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On December 20 2011 23:27 MrBitter wrote: Ah, cool. Some really nice advice here.
People really don't like the facial hair, eh?
Fuck, I'm out of touch. depend on taste... it will look nice if you take care of it daily... i mean no one in esport is hating on the EG beard...
but yeah majority of female dislike it... i thought u have a GF? ~_~
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Make ROTTYPOTTY go shopping with you?!
Problem solved, I expect a big thankyou.
oh and keep up the good casting, you and him my favourite casting duo atm.
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Mr bitter,
I would succgest you to invest in Quality and not Quantity. Therfor forget all the random crap people advise like H&M & such. If you are looking for a big change and look really DECENT I recommend you Hugo Boss for jeans & armani (125 /175€). Same thing with Hilfiger for anything else. Any decent italian leather jacket cobined with armani shoes. This might be a little bit over the top and you'll need time to get used to it, as it is a big change from your casual wardrobe toi have!
You will look classy and attract attention around you. Rotterdam will look miserable, as he is dutch and dutch people are usually miserable looking because they hate spending money and tend to stick to orange anyway
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I really recommend http://www.asos.com . British site, really nice clothes, they handle returns really nicely and it's not too expensive.
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here is some help fo yo fashionless butt. This will keep you cool and hot during the upcoming winter.
Shoes: (very important, especially when judged by women) Camper Industrial Raiguer Winter Pants: (keep it simple) option 1 - grey chino - option 2 - blue jeans tshirt: (here you are free to choose. as long as it you follow some basic rules. pants and shirt should never have the same color. there are exceptions, but as a nooby, you follow the no-same-colors rule. and as always - keep it simple) sweatshirt or similar: (I prefer zipper jackets or long shirts) option 1 - option 2 jacket: (you don`t want to freeze and to prevent that, your jacket needs to keep the wind and water out. Just follow that rule and pick whatever style you like) option 1 - classy - option 2 - sporty
bam, you`re done!
remember, when you´re not into fashion - don`t try to fake it. and btw. applications of any kind suck. just get a good, but simple product and you`re good to go.
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On December 21 2011 00:03 RaGe wrote:I really recommend http://www.asos.com . British site, really nice clothes, they handle returns really nicely and it's not too expensive.
I can second that! I get a lot of clothes from ASOS (especially when i'm feeling lazy and can't be bothered to look around stores).
Ultimately you need to feel comfortable with whatever you're wearing, so I wouldn't reccommend on completely changing your "style" in one pop. Take the time to look around a variety of stores (I live in the UK, so I don't really know what options you have in Germany) and more importantly take your girlfriend/rotterdam (or both!?) with you to get second opinions on the stuff you like. Same goes for anything you see online.
For event casting, I honestly think a full suit is too formal. If I had your job, I would wear a nice smart polo shirt, or checked shirt like:
Fred Perry Stewart Tartan Check Shirt - ASOS
With a smart pair of jeans. What I mean by smart is usually... dark in colour, no rips/holes/stained effect patches (this isn't 2004 anymore!) and either Slim fit or Straight Leg. This is just my personal opinion but bootcut jeans look old fashioned, skinny jeans only look good on emo's/hipsters/skateboarders and flares, well, yeah...
Something like this would be great (note, they aren't actually green):
Levi's 511 Rigid Green Slim Jeans - ASOS
For the shoes, it's honestly worth spending a fair amount of cash. Brands like Hugo Boss, Diesel, Armani etc. are "generally" very expensive for a reason. Aside from the quality of the leather and materials, they tend to last a LOT longer than a similar shoe of a cheap brand (provided you look after them). Something like this would go well with what I picked out above:
ALDO Lehane Lace-Up Derby Shoes - ASOS
You could additionally add a skinny black tie with the shirt in an attempt to look slightly more formal, but honestly.. this outfit alone would look bawsy on any caster
Edit: If the event is cold, or you just prefer to wear something over t-shirts/shirts, I would reccomend a nice cardigan like this. The "knitted" chunky style is very popular right now, and also keeps you nice and warm!
Selected Pen Cardigan - ASOS
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Get a hollywood actor to model from. Search thier various wardrobes. Copty it.
Also, watches. All knowledgable gentlemen know watches are essential
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LAYERS, LAYERS AND ACCESSORIES
Few outfits really look particularly "good" or "complete" with just one layer. Even with a good shirt and a good pair of pants, it will look mostly plain and dull. With proper layering and accessories, plain clothing suddenly becomes part of a more exciting package. I would say don't worry so much about what clothes you have, worry more about how you're wearing them.
