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Feynman on SOPA

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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 03:56:38
December 30 2011 01:49 GMT
#1

As most people reading this post will know, we are currently embroiled in a battle against SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act), which threatens to end the internet as we know it today.

Internet heavy-users will of course be quick to bash this proposed legislation for all it's worth. But at times, the most empassioned of claims and insults will not do the job. At times, it is necessary to reframe the situation in terms that others, those of us who are not so bright on the most recent technological developments, can perhaps understand better.

In 1955, the late Richard Feynman gave a talk regarding the value of science. While the talk predated the internet by nearly half a century, I believe that Professor Feynman's closing remarks in this speech can be taken nearly word for word with respect to SOPA, and perhaps the internet's future as a whole.


We are at the very beginning of time for the human race. It is not unreasonable that we grapple with problems. But there are tens of thousands of years in the future. Our responsibility is to do what we can, learn what we can, improve the solutions, and pass them on. It is our responsibility to leave the people of the future a free hand. In the impetuous youth of humanity, we can make grave errors that can stunt our growth for a long time. This we will do if we say we have the answers now, so young and ignorant as we are. If we suppress all discussion, all criticism, proclaiming "This is the answer, my friends; man is saved!" we will doom humanity for a long time to the chains of authority, confined to the limits of our present imagination.[1] It has been done so many times before.

It is our responsibility as scientists, knowing that the great progress which comes from a satisfactory philosophy of ignorance, the great progress which is the fruit of freedom of thought, to proclaim the value of this freedom; to teach how doubt is not to be feared but welcomed and discussed; and to demand this freedom as our duty to all coming generations.

Richard Feynman
from "The Value of Science" in "What Do You Care What Other People Think?"


In these past few months, similar words have been spoken by several experts of our time regarding SOPA. But at times, the person who uttered the words and when the words were uttered can be equally as meaningful as the words themselves.

It has been over 50 years since Professor Feynman uttered the same words that our contemporaries are uttering today, once again to protect the future of scientific and technological progress.

Have we as a society not made any techno-philosophical progress in the last half century? Have we as a society failed to ensure that the decision makers be educated on technology, the most signfiicant driver of progress over the same half century? Despite our sorry state of affairs, can disaster be averted again?

One can hope.



[1]Emphasis by author.
TL.net SOPA discussion: here

Crossposted from main blog


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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 30 2011 02:37 GMT
#2
I don't understand your point here. You seem to be saying that the SOPA battle lines are drawn between people who want free speech and/or open information flow and people who want to restrict speech. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
December 30 2011 02:38 GMT
#3
I think it's pretty much established that this is just a greedy money-grabbing by industry lobbyists to stifle internet distribution and propagation channels in a bid to keep their old and outdated and business models viable despite all Darwinian evidence to the contrary. It is exactly an affront to discussion and criticism and progress.

Notice how people who actually use the internet most aren't the ones included in the lawmaking and discussion? It's an oppressive legislation proposed by uninformed politicians backed by mischievous corporate lobbyists.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 30 2011 03:08 GMT
#4
On December 30 2011 11:37 motbob wrote:
I don't understand your point here. You seem to be saying that the SOPA battle lines are drawn between people who want free speech and/or open information flow and people who want to restrict speech. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion?


because sopa's wording allows it to restrict media outlets as a whole rather than offending parts. meaning that any place that is available for free converse (and thus possibilities to upload copywritten work) is possibly under attack
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 30 2011 08:04 GMT
#5
Hey motbob,
I see a parallel between what Feynman said regarding restrictions on science and the restrictions we potentially face on the internet via SOPA, in that we are still at a stage of infancy of understanding science/internet, and that any overarching restrictions that we make on either today must bear in mind that we do not fully understand the nature or the power of either, and that we must take care not to stifle future possibility and to not "confine the limits of our present imagination", as Feynman said.

(wow, that was a long sentence!)
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 30 2011 09:02 GMT
#6
Maybe Feynman meant instead of instantly rejecting SOPA as a bad idea, we should discuss it more.

The quote sounds more like it's about keeping discussion open (like when everyone would jump on you for being unpatriotic if you criticized post 9/11 policy) rather than banning all restrictions.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 30 2011 09:07 GMT
#7
>igotmyown

I think the spirit of what you say is absolutely correct - that we should indeed have open dialogue on what should be the proper form of copyright enforcement on the internet. This, to the vast majority of technologically informed people, is not in the form of SOPA as we know it today.

Most people think that stealing IP is bad; but rushing SOPA out the door without ample discussion (which is what its backers seem hell bent on doing) is the exact opposite of what we both believe should be done here.
c0rn1
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany146 Posts
April 10 2012 20:37 GMT
#8
Amazing post!

Thank you

(physicist myself and did fail to see that Quote of feynman even though I read his lectures etc.)
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. " (Albert Einstein)
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 05:09:46
April 11 2012 05:09 GMT
#9
edit: whoops info was already in my blogpost itself :p
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