EPTForGGs hotkeys. - Page 3
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koreasilver
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
On December 10 2011 03:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: This is exactly part of execution, which makes it very real. This is a set of mechanics that players work on over and over and over again. Start with the most extreme example: try playing without the keyboard at all. Only use the mouse. You're going to be much slower in-game, your execution of your builds and attacks will be much slower, and you're going to play much worse. Your macro and micro will be terrible. Now try using at most five keyboard hotkeys, but no control groups. Slightly better, but still not optimal. Then allow yourself a little more, and the execution of your gameplay becomes smoother. Finally, as you're allowed all of the functions of the keyboard (including re-binding hotkeys, if you wish), your play can become optimized, as you shave off seconds and then eventually fractions of seconds. A pro-gamer cares about every glass of water in the lake, because that could be the difference between first and second place in the GSL. The 99.99% of other players might not care that much, but those players aren't BW pros switching over to SC2. And, for what it's worth, keep in mind that if you have enough glasses of water, you *can* fill a lake. You know what could also be the difference between first and second at the GSL? Not building marines because you pressed M instead of A. It's hard to unwire 15,000 (or more) hours of hotkey practice. Sure, it'd be better if you had a convenient hotkey setup, but it will take a significant length of time to unlearn the old one and learn the new one when the old one is so ingrained in your mind. | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On December 10 2011 01:41 ShadeR wrote: Efficiency? You mean that quarter of a second you save ? =P SC2 is, or at least should be a game of quarter seconds =] | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
 I changed it from M to A. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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Falling
Canada11378 Posts
Plus, I never make observers without switching it back to o- and keep making thors instead of tanks and nothing instead of overlords. I just feel on more familiar ground even if the units aren't as responsive as I'd like. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37045 Posts
On December 10 2011 07:39 Noxie wrote: I am amazed he doesnt play with health bars on... I don't either. IT'S SO DISTRACTING!!! Seeing all those stupid health bars over the 100+ units that u end up producing. It just becomes an absolute pain for your eyes the more you keep looking OT: He was a BW pro for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, I was able to make the transition easily because I wasn't a BW pro playing 8+ hours a day. But for fOrGG, it makes absolute sense that he would want to stick with his old hotkeys. Why fix something when it isn't broken? | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
O is kindof hard because it's close to P and I, but I'm slowly getting used to it. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 10 2011 02:02 ShadeR wrote: Only if your eApm = your Apm. Those seconds "gained" because you pressed z at 10:34 minutes as opposed to 10:34 and a quarter are negligible. No, they add up, because that next keypress comes a quarter of a second faster, etc. Lets say you save a quarter of a second for EVERY overlord you build over the course of a 20 minute macro game. That's a lot of time relative to a Starcraft game. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On December 10 2011 04:49 koreasilver wrote: Honestly, I still feel like I'm faster on BW than on SC2 with Zerg. 4sm5sm6sm feels so much faster than 5smmmmmmmmm. This becomes even more apparent in the lategame when in BW you can ctrl+click larva clusters and make them all morph at the same time instead of having to go 5smmmmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz This. I would trade being able to select multiple hatcheries for macro'ing like in bw. Its so much faster (assuming one has the mechanics for it). | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 10 2011 04:49 koreasilver wrote: Honestly, I still feel like I'm faster on BW than on SC2 with Zerg. 4sm5sm6sm feels so much faster than 5smmmmmmmmm. This becomes even more apparent in the lategame when in BW you can ctrl+click larva clusters and make them all morph at the same time instead of having to go 5smmmmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz how is that faster? you just hold m. BW macro mechanics doesn't scale late game. you can only select clusters of 12. In SC2 I can select 30 hatcheries and have them all making mutas in like 3 seconds. Try doing that in bw. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On December 10 2011 03:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: This is exactly part of execution, which makes it very real. This is a set of mechanics that players work on over and over and over again. Start with the most extreme example: try playing without the keyboard at all. Only use the mouse. You're going to be much slower in-game, your execution of your builds and attacks will be much slower, and you're going to play much worse. Your macro and micro will be terrible. Now try using at most five keyboard hotkeys, but no control groups. Slightly better, but still not optimal. Then allow yourself a little more, and the execution of your gameplay becomes smoother. Finally, as you're allowed all of the functions of the keyboard (including re-binding hotkeys, if you wish), your play can become optimized, as you shave off seconds and then eventually fractions of seconds. A pro-gamer cares about every glass of water in the lake, because that could be the difference between first and second place in the GSL. The 99.99% of other players might not care that much, but those players aren't BW pros switching over to SC2. And, for what it's worth, keep in mind that if you have enough glasses of water, you *can* fill a lake. I should have been more clear with what i meant by execution. (micro in battles, lurker killing an extra marine pretty much mitigates all your gain). It was 5 am and i was high. I'm just trying to say that in a real game of starcraft. The point that minuscule gains will eventually snowball to a point that they have a significant effect of the outcome is a false one. Simply because the other gameplay factors are so large. To continue with the lake analogy, which will fill the lake quicker (and the speed at which the lake is filled is important because the length of a game of sc is finite) steady glasses of water or fire truck? Isn't ForGG using bw hotkeys an example against your bolded point? He has obviously decided the gain is not worth his attention and has decided that his limited 400 apm is better spent. TLDR: Starcraft is not like cell phone hotel manager games where efficiency is the main force in playing the "best" game. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:51 JoeSchmoe wrote: how is that faster? you just hold m. BW macro mechanics doesn't scale late game. you can only select clusters of 12. In SC2 I can select 30 hatcheries and have them all making mutas in like 3 seconds. Try doing that in bw. Wat. Morphing itself is so much faster in SC1 than SC2. The main thing that has become much more easier to do in SC2 is that rallying has become so much easier in the lategame. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On December 10 2011 20:07 Itsmedudeman wrote: I just realized he hotkeys only 1 orbital and his other one isn't hotkeyed or it's on 9 and 0. Is there a reason for this? That's just not something I can agree to. My guess would be that since he is so used to hit 8 9 0 for comsat in BW he just hotkeys CC there for quick scans. And it does not hurt his scv production anyway so w/e. I use BW hotkeys aswell. I just can't stand sc2 standard or grid. It feels so fucking wierd having everything so clumped up on the top left side of the keyboard. It's probably better tho if you have like all your hatcheries on one hotkey (like on 3, 4 or 5) but I still hotkey single hatcheries so my hand is already all over the keyboard and not locked into one place. And hitting 5soo feels better imo! ^_^ | ||
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Itsmedudeman
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