There's no quick and easy way to figure out what's the best way to combine any types of clothing, and experimentation will have to occur, but a few general tips:
-Gets lots of thin, plain coloured T-shirts (black, white, grey) and thin long-sleeve shirts, which will be used mostly as undershirts. You can basically say that these are your "foundation" for a good looking, causal outfit. -anything with a collar will make a good over-shirt, I personally find they look best and feel most comfortable 3/4ths buttoned. Suit-style dress shirt for a more serious look, basic stripe and (my favourite) flannel shirts for a more causal (but still stylish) look.
Yes, flannel. With a good undershirt and a good pair of jeans, no one will be conjuring sterotypes of lumberjacks. Flannel is really popular now in many clothing stores. -If you live in a colder region, pull-overs (with zippers, to show off your layers of course ^^). -A plain black jacket can also do wonders. It goes well with just about anything (except completely black undershirts) and you can alternate between "serious" and "causal" depending on what sort of undershirt you wear. Tasteless's and Artosis's only partically "good" or "fashionable" clothing seems to be their black jackets, but they always look professional even if they're just wearing "geek" or "plain" shirts underneath. (seriously, go watch and GSL VOD and they follow a pretty strict formula of geeky t-shirt under black jacket).
Accessories: Knowing how to wear accessories is a bit harder and depends a lot on what sort of "look" you are going for. That said, a good hat does a lot in terms of improving an outfit and establishing yourself as an individual: a hat makes you stand out and becomes memorable. I personally am something of a toque guy (beanies in american english? ski-hat? I don't really know what word americans would use for what I like to wear). Which works well for many causal outfits. Obviously, you wouldn't want a very heavy one if you plan on wearing it in warmer areas. Other good options are: fedors, those old-timey boxer hats, russian fur hats in winter. Basically google "fashionable hats for men" to get an idea of what sort of hat you would like to wear.
Scarves are also a fantastic accessory, especially in colder climates where they also serve a functional purpose (makes them look less "try hard", which can happen if you wear scarves in really warm weather).
I've never been a big fan of watches--hate them actually--but there's clearly lots of people who disagree with me.
Necklaces/chains: Also hate them and almost always find them to look try hard, but definitely could compliment certain outfits.
That's basically the wisdom I've acquired in my own journey in trying to look less like a bum. A good way to get ideas is actually just to walk around malls and look at what the mannequins are wearing. You'll often notice that they are often wearing outfits with layers, and you can either directly copy their combinations, or derive from them basic principals of what would look good with what.
Last bit of advice: If you really want to change your style, you have to be willing to go outside your comfort zone. Often, people keep wearing the clothes/style they wore in highschool because that's what they feel "comfortable" in. You only feel comfortable because you've wore it so many times before. You'll grow to be comfortable in just about anything as long as you are a bit confident.
EDIT: for shoes, just avoid colored sneakers for most things. All-black shoes go with everything and are your best bet. Those black causal shoes that waiters often wear are both comfortable and look like dress-shoes enough that you'll never feel under-dressed in just about any situation.
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Scarves are also a fantastic accessory, especially in colder climates where they also serve a functional purpose (makes them look less "try hard", which can happen if you wear scarves in really warm weather).
yes please, scarves are awesome. But keep it simple
I feel like i should reply to the guy above me, cause he seems baller.
For watches/necklaces, make sure you get them in the same color (yellow gold, or white gold/silver). At least, if you get metal. A cross if you're religious is usually ok, i wear one all the time in fact, but otherwise just a plain one to be worn under everything is nice ^^.
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Gotta say, this blog has been very helpful to me, will be definitely taking notes as my wardrobe looks pretty much the same as MrBitter's (except I have more work clothes).
On a sidenote, I'm pleasantly surprised no one has said anything like, "I'm a fashion designer at xxx" or "I model for xxx" with their advice :D (the sc2 strategy equivalent of "I'm mid masters" lol)
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The secret is in the fit more than the actual piece of clothing. The standard jeans + tshirt + hoody can look very good if the clothes are well fitted. Ive seen the Levis 511 mentionned a few times here, +1 for those pants as they arent very expensive and a good exemple of what a "modern" fit looks like.
