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On November 12 2011 18:23 Newbistic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 18:16 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
There's so much truth in this blog and I agree with everything pretty much. Indeed, fuck you blizzard!
Long live BW! Ironically, Brood War was also made by Blizzard. Who continue to support their product by keeping Battle.net services alive all these years when other companies have shut down online services for games half as old as Brood War.
They don't even host the servers, that's why on say, EUR it says 'hosted by telus.'And those other games are kinda irrelevant, BW kept selling for many many years; it'd be bullshit not to support it. Not to mention it was probably just 1 guy doing it on his own for years, while this is i believe the richest game developer there is. Only other time they paid attention was to take OGN/MBC to court,
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On November 13 2011 09:31 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 18:23 Newbistic wrote:On November 12 2011 18:16 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
There's so much truth in this blog and I agree with everything pretty much. Indeed, fuck you blizzard!
Long live BW! Ironically, Brood War was also made by Blizzard. Who continue to support their product by keeping Battle.net services alive all these years when other companies have shut down online services for games half as old as Brood War. They don't even host the servers, that's why on say, EUR it says 'hosted by telus.'And those other games are kinda irrelevant, BW kept selling for many many years; it'd be bullshit not to support it. Not to mention it was probably just 1 guy doing it on his own for years, while this is i believe the richest game developer there is. Only other time they paid attention was to take OGN/MBC to court,
But it's still Battle.net, is it not? Even if it's hosted on someone else's servers, it's a Battle,net service, which means Blizzard is paying them.
Being slightly annoyed at Blizzard because their services aren't perfect is fine, but saying "Fuck Blizzard" then defending it is just being ungrateful to the point of utter stupidity. They could be doing things SO MUCH WORSE.
Age of Empires 2, there's still a large community with lots of competitive players. Microsoft shut down The Zone a long time ago.
Halo 2, still a huge player base, Microsoft shut down Xbox Live a long time ago.
CoD, giving all of its PC fanbase the shaft by removing dedicated servers.
These games "kinda irrelevant"? They've all sold millions of copies and are some of the best selling games of all time. Way to completely ignore the facts.
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how many players used 6 army hotkeys when sc1 first came out? 0
using all hotkeys in order to optimised army control is still better than 1 hotkey, and people are working towards that. in just 1 year we have moved from 90% of 'pros' 1a'ing across the map to 3+ hotkeys for armies and plenty of harrass on the side. give it till lotv to bitch about people sucking at the game :D
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On November 13 2011 07:24 zeOllie wrote:
Sighhh.
If anyone here has ever played maplestory, before v0.5, the nostalgia is crazy.
I would do anything to play pre-v0.5, live the nostalgia, the friends, the awesomeness. It all just seems a faraway day for me.
I agree with everyone else. It's all about the nostaligia that you had when you were a child. it feels great. But it will most likely never happen again. The world moves on... And so must you. That is how life works.
I understand your frustration... but there really is nothing you can do about it.
I couldn't say I played pre v0.5 but o god the early times were so much fun. In a guild with some good friends. Constantly trying to find somewhere to grind that I didn't get bored of in about 5 minutes and lvl'ing at 3x about once a month. Partially due to non-stop talking in chat :O
But yeah I must agree with op. I miss the op. I really don't know what it is. SC2 just is lacking something... I grinded about 1000 games of BW in like 5 months. I got bored of SC2 in about 500 games. Unfortunately SC2 doesn't have the same feel to me but ever since MBS and unlimited control groups. I can't seem to play BW for my life anymore  ...
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On November 12 2011 17:46 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Just so you know, a big part of that is because you arent 12 anymore.
Just so you know.
Ya, I find this true about most story aspects of games now. Stories that would have made me excited and enthralled when I was younger are just too cliche now to get into. You just kinda grow out of your feelings of wonder and awe and look at things more cynically and practically.
I didn't play BW very much, but even comparing sc2 to wc3 and other games I feel like the chat channel system and bnet 2.0 is just poor in general for meeting and getting to know other players. It might just be because they haven't added a clan feature yet so there is not sense of loyalty.
