• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:39
CET 22:39
KST 06:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down20ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League93
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? SC2 Power Rank: epic29 Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign Bot on ladder Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs BA 2026-10-30
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Deus Ex 3!? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9255 users

I Don't Believe in Surrender...

Blogs > techempage
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 14:20 GMT
#1
What's your opinion on folks that refuse to "gg?"

I've seen quite a few people who go, "It's not over until every last building is destroyed."

I can kinda see both sides of this. I think of GalaxyQuest, "Never give up! Never surrender!" Make your opponent burn every building to the ground to earn their victory. Concede nothing, surrender nothing.

(I do have a fun story involving PFs in a TvT that lasted like 2 hours, when my opponent finally said, "I don't have enough time for this %@!%@!" and quit on me. But I was definitely still doing some damage to him then too.)

On the other side of it, honestly, if you have no chance anymore, why waste both players time?

***
Keep stumbling over dead bodies...
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 28 2011 14:24 GMT
#2
Never surrender is a fine mantra in life. SC2 is a game, it should not be an exercise in frustration, which is why we GG when all is lost.
Moderator
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
November 28 2011 14:25 GMT
#3
It depends entirely on your motivation for playing. If you get more satisfaction trying to eek a win by infuriating your opponent then by simply playing another game, do that.

Just don't expect your opponents to feel the same way.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 28 2011 14:26 GMT
#4
Whatever makes you happy. If you're a tosser, toss.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Felo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany392 Posts
November 28 2011 14:27 GMT
#5
I personally tab out of a game with a "gg" as soon as I see no point in drawing it out any longer. But (But!) it can be a nice practice to play out crazy games where you are far behind, because there could be a situation where your knowledge gained in those moments could give you the edge.

An easy example would be that I play out every base trade even when I don't have a chance because its rare to be able to practice such situations and it can be valuable knowledge for tournaments or games where you actually have a chance ^^
EU GML P | Check my Stream (with commentary!) -> www.twitch.tv/xFelo
FlaminGinjaNinja
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom879 Posts
November 28 2011 14:59 GMT
#6
On November 28 2011 23:26 Probe1 wrote:
Whatever makes you happy. If you're a tosser, toss.


But the OP is Terran so what should s/he do? XD

IMO if all is lost and you know you can't win, be a grown up about it, gg and don't waste your time or theirs
GinjaNinja.661 EU I'd like to thank my sh*t keyyboard for always messing up my 'Y's
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 15:01 GMT
#7
On November 28 2011 23:59 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 23:26 Probe1 wrote:
Whatever makes you happy. If you're a tosser, toss.


But the OP is Terran so what should s/he do? XD

IMO if all is lost and you know you can't win, be a grown up about it, gg and don't waste your time or theirs


I'm a random, so far. Although, considering headed to the zerg side, since that seems to be where most of my random wins come from.
Keep stumbling over dead bodies...
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 15:07:38
November 28 2011 15:07 GMT
#8
tbh I don't mind people who stay in the game even after they have obviously lost. if you float into corners then ok yeah you are wasting my time a little bit but... I'm already playing a game and nothing makes me happier than leaving a CC in the red and watching it slowly burn down with an observer

However in your case I always get a little bit nervous and think theres something I've missed on the map xD
LiquidDota Staff
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46636 Posts
November 28 2011 15:07 GMT
#9
As long as you don't have a problem with getting BMed on ladder, there's no harm in waiting for your opponent to literally kill every building. The game technically isn't over until you have zero structures left, so you have the right to stay in the game as long as you have a single building left.

Out of respect for moving the game along (and to keep a slightly more positive mindset), most players recognize when their games have reached a point of no return (when they have absolutely lost) and gg and leave the game. It's generally viewed as better sportsmanship (Fantasy's gg timings from BW were notoriously late, which made him a whipping boy for ridicule and manner rituals), but you do what you want- it's your game.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
November 28 2011 15:28 GMT
#10
Offensive GG all day, son. Works every time.
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 15:36 GMT
#11
On November 29 2011 00:28 Hawk wrote:
Offensive GG all day, son. Works every time.


Heh. ~chuckles~ I've had people try that one on me, when I had a hidden base they didn't know about.

