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internet trolling kicked off around 9 years ago with the influence of jeffk
trolling is "tricking people" in a nutshell. a real troll takes pleasure from NEVER BEING DISCOVERED.
an oldschool troll will act a part, often as outlandish as he can get away with, and try to interact with others without them realising that its an act
trolling has always been able to be considered "good humour/jesting/teasing" , however what sticks out in peoples minds is the maliciousness of trolls that put on an act to intentionally wreck havoc in a community or to an individual.
trolls love to push boundaries, to see what they can get away with without it being discovered that exactly what they're doing is trying to push the boundaries and get a reaction out of people. real trolls are explorers, many of them on a dark journey, sadistic, righteous, or thrill-seeking. these are the trolls people remember and loathe
a troll tricks people to generate a reaction from them. this could be something like being rude because you know they hate rudeness, or suggestion something silly because you know you can convince them to do it. if a troll successfully tricks someone it is very enjoyable and satisfying for the troll
"accidental trolling" is when a person ends up provoking reactions from people when he didn't ultimately or primarily intend to do that. a person who finds himself an accidental troll quite often will often enjoy the experience and begin to think of ways he can develop that part of his personality, through humour - albeit it is often humour is often not detected by many other people as they dont see the joke infront of them
examples of great IRL trolls:
Ali G / Borat - Standing uncomfortably close to another person and pretending not to notice
David Brent from The Office - trolls people without realising it (but we viewers can see it)
Alan Partridge - trolls people with awkward, unbelievable or shocking situations and dialogue whilst pretending it isnt unusual
i agree that it seems trolling is dying, but thats only because 95% of people have forgotten what real trolling means.
the nature of today's games makes it harder to troll (you'll see it in MMOs where people can chat/type a lot to one another and have more chance to develop more complex personalities), and you wont see much of it on tlnet anymore because people are more often than not afraid to say anything with a bit of flair incase it gets them banned.
trolling as a griefer is also very attractive, and once a troll discovers this it is easy to lose them in it. (trolling as a griefer would be putting on acts of being a bully and superior to another person - you might be the nicest guy IRL but online you will make people fear and loathe you). there is a subtle but vital difference between calling someone a cunt in an online game because you hate or disagree with them and calling them a cunt because you specifically desire to provoke a reaction from them
there are various levels of trolling as you can see - from high-level clever, convincing, subtle and secretly-hilarious trolling to low-level mindless griefing to get a quick and powerful reaction
if i were to add a poll to this thread "Do you agree with me?" i would hope now all of you would answer "No"
happy trolling
 
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If you think trolling is dying, then you might be getting trolled without your knowing. Also, I don't think trolling needs such a specific definition. For all I know, you could just be trying to troll readers with this.
also, Flair.
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I view "RL trolling" as 99% obnoxious and juvenile. Hardly ever does it result in genuine comedy.
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Man, Jeff K really takes me back...
You've nailed the definition of trolling that I've been looking for. The problem these days is people just get offended so damned easily. It's like people just prowl Team Liquid looking for something they can point at and go "my GOD, I've never been so offended in my entire life" and then proceed to shoot each other's posts down like internet dog fighting. I suppose that's the preferred way for people to amuse themselves these days.
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All "trolls" deserve to die, the difference doesn't matter.
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On January 01 2012 04:22 Lucumo wrote:
All "trolls" deserve to die, the difference doesn't matter.
In my belief, no one deserves to die. no matter what their actions are, who they hate or how they hate, death is something that robs you of your personality and knowledge, and i don't think anyone should deserve that...
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I've never heard of some of those people. Makes me wonder how good they actually are at trolling. Who's jeffk?
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On January 01 2012 05:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I've never heard of some of those people. Makes me wonder how good they actually are at trolling. Who's jeffk?
Jeff K
Jeff K is basically a very thorough parody of internet stupidity.
Borat IMO is a great example of trolling done right. It offends a few people, amuses many, and makes a point beneath all of it.
On January 01 2012 04:22 Lucumo wrote:
All "trolls" deserve to die, the difference doesn't matter.
Case in point on people being easily offended/pissed off. People like Hot_Bid have done infinitely more to entertain Team Liquid through their trolling alone than what you've ever done in your two years and three thousand posts.
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On January 01 2012 04:58 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 04:22 Lucumo wrote:
All "trolls" deserve to die, the difference doesn't matter. In my belief, no one deserves to die. no matter what their actions are, who they hate or how they hate, death is something that robs you of your personality and knowledge, and i don't think anyone should deserve that...