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Why do you people have to legitimize the ops point by saying it's just nostalgia? You know he had actual reasons. It isn't just some vague longing. Stop treating him like a child, him disliking SC2 has no effect on your ability to enjoy the game.
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what a well written and intellectual post.
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Don't worry. Maybe nostalgia is half of it but the other half is the campaign was awful.
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I've recently been playing the SCBW campaign over again because I didn't feel like laddering.
Holy shit, I did NOT remember it being THIS fun. The SC2 campaign design was pretty good (probably the only part where I appreciated). It had flashy new effects, cool features, gadgets, whatever.....but man the BW campaign by far is still superior.
Who cares if there's stuff you can buy in a store when you have a fucking menu with four portraits just TALKING? For some reason, that's 1000x more interesting and entertaining than anything else I've seen in the SC2 campaign. Maybe it's because the voice acting was soooo good or because the music was sooooo good, but man...
Oh, and the story. The SC2 story sucked. So bad. So so bad.
BW campaign. Good stuff.
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Well, if you were 10 years old when SC2 came out, you'd feel differently. "What is this Brood War you say? Some old game with outdated graphics?"
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I bought SC:BW a month ago and played the campaign (still not finished the zerg mission in BW) and I have to say from the atmosphere and overall feeling it was much better than the SC2 campaign. The cinematics are still awesome and the storys of the characters make all sense and are very nice presented.
The Sc2 campaing feels like they just made them to give people something to do for unlocking portraits...
Some of them are still fun though, but more like a arcade game where you try to beat you highscore/mission time. Its not like you are experiencing some epic storyline.
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I think there's a lot of "grow up" to be said about your feelings towards SC2.
Your personality and your brain were fundamentally different when you were a 7 year old boy. Of course seeing Starcraft as a kid must have been amazing, and it was, but the sense of awe and wonder and discovery were also a product of your age. I thought Warcraft 2 was the best thing ever when I was 7, but I also thought my ridiculous Lego vs. Zacks, stories were intricately woven masterpieces of science fiction. The story was heavily inspired by Star Wars, Shadows of the Empire, Shadow Raiders, and Tiberian Sun, to keep it brief (the good guys' flagship was called the Philadelphia).
![[image loading]](http://worthopedia.s3.amazonaws.com/images/thumbnails2/1/0709/15/1_919d012dc06dcf871218c74bb3c6f5e0.jpg) Oh shit, it's Zacks!
Starcraft 2 may be an easier game as far as handling goes, but as far as its programmability, expandability, and potential for strategy, I'd say it's still pretty good. We are still so early into the competitive scene for SC2 and there is still so much that has yet to advance as far as gameplay is concerned.
I also wholeheartedly disagree about the community. You seem to be looking for the community in the chat channels or even on the ladder. The bulk of the SC2 community lies outside the game. It's situated on TL and in the massive following of MLG, GSL, and the rest of the tournament scene. It's in webshows like Husky and Day[9] and State of the Game. We have only scratched the surface, and it's only going to get better. If you're going to be cynical about it, really the only experience that is being spoiled is your own.
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On November 14 2011 02:05 vnlegend wrote:
Well, if you were 10 years old when SC2 came out, you'd feel differently. "What is this Brood War you say? Some old game with outdated graphics?"
And in a month they'll forget about SC2 because they'd rather play MW3 because, oh my god it's like the best game ever man why don't you play it???
On November 13 2011 11:06 turdburgler wrote:
how many players used 6 army hotkeys when sc1 first came out? 0
using all hotkeys in order to optimised army control is still better than 1 hotkey, and people are working towards that. in just 1 year we have moved from 90% of 'pros' 1a'ing across the map to 3+ hotkeys for armies and plenty of harrass on the side. give it till lotv to bitch about people sucking at the game :D
When SC1 came out, nobody had any clue what they were doing. When SC2 came out, people had been playing SC1 for 10 years. Why would people have to learn the same skill they should have already been accustomed to using if they played BW?