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Do please buy a Tux. hoTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
In seriousness, lots of good advice has already come through in this thread. I have to say that my husband owns exactly one pair of jeans. They are for working - like, time to go paint a house, or time to go chop some wood. He never wears jeans. He buys Dockers slacks. He has four different colors and they are fitted. Therefore he always is looking good. (Yes, I may be a tad biased but whatever.) He wears slacks with polos to work. (Polos are shirts with a collar - unpopped!) In the winter, throw a sweater on top of the polo, and fix your collar so that it folds down over the sweater. You're all set and looking good!
You definitely need a nice suit, which you already have, so that's awesome. Go get about 5 button-up shirts and 2-3 ties to wear under that. If you feel adventurous go get yourself a bow tie and learn to tie it.
Good Luck! Please post pics after your shopping spree. :-) And Merry Christmas!
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Mr. Bitter, you'll always be handsome to me. <3
Just wear what you like, what others think of you is irrelevant.
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For shirts I can recommend this German site: http://www.olympshop.de/ Very good German quality dress shirts you don't have to iron. Personally I can't live without my collection of OLYMP Luxor slimline shirts. Have Rotterdam measure up some things like your arm lenght, breastwith, waist and neck and go on an online shopping spree
(Or use the store locator to find out where you can buy them in your neighborhood (http://www.olymp.com/main/olymp_xl.html))
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On December 20 2011 23:57 CaM27 wrote:Mr bitter, I would succgest you to invest in Quality and not Quantity. Therfor forget all the random crap people advise like H&M & such. If you are looking for a big change and look really DECENT I recommend you Hugo Boss for jeans & armani (125 /175€). Same thing with Hilfiger for anything else. Any decent italian leather jacket cobined with armani shoes. This might be a little bit over the top and you'll need time to get used to it, as it is a big change from your casual wardrobe toi have! You will look classy and attract attention around you. Rotterdam will look miserable, as he is dutch and dutch people are usually miserable looking because they hate spending money and tend to stick to orange anyway
hahahahah, best post in the thread by far.
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jeans: if you want low end stuff, just get levi 514, 521 or 511(skinnier). you look pretty skinny so i recommend 511. or APC and naked and famous but a bit more expensive. look for dark blue colors.
chinos: dockers are good for low end stuff. get the alphas.
shoes/boots: white sneakers (chucks, vans) are super versatile. others stuffs i recommend are allen edmonds, red wing beckmans or aldens. you can wear them casually or with suits.
shirts: get some oxfords button downs i guess. the ones where you can button the collar
suits: just make sure your tailor is good. i know places like men's warehouse don't tailor that well, they put you in stuff that's too large. fit is king, it can make a $1billion suit look bad and a $100 suit look perfect. fit is king for every type of clothing.
brands (disclaimer: im a college student in america): zara, uniqlo, j crew, brooks brothers, lands end. a lot of these brands have sales frequently. never try to buy something at full price, be patient.
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Some nice fitted t-shirts, some regular jeans and a nice, expensive blazer. Maybe a sexy haircut would help? Accessories are also an awesome option, and I reckon you'd fit a slightly metrosexual look. Maybe a ring or two, a necklace, a fancy watch, some bracelets (events you've been too often give sick bracelets [my dreamhack one will be on forever more :D]).
Shoes are a funny one, because I can never find nice shoes. Boat shoes suit some people? or slipons, but personally I hate them. Vintage trainers can be a good look, but don't go for actual running shoes like new balance. Because you look a bit older, perhaps brogues or dress shoes would suit you better.
My advice is, pick a guy of a similar look/body type to you and copy them. Literally copy everything they wear and do. Personally, I copy Tasteless, because he's the sexiest man in eSports, but I'm a bit skinnier than him, but with bigger shoulders, so I look for things that accentuate my slim waist. Googling "Men's fashion" can give you some websites with great tips too, there's a reddit for it, and if you have a lot of money to spend, Men's health have some good outfits (albeit they tend to be really expensive).
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Being clueless about fashion kind of sucks. I went down the path that you are right now a few years ago when I realized I had no idea what I was doing when it comes to fashion. In the end though, I came right back to where I started, not caring at all (although with perhaps a bit more knowledge). I wear t-shirt/casual buttoned long shirt and jeans with sneakers pretty much exclusively because that's what I like to wear. Anything else I wear makes me uncomfortable and feel awkward, so I quit worrying about it.
Don't worry too much about it. My only rule is to make sure my clothes fit and are clean, and inside this rule I wear whatever the hell I want without regard to anyone's opinion (note this doesn't apply to work/interviews, obviously).. There are far more important things to worry about in life. If you like to wear hoodies, wear em and be happy about it! If people say you look like a hobo, laugh and then proceed to not give a fuck.
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