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MilAgro
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany102 Posts
December 29 2011 19:00 GMT
#1
I got degraded from Diamond to Platin with the first match of this season.
I feel like the worst player ever, because Ive been training, but lost many games and I dont know why, not even the replays help me much.
I cant figure why Iam so bad.
My aim was master, I can totally forget that for month now I think.
Can someone maybe help me?
Iam MilAgro.212 on the EU Server. Protoss.
I was signing for every practice partner thread, but noone contacted me and the ppl I contacted never had time and were not online at all.

I played Sc2 alone from the beginning, I never had a friend or a practice partner.
All my online friends kept playing MMORPGS when Sc2 caught my passion.

Ive been reading threads like "How to improve efficiently at Sc2", started playing OSU! until I was able to beat insane maps to work hard on my mouse accuracy for example.
Ive been trying alot of builds in Teamgames and trained by joining custom games (shattered temple).
Ive been watching Day9 from the first Newbe Tuesday, cause I came with no RTS experience at all.

It feels like Iam at a point where I cant help myself.
Its selfish to ask for free help. Ive been giving help to some lower league players and I know its time you maybe cant use on your own training.

I dont know, it seems like nothing is working right, I begin to fear joining ladder games, cause I could get degraded again. I dont know what to do.

*
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sc2MilAgro
Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
December 29 2011 19:08 GMT
#2
Just ladder its the best practice for someone in platinum/diamond. Don't be afraid or have anxiety, all your have to remember is that SC2 is nothing but a game!
HuK Fighting~~!
MilAgro
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany102 Posts
December 29 2011 19:23 GMT
#3
Yea its a game, but I put alot of effort into it so I cant help getting disappointed of myself. I try to improve littlem things step after step but I start to lose more games, I think I maybe have a big issue that I cant name by myself :/
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sc2MilAgro
phoenixfeather95
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
665 Posts
December 29 2011 19:25 GMT
#4
Hi,
I sometimes have the same feeling as you T.T
My only advice is to stick to one build order per match up and stick with it.
Keep practicing customs with practice partners/random people until you're confident to tackle ladder.
@dbrisingr
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 29 2011 19:29 GMT
#5
I've had the same thing happen the last 3 seasons on EU (while I'm continually advancing diamond -> masters on NA)...

It might be an adjustment to the EU player base or simply we both slip at the end of the season...

for practice, check out this thread (channel is usually pretty active).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296602
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
December 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#6
lol
platin is a very valuable item that is widely found in Gazi Bulvarı and Saimekadın.
Platinum is a precious element and a league in starcraft.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
December 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#7
The first thing to realize is that you're not actually that bad. You're better than 60% of the people who play this game. Realistically, since you have just been demoted from diamond, you're probably better than 75% of the people who play sc2.

Second, don't be afraid of being demoted again. You probably have always been near the line between diamond and platinum and have only had a slight shift in your ranking. When I switched from terran to zerg I think i lost probably 50 games and won about 15 before I started evening out and I was only demoted 1 league.

Third, I don't know you but I know that when I have thought the things you are thinking, it was because I was putting too much emphasis on things I heard from day9 or pro players when I'm clearly not pro level. I can't do their builds or strats, I need to focus on a game plan that will work for me and reacting to my opponent.
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
December 29 2011 20:11 GMT
#8
Just curious, how many games per day do you play on average? If your want to upload a few replays to this blog, im sure we would be glad to look them over and offer some advice you might of overlooked.
KazKamasa
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden186 Posts
December 29 2011 20:20 GMT
#9
On December 30 2011 05:11 eXigent. wrote:
Just curious, how many games per day do you play on average? If your want to upload a few replays to this blog, im sure we would be glad to look them over and offer some advice you might of overlooked.


I've got to second that
If ive got my internet up in my new apartment I'll will try to PM on sc2
"time line? time is not made out of lines it is made out of circles, that is why clocks are round"- Caboose
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
December 29 2011 20:54 GMT
#10
On December 30 2011 04:41 ComaDose wrote:
lol
platin is a very valuable item that is widely found in Gazi Bulvarı and Saimekadın.
Platinum is a precious element and a league in starcraft.


Maybe the OP is referring to the concept of platinum plating but is being a bit street about it. You know, just platin' my new teef man.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
grimm42
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany7 Posts
December 29 2011 21:11 GMT
#11
On December 30 2011 05:54 Synwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 04:41 ComaDose wrote:
lol
platin is a very valuable item that is widely found in Gazi Bulvarı and Saimekadın.
Platinum is a precious element and a league in starcraft.


Maybe the OP is referring to the concept of platinum plating but is being a bit street about it. You know, just platin' my new teef man.

Platin is the german word for platinum. OP's just mixing up german with english.
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
December 29 2011 21:46 GMT
#12
Ladder ironically enough is NOT the best practice for plat/diamond.

Find one build. Find one friend. Play that build 3 times a day in that MU vs that friend. Make it solid. Make sure it can hold cheeses.

Go back to ladder. Hold cheeses and the rare macro game play that build. win 60% of games, get promoted. Once you get to mid diamond, ladder gets good for practice.

High plat/low diamond is a cheese fest on EU ladder. Esp PvT.

