• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:54
CET 19:54
KST 03:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Gypsy to Korea KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY ASL21 General Discussion mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1172 users

My SlayerSMiN coaching experience

Blogs > TheAngelofDeath
Post a Reply
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
December 16 2011 06:07 GMT
#1
Hello all,

So, as was stated in another thread, MiN does not have very good english, so he uses a translator. The process is very quick, and usually if you have questions or anything you would like to say it gets translated very quickly and you get an answer back very fast. The whole process goes well, and there is never any miscommunication or confusion between any of the two groups.

As for the actual lesson, I focused on ZvT mech play, with some ZvT 2 rax and general concepts afterwards. We opened by having me ask questions, and MiN answering anything I had doubts about in concern with ZvT. Along with what specific style is causing me trouble. We then went into a game with MiN playing against the translator, showing me an optimal build order to deal with mech, while still being able to be aggressive(build centers around aggression) and giving you options to transition. We then discussed the builds, along with ways to deal with different possible responses from the Terran player.

The next part consisted of dealing with 2 rax aggression and heavy bio centered play, along with general macro timings and when to drone/when to unit in the match up. MiN continued to answer any questions(you are allowed to pause anytime during the game and ask questions) and help me work out any confusion I was having during the match, and explain why he was doing what he was doing.

Overall, the lesson was a great experience, and I have another one on Monday, focusing on ZvP. I plan on continuing to get coaching from MiN, and am very excited to become a better player because of it. Thank you MiN, and thank you Jun(CryingPoo) for being a totally baller translator.

His stream


I'll post up another blog after the ZvP reference.


I'm at low masters skill level if that matters.




***
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 16 2011 06:14 GMT
#2
I am getting a mention too : ) that's nice haha
SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
December 16 2011 06:58 GMT
#3
I always knew you had it in you, CryingPoo. Sounds like a nice little lesson you got there I kind of want to watch some Min streaming now!
Intel Dual Core 4400 @ ~2.00GHz / 2046MB RAM / 256 MB ATI Radeon x1300PRO
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 08:22:56
December 16 2011 08:20 GMT
#4
Oh this is the translator? haha

Anyways, nice, and thanks for review!

Questions I think should be a given in any coaching lesson, especially if the coach isn't particularly specialized in coaching, but more of a player instead (pretty much all coaches!).

Since I think when people want "coaching" they actually want "teaching", not just someone telling you to build another depot, watch your army, drop here and drop there, etc., it is good to have coaches be open to answer questions.

Well, nice to know.

SlayerS HWAITING

Edit: Important question:

Do you feel like you've improved significantly? At the masters level, it becomes harder to improve, where as when you are in Diamond or lower, you have severe macro problems or problems with decision making because you are not understanding some of the important concepts in starcraft. What kind of information have you learned about? It seems you talked a lot about options and choices and transitions, and how to respond. As a Zerg those seem to be very crucial details, since you can have a progamer tell you what to do and be sure it's a great choice instead of having to experiment yourself against similarly flawed players, which might give you skewed game sense.

I guess what I'm asking is, do you feel that 1 coaching lesson (how much did you get?) saved you a lot of work and time?

I haven't gotten coaching from a pro and usually it seems people want coaching more so they can hang out with their favorite player.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
December 16 2011 09:54 GMT
#5
How much is a lesson actually?
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 16 2011 10:24 GMT
#6
On December 16 2011 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Oh this is the translator? haha


I don't know what you mean by this.. but if you were offended by that big mistake I made couple of days ago. I am very sorry. Please check http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=294982. I hope this will make the situation bit more forgiveable for you.
SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 16 2011 13:19 GMT
#7
But why are you labeling ur in Australia? or was the coaching session on SEA server?
I hate all this singing
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 16 2011 13:26 GMT
#8
On December 16 2011 22:19 brachester wrote:
But why are you labeling ur in Australia? or was the coaching session on SEA server?


Because I am currently in Australia : )
SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#9
On December 16 2011 19:24 CryingPoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Oh this is the translator? haha


I don't know what you mean by this.. but if you were offended by that big mistake I made couple of days ago. I am very sorry. Please check http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=294982. I hope this will make the situation bit more forgiveable for you.


