• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:14
CET 04:14
KST 12:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview12Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
BSL Season 21 - Complete Results [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? BW General Discussion Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Join illminati in Luanda Angola+27 60 696 7068
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1842 users

What if Sc2 was released first? - Page 3

Blogs > JoelE
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
December 27 2011 22:41 GMT
#41
On December 28 2011 07:25 HaruHaru wrote:
if sc2 came out first, esports would not exist


Yup cause WC3, CS, CoD, Halo, Dota wouldn't exist if it weren't for BW....... and ofc BW was so huge outside Korea that it had a massive impact on the western esports scene and without it, there would be no such thing......

If sc2 came out first, you have no idea what would have happened.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
December 27 2011 22:46 GMT
#42
Wouldn't play it. UI just sucks. Sorry guys.

More relevantly if we had had 10 years of SC2 patches and metagame improvement early SC1 AND the UI shittieness would make sc1 a nonstarter
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 27 2011 22:49 GMT
#43
And on the first day god said let thy be sc2 and there was. And on the second day god said let thy be sc:bw. O wait wrong book sorry brb.
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 27 2011 23:12 GMT
#44
On December 28 2011 05:53 Sm3agol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 05:44 XsebT wrote:
Do you guys honestly think the only reason we play bw is because of nostalgia?

Yes. If BW came out right now, and Sc2 was "SC1"...would you play it?

i play a good amount of BW right now. and i never heard of the game until months after i played SC2.

explain that to me please?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 23:28:39
December 27 2011 23:27 GMT
#45
Plenty of people played or even switched to BW from SC2, most don't seem to have a problem with it.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 00:02:08
December 28 2011 00:01 GMT
#46
On December 28 2011 05:29 butchji wrote:
Everybody would be like: "Yeah, a game where I have to click workers individually to start mining - where there is no way to regain the health of my marines after I stimmed. Also very good that I have to click every single barracks to build marines and click on every single barracks + every single location to change the waypoint... and..."


Dude did you hear about medics? xD

On topic: daaamn i would whine.
I am Latedi.
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
December 28 2011 00:06 GMT
#47
One thing I don't think a lot of the sc2 community realizes is that before the ANNOUNCEMENT of sc2, teamliquid was quite a small place even relative to what it was may 2007-beta, much less to what it is now. Most of the people who are in the BW section nowadays are not old timers who have been on tl pre 2007 and are watching/playing bw for some nostalgic purpose (even though that's bullshit too.) They are (mostly) people who came to the bw scene because they were hyped for sc2 and it disappointed.

To address the OP, I doubt it would have turned into what BW turned into in korea. With things like no chat channels / LAN / making internet cafes pay $ to blizzard to run their game and so on it wouldn't have had a chance. That is disregarding the superior gameplay element all together.
iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 00:56:52
December 28 2011 00:55 GMT
#48
On December 28 2011 05:32 juked wrote:
SC2 would most likely win because it has so many things (mechanically wise) that makes it easier and seems like it should be there.

ex. Boxing 100 unis compared to 12

And I agree with floor exercise.

That's why I'm shocked that SC2BW hasn't really taken off. If you say.... remade Brood War but with the same easier mechanics as SC2 and minor balance tweaks to compensate for this, then you'd see a beautiful e-sport.
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
December 28 2011 01:05 GMT
#49
On December 28 2011 09:55 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 05:32 juked wrote:
SC2 would most likely win because it has so many things (mechanically wise) that makes it easier and seems like it should be there.

ex. Boxing 100 unis compared to 12

And I agree with floor exercise.

That's why I'm shocked that SC2BW hasn't really taken off. If you say.... remade Brood War but with the same easier mechanics as SC2 and minor balance tweaks to compensate for this, then you'd see a beautiful e-sport.


That's because SC2BW is a random custom map on the SC2 engine and Brood War is Brood War. They are nowhere near the same thing.
JoelE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States112 Posts
December 28 2011 01:46 GMT
#50
On December 28 2011 10:05 Daozzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 09:55 Clbull wrote:
On December 28 2011 05:32 juked wrote:
SC2 would most likely win because it has so many things (mechanically wise) that makes it easier and seems like it should be there.

ex. Boxing 100 unis compared to 12

And I agree with floor exercise.

That's why I'm shocked that SC2BW hasn't really taken off. If you say.... remade Brood War but with the same easier mechanics as SC2 and minor balance tweaks to compensate for this, then you'd see a beautiful e-sport.


That's because SC2BW is a random custom map on the SC2 engine and Brood War is Brood War. They are nowhere near the same thing.


Can you elaborate on why it can't work as a custom map in sc2? Dota comes to mind.
http://www.firecaster.com
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
December 28 2011 02:13 GMT
#51
People would love the new bnet
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 02:14:37
December 28 2011 02:13 GMT
#52
oops
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#53
On December 28 2011 10:46 JoelE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 10:05 Daozzt wrote:
On December 28 2011 09:55 Clbull wrote:
On December 28 2011 05:32 juked wrote:
SC2 would most likely win because it has so many things (mechanically wise) that makes it easier and seems like it should be there.

ex. Boxing 100 unis compared to 12

And I agree with floor exercise.

That's why I'm shocked that SC2BW hasn't really taken off. If you say.... remade Brood War but with the same easier mechanics as SC2 and minor balance tweaks to compensate for this, then you'd see a beautiful e-sport.


That's because SC2BW is a random custom map on the SC2 engine and Brood War is Brood War. They are nowhere near the same thing.


Can you elaborate on why it can't work as a custom map in sc2? Dota comes to mind.


because pathing doesn't work the same and you can't muta or vulture micro
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 28 2011 02:38 GMT
#54
BW is so big becuase of how hard it is to play, how does it make sense to make it easier to play? isnt that what the B side keeps saying is wrong with SC2?
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Rongyi Cup S3 - Playoffs Day 2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 200
UpATreeSC 81
ProTech71
SpeCial 66
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 769
Shuttle 414
Hyuk 43
NaDa 27
Noble 15
Dota 2
monkeys_forever392
NeuroSwarm138
febbydoto6
League of Legends
JimRising 725
C9.Mang0364
Counter-Strike
fl0m1528
taco 593
shahzam393
m0e_tv336
Foxcn291
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1533
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor121
Other Games
summit1g7259
tarik_tv2965
Day[9].tv870
ViBE189
Maynarde122
ZombieGrub16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1113
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH153
• davetesta36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21909
League of Legends
• Doublelift4446
• Scarra1678
Other Games
• Day9tv870
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 46m
WardiTV Invitational
8h 46m
Replay Cast
20h 46m
RongYI Cup
2 days
herO vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.