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On November 13 2011 11:06 turdburgler wrote:
how many players used 6 army hotkeys when sc1 first came out? 0
using all hotkeys in order to optimised army control is still better than 1 hotkey, and people are working towards that. in just 1 year we have moved from 90% of 'pros' 1a'ing across the map to 3+ hotkeys for armies and plenty of harrass on the side. give it till lotv to bitch about people sucking at the game :D
What the hell?
You do realize that some skills translate across games and using multiple hot keys happens to be one of them. It should not take as long to polish sc2 because you have a foundation to work on.
Anyway I always felt blizzard made sc2 to be a sport before a game. Thats alright I suppose but when your focus shifts from fun to esport you get bland ass units like the marauder.
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Theres no need for 6 hotkeys because they made control groups much much bigger, If say there were only 12 units per control group then yeah there would be a lot more people using control groups. Other then that I dont see how your argument is valid
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I dislike SC2 for other reasons, but in the end, I totally understand the feeling of being utterly disappointed by the sequel. Most people who don't like SC2 where actually really hyped for SC2 release. Then it went from "fuck yeah sc2" to "fuck no sc2".
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Nostalgia and growing up really do affect how you look at games then and now. That being said, Blizzard really did fuck up in the single player/lore department. The campaign was an awful B movie half assed effort. Raynor didn't even really feel like Raynor from the first game. On top of that they turned him into some meathead from Gears of war. Playing through the SC and SC:BW campaign still feels epic despite horribly aged looks. Sc2 campaign and lore had all the resources needed to be amazing. Someone at the wheel was asleep and went through the divider into oncoming traffic.
LETS KICK THIS REVOLUTION INTO OVERDRIVE! I was reading a Lore Panel interview with Metzen that stated the only reason they brought back Tassadar was to reduce the time it would require to convince zeratul that the overmind was his bro in hiding. Epic suicide by tassadar, only to be brought back from death for a few lines of fluff on the whim of the lore team. But don't worry, Mists of Pandaria will fix all that. Err, wrong game, same cheese.
Nostalgia and growing up has changed how I look at storytelling. SC and SC:BW and a lot of other Blizzard titles all still have the quality and wow factor that made me fall in love with this company. Their newer titles do not. Wc3 and Wc3:TFT completely enthralled me. I loved nearly every minute of the campaign. Some tedious missions here and there but I was so sucked in by the storytelling I didn't even care. D3 will be fun regardless but I hope they don't butcher it just like Sc2.
TL:DR I partially agree, fuck you for what you're doing now Blizzard! But... thank you from the bottom of my heart for capturing my imagination and attention during my childhood. I've met a lot of people and had a lot of fun and the small amount of money I shelled out to you will never make up for what you gave me in return.
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On November 12 2011 16:54 blabber wrote:
everyone that played bw knows this already, but we just accept sc2 for what it is. inferior, yes, but good for esports. esports would not be this big with bw. do we wish it was bw and not sc2? yes. but esports wouldn't live if sc2 didn't come out.
But i kinda agree about the community aspect. The BW community was full of individuals who loved the game and wanted nothing in return. Half the people in SC2 suck at the game, contribute nothing, and yet they feel they should get attention and all they do is try to promote themselves. Like 80% of all casters suck at sc2 and suck at casting
That isn't true at all. We were doing just fine without SC2 being released and there would always be new candy on display.
The amount of content being pushed now is pretty ridiculous. You go away for a few weeks and shit.. you have a ton to catchup on.
If anything SC2 just sped up the process of growth, but remember this. There is a ton of carry over.
I just love how casters get brought up all the time in conversations as well. Sure, everyone thinks they can do it and sometimes you question their reasons/intentions. Hell, a lot of them are socially awkward or have some other quirk.
You do bring up some good points. The amount of self-entitlement is scary. It spreads like a forest fire. It was never like this before they announced the game. Send in the negative Nancy clown car.
Yes, back then we had a lot of people who made amazing contributions for the community and asked for zilch in return.
That and I'm sick and tired of everyone always plugging themselves every other second they get. That definitely grinds my gears. It got old really fast and hell, there are only a few events I tune in for as a result.
Better off to have a player stream open at the side of my screen while I work.
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