No I mean it's an honor to post in the same thread as you i don't know about the mistake thing
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 17 2011 01:42 GMT
#10
On December 17 2011 07:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 19:24 CryingPoo wrote:
On December 16 2011 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Oh this is the translator? haha


I don't know what you mean by this.. but if you were offended by that big mistake I made couple of days ago. I am very sorry. Please check http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=294982. I hope this will make the situation bit more forgiveable for you.


No I mean it's an honor to post in the same thread as you i don't know about the mistake thing


Ok : ) Many people were angry at me so I am apologizing as much : ] thank you
SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
December 17 2011 18:54 GMT
#11
On December 16 2011 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Do you feel like you've improved significantly? At the masters level, it becomes harder to improve, where as when you are in Diamond or lower, you have severe macro problems or problems with decision making because you are not understanding some of the important concepts in starcraft. What kind of information have you learned about? It seems you talked a lot about options and choices and transitions, and how to respond. As a Zerg those seem to be very crucial details, since you can have a progamer tell you what to do and be sure it's a great choice instead of having to experiment yourself against similarly flawed players, which might give you skewed game sense.

I guess what I'm asking is, do you feel that 1 coaching lesson (how much did you get?) saved you a lot of work and time?

I haven't gotten coaching from a pro and usually it seems people want coaching more so they can hang out with their favorite player.



I feel like my ZvT has improved significantly yes. I only got 1 session for it, but my understanding of the match up is a lot better than it was. I know aggressive timings, what to watch for, and other important factors in the match up, which are all critical to success against a Terran where you have to play the reactive style. So yes, I feel the lesson was very beneficial for me.


On December 16 2011 18:54 surfinbird1 wrote:
How much is a lesson actually?



First lesson is $60 USD. If you want more MiN gives really good discounts for future lessons.
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 18 2011 05:08 GMT
#12
On December 18 2011 03:54 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 17:20 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Do you feel like you've improved significantly? At the masters level, it becomes harder to improve, where as when you are in Diamond or lower, you have severe macro problems or problems with decision making because you are not understanding some of the important concepts in starcraft. What kind of information have you learned about? It seems you talked a lot about options and choices and transitions, and how to respond. As a Zerg those seem to be very crucial details, since you can have a progamer tell you what to do and be sure it's a great choice instead of having to experiment yourself against similarly flawed players, which might give you skewed game sense.

I guess what I'm asking is, do you feel that 1 coaching lesson (how much did you get?) saved you a lot of work and time?

I haven't gotten coaching from a pro and usually it seems people want coaching more so they can hang out with their favorite player.



I feel like my ZvT has improved significantly yes. I only got 1 session for it, but my understanding of the match up is a lot better than it was. I know aggressive timings, what to watch for, and other important factors in the match up, which are all critical to success against a Terran where you have to play the reactive style. So yes, I feel the lesson was very beneficial for me.


Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 18:54 surfinbird1 wrote:
How much is a lesson actually?


Thanks for responding If only I had a job or something, I'd try to buy a couple lessons so I could have some direction in my practicing xD I guess i'll have to wait til college.
First lesson is $60 USD. If you want more MiN gives really good discounts for future lessons.

Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
17:00
#110
Fjant vs SortOf
YoungYakov vs Krystianer
Reynor vs HeRoMaRinE
RotterdaM946
TKL 243
IndyStarCraft 150
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 946
TKL 243
IndyStarCraft 150
ProTech122
UpATreeSC 109
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 23291
EffOrt 525
Mini 466
Light 180
ggaemo 164
firebathero 160
Shuttle 52
Mind 40
yabsab 36
Aegong 33
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 16
Dota 2
Gorgc6390
Counter-Strike
fl0m4703
byalli815
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu288
MindelVK11
Other Games
Grubby2592
singsing1399
B2W.Neo816
Beastyqt657
DeMusliM183
crisheroes181
ArmadaUGS123
C9.Mang0108
Hui .104
QueenE67
Trikslyr49
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1267
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 78
• musti20045 26
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV719
• masondota2654
• lizZardDota249
League of Legends
• Nemesis4475
Other Games
• imaqtpie1080
• Shiphtur182
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
15h 6m
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
Platinum Heroes Events
20h 6m
BSL
1d 1h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
1d 17h
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.