Good luck

P.S. Practice control, 4 gate every PvP. Best control practice, and if you do it right will win 80% of the games coz the other guy can't defend it right...
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
December 29 2011 21:59 GMT
#13
I don't see why this is such a big deal. Last winter break I had a bunch of time to play, I was actually diamond at the time and had a handful of build orders that I had gotten down pat. But I decided to start messing around with one gate openers, one gate fast expands, really fast expands, etc. Unsuprisingly, because I had no idea what I was doing, I lost like 25 games in a row and got tossed down to gold. But I learned a a lot about what kind of openers are viable, how fast is too fast to expand, what unit compositions are necessary to hold off early zerg, etc etc.

Stop defining yourself in terms of what league you are in. It's arbitrary and does not in anyway reflect on your skill or knowlege as a player. Problem is, when you get so focused on things like ladder ranking, the natural reaction is to use the same strats over and over trying to play the "perfect game". Screw that. This kind of practice can only take you so far. Be creative, try new strategies, try funky strategies. Stop focusing on your league ranking, stop worrying about your e-ego, and just play! I think you will be surprised by how much you learn about the mechanics of this game.

On December 30 2011 06:11 grimm42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 05:54 Synwave wrote:
On December 30 2011 04:41 ComaDose wrote:
lol
platin is a very valuable item that is widely found in Gazi Bulvarı and Saimekadın.
Platinum is a precious element and a league in starcraft.


Maybe the OP is referring to the concept of platinum plating but is being a bit street about it. You know, just platin' my new teef man.

Platin is the german word for platinum. OP's just mixing up german with english.


Awww you ruined the mystery now!
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
MilAgro
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany102 Posts
December 29 2011 22:24 GMT
#14
Thx for the tips, Iam trying to find some1 to practice with in the improve channel. Everyones mechanics and strategic knowledge can be improved, Iam no exception. The problem is that I kinda get stuck. I scout my opponent and try to find weaknesses, may it be economical, detection, an imobile army or whatsoever. I get what I think I need to win and then by all surprise I get roflstomped at some point of the game xD
Now in Platin most opponents are easy to beat. Thats quite cool, I dont fear my opponents. I hope Iam able to get up quick again.

What Ive just realized is that I build not as many gateways as those high master tosses, I build less, produce more consistent and chrono boost in crysis but it seems like I could tech quicker just build more gateways for crysis. Imo its not as efficient to build more gateways and dont produce out of them, because well, a gateway is 150 minerals, but i finally have sth I can work on understanding. It opens up new timings and stuff I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sc2MilAgro
joe_
Profile Joined November 2010
30 Posts
December 30 2011 00:33 GMT
#15
I feel your pain, as I also will likely be demoted back to Platinum soon.

I was doing great for a week or two, but shortly after entering Diamond I've just been tanking every game. Going like 1-5 in a session is demoralizing.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
December 30 2011 00:34 GMT
#16
On December 30 2011 06:46 TheEconomist wrote:
Ladder ironically enough is NOT the best practice for plat/diamond.

Find one build. Find one friend. Play that build 3 times a day in that MU vs that friend. Make it solid. Make sure it can hold cheeses.

Go back to ladder. Hold cheeses and the rare macro game play that build. win 60% of games, get promoted. Once you get to mid diamond, ladder gets good for practice.

High plat/low diamond is a cheese fest on EU ladder. Esp PvT.

Good luck

P.S. Practice control, 4 gate every PvP. Best control practice, and if you do it right will win 80% of the games coz the other guy can't defend it right...


Friends can help you practice against a specific strategy/style but they don't prepare you for the randomness of ladder. If you want to make it through to masters your build/knowledge should be able to withstand the huge variety.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 30 2011 01:04 GMT
#17

Stop defining yourself in terms of what league you are in. It's arbitrary and does not in anyway reflect on your skill or knowlege as a player. Problem is, when you get so focused on things like ladder ranking, the natural reaction is to use the same strats over and over trying to play the "perfect game". Screw that. This kind of practice can only take you so far. Be creative, try new strategies, try funky strategies. Stop focusing on your league ranking, stop worrying about your e-ego, and just play! I think you will be surprised by how much you learn about the mechanics of this game.

I agree with this toast person. If you really care, however, I suppose you could try playing reactively over and over until you can be a master of scouting and reacting, which is a step in the staircase of awesomeness.
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Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
December 30 2011 01:10 GMT
#18
On December 30 2011 06:46 TheEconomist wrote:
Ladder ironically enough is NOT the best practice for plat/diamond.

Find one build. Find one friend. Play that build 3 times a day in that MU vs that friend. Make it solid. Make sure it can hold cheeses.

Go back to ladder. Hold cheeses and the rare macro game play that build. win 60% of games, get promoted. Once you get to mid diamond, ladder gets good for practice.

High plat/low diamond is a cheese fest on EU ladder. Esp PvT.

Good luck

P.S. Practice control, 4 gate every PvP. Best control practice, and if you do it right will win 80% of the games coz the other guy can't defend it right...



I disagree, if you wanna get better at ladder, you gotta play ladder and get use to all the shit that can happen. If you want to play in touraments and such, go ahead and play customs. Cheese doesn't stop existing when you get mid diamond. also I'm sure bronze all the way to masters can be a cheesefest, you are just over exaggerating.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
December 30 2011 01:56 GMT
#19
Have you hit the time when your match up tactics are outdated? I know that happened to me once or twice every season where I have to go redevelop my match ups.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Sava90
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark144 Posts
December 30 2011 03:22 GMT
#20
If you want, I'll coach you

sava.224
Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.
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