this kind of shit is gonna happen, so usually I rush stalkers instead of zeals, zerg tend to go for an early expansion and just making one pylon outside your main instantly sends that message to the zerg player that "oh he's going to fast expand, well me too!"
then I drop 10/10 gates and zeal rush.
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On January 19 2012 00:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:03 Garm wrote:
You should do the SK Terran style in TvZ, where you fast expand and go only marines and medi... oh wait. Well, SK terran style also uses science vessels. Maybe marine/medivac/raven? Ravens could potentially be good for blowing up banelings with seeker missile (irradiate) and harassing mineral lines with autoturrets (irradiate harass on drones).
Use missiles on mutas and save scans. Missiles also work when aimed at the Zerg army when they attack.
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I think its more important to take all the little concepts and ideas that made a broodwar build work so well and incorporate them into a starcraft 2 build to enchance that build
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