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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 10 2011 04:01 GMT
#1
I got bored again, so here's the standings laid out nicely to see.


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Hero (7-0)
Demuslim (6-1) +8
Strelok (5-1) +7
Dimaga +7
Puma +7
Morrow +6
Huk +6
Sen +5
HasuObs (5-2) +7
Ret +5
Bratok (4-2)+5
Idra +5
Kiwikaki +2
TT1 +2
Rain +0
Mana (3-2) +1
Sheth (4-3) +3
Select +2
qxc -1
Darkforce (3-3) +1
Moonglade +1
Jinro +1
Hwangsin +1
Socke -1
Cruncher (3-4) -1
Cloud (2-4) -2
Haypro -2
NightEnd -2
Sjow -3
Vibe (2-5) -4
----------------------------
Lowely -5
Fenix -6
White Ra -7
----------------------------
TLO (1-5) -7
Tyler -7
Inka -8
Axslav (1-6) -9
Moman (0-6) -9
Incontrol -10
Softball -11


First off, let's talk about the 2 players from each division advancing to the finals directly.

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Division 1
Hero and Demuslim advance.

Division 2
Huk advances, because of Mana's weird situation where he only has 6 played games.

If Bratok beats Huk tomorrow, Bratok advances.
Rain advances if he beats Mana and Bratok loses.
I think Mana advances if he beats Rain and Bratok loses, though again, his weird situation makes me unsure.

Division 3
Morrow advances.

If Idra wins, he advances.
If Kiwikaki wins and Idra loses, Kiwikaki advances. If Kiwi loses, he cannot advance.
Now shit gets wacky...

Let's say Jinro beats Idra 2-0. He moves up to 4-3 +3, Idra drops to 4-3 +3. Let's also say in this situation that Kiwikaki loses 0-2 to Hwangsin. This also puts Hwangsin at 4-3 +3. How this tie is broken is beyond me. So in my little understanding of the tiebreakers (map score is first, that's all I know) in NASL, it seems possible that any of those 4 players could advance.

Division 4
Strelok advances.

If Sen beats Strelok, Sen advances. If he loses by any score, Ret advances.

Division 5
HasuObs, ironically in 3rd right now, automatically advances.

The winner of Dimaga/Puma will advance.


Now let's examine the 20 player playoff.

Notice in the first chart the three separations. The bottom section are players who will be dropped out (bottom 7). Then there are 3 players who keep their seeds for next season, but don't play anymore this season. Everybody above, minus the 10 players who are in the finals already, go to a playoff for 5 more seeds.

Every player mentioned above in the top 2 group thing will automatically make this playoff if they do not secure top 2 in their group. This includes Bratok, Rain, Mana, Idra, Kiwikaki, Jinro, Hwangsin, Sen, Ret, Dimaga and Puma. Four of these players will automatically advance to the finals, so these players account for 7 of the 20 playoff spots.

The following players have also secured their spots due to their record:
Sheth
TT1
Select
qxc
DarkForce
MoonGlade
Cruncher
Socke
Cloud
Nightend
Vibe

I am not sure about Haypro, because he has the same situation as Mana, where he has played one less game than everyone else. I'll just assume he's automatically in too.

Vibe's name might be a surprise there, since he is 2-5 with -4 points. As of right now, he is the 30th ranked player, meaning he gets the last playoff spot. However, every player below him cannot catch up to him, either due to being too far away in points or having no games left to play. Similarily, if Nightend and Cloud both lose 2-0, they drop down to tie with Vibe and cannot be passed by anyone below him. They are both in.

So this now accounts for 19 of the 20 playoff spots.

The final spot comes down to Sjow, Lowely, TLO and Tyler. If Sjow wins a single map, he is in. If he loses 2-0, he is tied with Lowely. If TLO and Tyler both win 2-0 in this case, there is a 4 person tie for the last playoff spot. No clue how they break that, maybe with a mini playoff group of their own.

Finally, the 7 players who are dropped from the NASL.

Softball and Axslav are definitely eliminated.

Let's assume Fenix forfeits his spot for next season, as he resigned half way through this season. This takes 3/7 spots.

For Incontrol to not be eliminated, he must win 2-0 against Inka (which eliminates Inka), and have Moman win 2-1 against Tyler. This makes some weird 3 way tie with Inc, Moman and Tyler. TLO could also join this if he loses 1-2 to TT1. Don't know how they'd break this either.

Moman is similar to Inc, as he needs some weird tie to happen in order to not be auto eliminated.