I usually wait a few seconds and say, "Hey, you forgot to surrender after you said GG."
Keep stumbling over dead bodies...
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
November 28 2011 15:48 GMT
#12
If my opponent does not leave the game when I've won. I bust out the bm. Fighting in desperate and lost positions is ok, not leaving the game and watching your buildings get destroyed is pathetic and stupid.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 15:51:31
November 28 2011 15:51 GMT
#13
If you want to be a dick, go ahead but personally I don't see the need to pointlessly prolong a game and piss off my opponent (and waste my own time).
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 15:54 GMT
#14
~shows of his n00bness~ bmed?
Keep stumbling over dead bodies...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46636 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 16:01:11
November 28 2011 15:59 GMT
#15
On November 29 2011 00:54 techempage wrote:
~shows of his n00bness~ bmed?


bm = bad manner.

If your opponent bms you (or if you're being *bmed* by your opponent), then he's telling you you're terrible, or dancing his units in front of your base, or otherwise ridiculing you. That often happens if you stay in the game too long, because your opponent considers it disrespectful that you don't type gg and leave the game when the game is pretty much over.

Of course, you might run into people who are bm for no reason at all too. They might be having a bad day, or might just feel like being a douche bag for no reason at all.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 16:59:13
November 28 2011 16:01 GMT
#16
Don't waste people's time. If you're dead, you're dead, and there's nothing much else to do other than tap out.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 28 2011 16:25 GMT
#17
On November 28 2011 23:59 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 23:26 Probe1 wrote:
Whatever makes you happy. If you're a tosser, toss.


But the OP is Terran so what should s/he do? XD

IMO if all is lost and you know you can't win, be a grown up about it, gg and don't waste your time or theirs

I'm glad that at least one person got it :D

Yeah, pretty much if you've lost and it's to the point where you're lifting your buildings and trying to relocate to a new base- you might want to consider leaving the game. You could 'theoretically' win with a massive amount of luck (opponents power fails)
but really you're just wasting your own time. Find somewhere between (Z)IdrA and (T)Fantasy that suits you and go with it.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
November 28 2011 23:00 GMT
#18
I don't care if my opponent GG's or not. But for god's sake, leave the game when you are dead.
◕ ‿‿ ◕ ๑•́ ₃ •̀๑ ( ͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡°)
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 29 2011 13:01 GMT
#19
"Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, doubting dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before."

Eagerly I sought the 'morrow, vainly I had hoped to borrow, from my souls unending sorrow, sorrow for the lost Lenore. For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels named Lenore, nameless here for evermore.

Keep stumbling over dead bodies...
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
November 29 2011 13:28 GMT
#20
Back in SC1, getting your base destroyed just seemed like the last act of humiliation. So it seemed manly to watch stalwartly as they murders your innocent peons and raze your home (buildings) as your last warriors try to take as many enemies as they can.

Plus part of playing campaigns was destroy their last unit or their last building. If that's the mission, that's what you have to do. I never asked myself, why doesn't blizzard make the computer give up once it loses all it's fighting units? If you have to kill the last zeppelin, you have to kill the zeppelin.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
02:00
RO8 - Day 2
Laughngamez YouTube
Epic.LAN
22:00
Epic.LAN 49 Playoffs Stage
epiclan55
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 663
Nina 124
NeuroSwarm 55
Codebar 42
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 193
White-Ra 136
Dewaltoss 107
ProTech55
NaDa 12
Dota 2
monkeys_forever709
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 799
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0357
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3534
Liquid`Hasu556
Other Games
FrodaN1396
Beastyqt755
KnowMe235
syndereN190
PiGStarcraft154
XaKoH 142
ToD88
JuggernautJason56
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1130
ComeBackTV 280
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3931
• Jankos3554
• Scarra1338
Other Games
• imaqtpie512
• Shiphtur247
• tFFMrPink 14
Upcoming Events
OSC
16h 21m
Yamato Cup
17h 21m
IPSL
19h 21m
Artosis vs RiceHat
Kyrie vs Sony
Map Test Tournament
1d 1h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 14h
Ultimate Battle
1d 14h
Rush vs BeSt
Replay Cast
2 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
IPSL
6 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.