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On December 29 2011 03:51 eXigent. wrote:
Im telling you right now, no matter what you say about quitting on your own, you will never be able to do it. There is a reason heroin is the most powerfully addictive drug on the market. Telling yourself that you don't need rehab is absurd. You may be able to quit for a few weeks here and there, but I guarantee you without going and getting real help to not only deal with the addiction itself, but also all the reasons that lead you to become addicted to heroin, you will NOT succeed.
Please, just take a few days and look into rehab centres. Tell your mom you have relapsed, and have her enroll you into one of those centres ASAP. You are only delaying things, and definitely not fixing them. I have an uncle on my fathers side of the family who was heavily addicted to heroin among other drugs, and I have seen that really, there is no guaranteed way to quit on your own. All it really leads to is relapsing over and over, combined with constant lies about getting clean , or being clean etc.
I mean, look at your situation right now. You are now lieing to your friends about being clean. You are teetering on the border of losing every friend you still got, because all you are doing is lieing to them. You are also lieing to your family, who is really the only support structure you have in life. Eventually everyone will be pushed away from you, and then when you really want help, and be willing to goto rehab, there wont be anyone around you to care......if your still alive then that is.
PLEASE LOOK INTO GETTING PROFESSIONAL HELP!!!
This is really where it's at.
Even if it is possible to quit on your own (and it may be), you need to assume it isn't. I mean it. Don't worry about going back to school. Don't focus on anything else. You need to take some time to get this under control.
Get into rehab. If you're family can't/wont help you out, look for other options. Some states have publicly funded clinics, and there are charities that run programs on their own. Do some research or ask someone your trust to help you figure it out.
Either way, your best shot is to focus solely on this issue, to the exclusion of absolutely everything else. Treat this like a serious medical problem. You wouldn't be worried about school if you had cancer. You would stop everything and take the necessary steps to fix the problem. Nothing else matters if you die of cancer, and nothing else matters if you feed your addiction.
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On December 29 2011 02:45 MrCon wrote:
I'm pretty certain he's writing this because he can't buy heroin, so he's full of good resolutions, which will disappear with the next dose.
This is almost certainly true. It's important context for anyone who hasn't dealt with addicts or addiction personally.
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Upon further education I think it could actually be a bad idea to quit cold turkey. I didn't know it was possible to die during withdrawal. So I suggest going to NA for some support. Ask them for advice. Apparently kratom tea can help you ween yourself off relatively safely if you don't want to go see the doctors.
It might help to lock yourself in with a really cool non-using friend of yours who is willing to spend time with you during withdrawal. Idk how long that would be. But if you have someone watching you or locking you up in a cage (like jail but at a friends' instead, I suppose) while they're out, it seems like that could help. If you want to go use you literally can't get any and have to continue with the withdrawal.
I know someone who used to go to AA and it helped them, but they stopped going and went into relapse. So I don't think there's any utopian easy button for this. You might as well start getting serious. I really think the detailed list idea can help, as long as you don't say "oh fuck it, I'm gonna go get high."
I don't think anything here will actually help you except for kratom tea, NA and rehab. But maybe the stuff that's been posted here will help you stay clean after you've successfully gone through withdrawal.
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I'm going to make this short and sweet.
My friend's husband died in his sleep from heroine overdose. It wasn't a one time use it's a continuation of a long time spent using drugs. This was coming from two people who were also extremely poor for long stretches because of this addiction. You have to know the consequences and be aware what your life will be should you decide to continue.
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Seek professional advice. The chances of you breaking this habit without professional help is close to nil.
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On December 28 2011 21:30 pStar wrote:
i can never understand why people take Heroin. its the worst drug out of them all, i'm curious to know your thought process when trying it?
i'm not trying to be a dick, just genuinely curious
thanks
Cuz people think their smarter than those who get addicted. During the first months it's fun and not that hard to quit cause you have no (severe) withdrawal but fail to realize they've create a hole in their life they need to fill and come back most of the time ;D
Or people just don't care whether they'll get addicted to cope with a fucked up situation through drug abuse.
If don't know how the health stuff in the USA works but if something like MrCon is available for you that sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Quitting the criminal aspects and the use of dirty crap your dealer sells you is a first step to stabilze. From there on you'll need something what matters enough for you to keep fighting. Don't know how good your relation to your mother is, but what Aphasie described with the withdrawal tokens sounds quite neat imo.
If you go into rehab good luck in finding one which takes longer than the withdrawal symptoms (again, no clue how stuff like this works in the USA) but if you get out immediatly after the physical withdrawal is over your chances of staying clean are pretty low I guess. Long term treatment from a psychologist should help too. (as long as you're honest to him/her, if you lie about stuff it's a waste of time/money)
Good luck with finding something worth fighting/living a clean life for, it's pretty hard 
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If you kick heroin, you will be a fucking badass and will have the ultimate trump card against complaints and whiny bitches.