If Inka beats Incontrol 2-0, he's pretty well set. This puts him above White Ra.

If Tyler or TLO win their matches 2-0, they won't be eliminated.

Also, if 2 of Tyler, TLO or Inka win (Inka must be 2-0), White Ra is eliminated, assuming Fenix resigns his spot.

Lowely can be put in a weird 3 way tie with TLO and Tyler for the last elimination spot if they both 2-0 their last games.




So there you have it. Pretty detailed. Let me know if I got something wrong.

*****
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 04:20:38
November 10 2011 04:17 GMT
#2
Very nice break down. I unfortunately became busy this season and didn't had a chance to break down the numbers, so rather glad someone else went through the effort.

I checked with the staffs for the following:

When there're two players with mismatch of total sets in the end of regular season, both with equal number of wins, the player with lower total sets receive the higher seed.

Ie

Player 1 2-5
Player 2 2-6

Play 1 is seeded higher than Player 2.
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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
November 10 2011 04:22 GMT
#3
Very interesting. I'm surprised qxc and darkforce performed..not so well. Tyler too, considering how his situation has been improving a lot lately. Also wasn't aware of how much strelok has been practicing =o.

But really really weird situations can occur haha. Kinda reminds me of the days I use to follow baseball and the conditions that had to be met for certain teams to make it through were like o__O
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 04:28:55
November 10 2011 04:25 GMT
#4
mmm pretty sure sjow is gonna beat softball on at least one map =[

btw it's me vs TLO so there can't be a 4-way tie for that last spot. if one of us 2-0's the other and sjow loses 0-2, then there will be a 3-way tie.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 10 2011 04:32 GMT
#5
On November 10 2011 13:25 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
mmm pretty sure sjow is gonna beat softball on at least one map =[

btw it's me vs TLO so there can't be a 4-way tie for that last spot. if one of us 2-0's the other and sjow loses 0-2, then there will be a 3-way tie.


You played TLO last week, its you vs Moman this week?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 10 2011 04:35 GMT
#6
i havent followed nasl at all this season suprised to see fenix forfeited, what was the reason? and cruncher making play offs without playing much? kid needs to apologise for playing that race.

clearly we need to invent a new fusion sport combining lol and sc2. then tyler would win all the money D:
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 10 2011 04:37 GMT
#7
good analysis! :D
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wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 04:53:45
November 10 2011 04:52 GMT
#8
looking at division 5, it says that Dimaga is at 9 pts, and puma and HasuObs both sit at 7! if puma beats dimaga 2-0 then dimaga drops down to 7pts, and since he beat HasuObs, he would be 2nd in the group. The only way that HasuObs can auto make the grand finals is if Puma loses to Dimaga...

I think... :D

edit: nvm, the standings weerent updated for the tt1 match yet. lol im an idiot :D
Sometimes Artosis and I like to have Hot 6ix with each other - Tasteless
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 04:55:12
November 10 2011 04:54 GMT
#9
On November 10 2011 13:52 wichenks wrote:
looking at division 5, it says that Dimaga is at 9 pts, and puma and HasuObs both sit at 7! if puma beats dimaga 2-0 then dimaga drops down to 7pts, and since he beat HasuObs, he would be 2nd in the group. The only way that HasuObs can auto make the grand finals is if Puma loses to Dimaga...

I think... :D


Nope, check the Liquipedia thing that's more up to date.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_2

Whoever loses between Dimaga and Puma drops to 5-2 with either +6 or +5, putting them below Hasu

Edit: ah yes, your edit. No worries
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
wichenks
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada153 Posts
November 10 2011 04:58 GMT
#10
On November 10 2011 13:54 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 13:52 wichenks wrote:
looking at division 5, it says that Dimaga is at 9 pts, and puma and HasuObs both sit at 7! if puma beats dimaga 2-0 then dimaga drops down to 7pts, and since he beat HasuObs, he would be 2nd in the group. The only way that HasuObs can auto make the grand finals is if Puma loses to Dimaga...

I think... :D


Nope, check the Liquipedia thing that's more up to date.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_2

Whoever loses between Dimaga and Puma drops to 5-2 with either +6 or +5, putting them below Hasu

Edit: ah yes, your edit. No worries



I should probably start looking stuff up more, before I point out something that the OP clearly researched exhaustively. :D
Sometimes Artosis and I like to have Hot 6ix with each other - Tasteless
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
November 10 2011 15:04 GMT
#11
Oh oops you are correct
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
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