I obviously don't mean in real life, physically...
On January 01 2012 05:12 Newbistic wrote:
Case in point on people being easily offended/pissed off. People like Hot_Bid have done infinitely more to entertain Team Liquid through their trolling alone than what you've ever done in your two years and three thousand posts.
I'm not here to entertain anyone, why would I? Creating threads for BW games being played was the most I did and that's fine, in my opinion. Also, it's completely besides the point.
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On January 01 2012 05:12 Newbistic wrote:
Case in point on people being easily offended/pissed off. People like Hot_Bid have done infinitely more to entertain Team Liquid.
Indeed.
Hot_Bid is a good example. There are many on staff who have as well.
I've tried. Didn't always get away with it though. o:
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On January 01 2012 02:29 Coagulation wrote:
I view "RL trolling" as 99% obnoxious and juvenile. Hardly ever does it result in genuine comedy.
But the 1% (ehm, Borat) is oh so funny.
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On January 01 2012 05:12 Newbistic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 05:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I've never heard of some of those people. Makes me wonder how good they actually are at trolling. Who's jeffk? Jeff KJeff K is basically a very thorough parody of internet stupidity. Borat IMO is a great example of trolling done right. It offends a few people, amuses many, and makes a point beneath all of it. Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 04:22 Lucumo wrote:
All "trolls" deserve to die, the difference doesn't matter. Case in point on people being easily offended/pissed off. People like Hot_Bid have done infinitely more to entertain Team Liquid through their trolling alone than what you've ever done in your two years and three thousand posts.
I don't know, that jeefk guy doesn't seem very funny. Why's he a good troll?
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Thank you and intrigue for your respective threads, they are quite appreciated.
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internet trolling kicked off around 9 years ago with the influence of jeffk
Who is jeffk and what makes you think trolling didn't exist before 2001? (edit: oh, you explained who he is... that's not really inventing it so much as it is imitating a typical 12 year old with internet access)
trolling has always been able to be considered "good humour/jesting/teasing"
Also wrong. Trolling has always been about people with anonymity on the internet trying to get a rise out of people by denying the holocaust or something stupid so that someone would waste their time writing a huge essay about what a disgusting human being they are.
There have been funny forms of trolling, like blood ninja, but for the most part it was never elegant. It's on par with throwing bits of paper at someone to see if you can make them mad enough to shout at you in the middle of class. 99% of trolls never get beyond that level of tedious 'haha I did a thing and he got mad.'
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I thought this was going to be a thread about fishing, but I guess I was wrong.
People who do RL "trolling" are usually pretty dumb, it is pretty easy to achieve a troll when you do it towards people who have no clue what you are going on about. It is great to the internet for the most part, but really an inside joke in the real world that you and the people who view your "awesome" trolling video on the internet get.
The only trolling I ever did was in an mmo way back in time, when I would "Troll(fishing term)" around a zone and catch little fish and take their items. 
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I dont know about you guys but I REALLY love trolling. The internet is boring without it.
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There's only a point to trolling (if there's ever a point to trolling) when you're clever about it.
A lot of people seem to think that acting stupid is trolling. Well, yes, it annoys people. The thing is though, that when you do something a stupid person could do just as well that's not something to be proud of. Good job, you managed to act stupid. Congratulations.
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If Deezer was a normal person he would have been the greatest troll of Starcraft history. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that's legitimately his personality.
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On January 01 2012 07:23 Chef wrote:Who is jeffk and what makes you think trolling didn't exist before 2001? (edit: oh, you explained who he is... that's not really inventing it so much as it is imitating a typical 12 year old with internet access) Show nested quote +trolling has always been able to be considered "good humour/jesting/teasing" Also wrong. Trolling has always been about people with anonymity on the internet trying to get a rise out of people by denying the holocaust or something stupid so that someone would waste their time writing a huge essay about what a disgusting human being they are. There have been funny forms of trolling, like blood ninja, but for the most part it was never elegant. It's on par with throwing bits of paper at someone to see if you can make them mad enough to shout at you in the middle of class. 99% of trolls never get beyond that level of tedious 'haha I did a thing and he got mad.'
Trolling isn't just about being stupid. People are perfectly capable of being (sometimes extremely) stupid without trolling. It doesn't help that stupid people also try to mimic trolling, but hey, what can you do? Trolling is a very effective way of pointing out such stupidity.
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