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haha thats an interesting take on it
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On December 28 2011 21:48 danmooj1 wrote:
I always wanted to meditate but never knew where to start. Thanks hp.Shell, will definitely look into that.
About telling my mom, for personal reasons I don't think it's the best idea. She's been trying to send me to rehab for so long but I've always refused, even getting mad sometimes. That's just a small part of the reason I don't want to come clean though. My family is going through a lot of shit right now. My mom is a single parent and many people she's close to, including my grandfather, passed away recently. I don't think she can take that right now. I plan to get clean and if I really can't after this time, I'll reconsider going to rehab.
I don't think I'll get sick again because I've been using only the past 3 days since I got clean, so there should only be minimal withdrawals if I stop right now.
And for those of who want to know my story, I posted some on my blog. If you guys have any questions you can PM me but I rather not talk about it here.
Drop your fucking pride, man up, and let her help you. My uncle lived with my parents and I for 2 years. Lost his wife, kids, house, job, EVERYthing. If you don't learn humility/self-control, you're never going to get better.
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You're afraid of telling your mom because you're terrified of how she might react. But dude. You're fucking addicted to heroin. How do you think she's going to feel later when you're dead and she realizes that if she had just ignored your bullshit instead of believing that you had control of something completely uncontrollable, she might still have her son? You think all the deaths around her hurt right now? How the fuck do you think she is going to feel when there's another body to add to that pile?
You're doing a good thing by admitting you have a problem but you're still lying to yourself if you think you can get through this without the support of people directly around you and instead relying on the support of people over the goddamn internet. You want to be able to get over one of the most addictive substances in the world without going through the shame and humiliation that everyone who beats that addiction HAS to go through. There's a reason why it's called a rock bottom. Quit being so fucking selfish.
Here's another way to think about it: You've tried to beat it the 'cold turkey' way and look at where that got you. You lied to your mom already, saying you could beat it on your own, and look at where that got you. How about you try the honest way this time? Are you afraid she's going to stop loving you if you're honest with her? Doesn't that sound completely absurd? She's your mom. All she wants is for her son to be healthy so she doesn't have to bury someone else too.
You know exactly what you need to do, deep down inside. Now do it.
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My buddy was a heroine addict. He forced himself to get rehab; he met his wife there, and now is a straight A student in college working on a psychology degree. Get help, the rest will follow when you actually start trying in life. Good luck.
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stop using drugs they're retarded
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dont be a tool, dont do that shit
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Good luck sweetcheeks, most people will look down at you until you stop and they'll be right 8(
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if all else fails... just ween yourself off
schedule it out.. if you currently take hits 6x/day.... schedule tomorrow to take 5 hits spread out throughout the day... the next couple days, take four.... the next few days take 3... the next 5 days take 2 each... the next 10 days... take one... the next month every other day... every few days, once a week, once a month, and then not at all
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It's pretty obvious you don't give a shit about your addiction if you went to TL to ask for fucking help. If it's as bad as you claim in the original post, you need serious help and a bunch of morons who dropped out of college to chase their career of being a progamer from bronze league is probably the last place to actually look.
Go get some fucking help from a family member, if they're not speaking to you because you're such a fuckup, go to rehab and get the proper help you need. Don't waste your time on a forum making excuses for yourself.
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On January 02 2012 07:10 accordion wrote:
It's pretty obvious you don't give a shit about your addiction if you went to TL to ask for fucking help. If it's as bad as you claim in the original post, you need serious help and a bunch of morons who dropped out of college to chase their career of being a progamer from bronze league is probably the last place to actually look.
Go get some fucking help from a family member, if they're not speaking to you because you're such a fuckup, go to rehab and get the proper help you need. Don't waste your time on a forum making excuses for yourself.
Give him a break. He clearly wants to try to stop using drugs, you shouldn't criticize someone asking for help.
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BURN SHIT KILL PEOPLE FUCK SCHOOL
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do or do not, there is no try
I have lost many friends because of drugs, I hope you can sober up and stop lying to them.
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On January 02 2012 07:16 Ph4ZeD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 07:10 accordion wrote:
It's pretty obvious you don't give a shit about your addiction if you went to TL to ask for fucking help. If it's as bad as you claim in the original post, you need serious help and a bunch of morons who dropped out of college to chase their career of being a progamer from bronze league is probably the last place to actually look.
Go get some fucking help from a family member, if they're not speaking to you because you're such a fuckup, go to rehab and get the proper help you need. Don't waste your time on a forum making excuses for yourself. Give him a break. He clearly wants to try to stop using drugs, you shouldn't criticize someone asking for help.
Pretty sure the only reason he's still addicted is because people keep "giving him a break".
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