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BrokenTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 03:24:28
November 09 2011 20:08 GMT
#1
Alright so another day has begun. I'll be hitting the ladder hard today, and see what I can accomplish

Vlog

Game 1

Protoss
Rank 11 Gold
27 Wins


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Alright so of course It would have to be a Protoss player for my first game of the day. He went FFE into Voids, and even though I scouted I had a feeling it was going to be the case. I made 3 spores per base and a few extra queens. I teched to hydras and infestors but still lost. I watched the replay and noticed that he was out macroing me pretty hard so its no wonder I lost. I really need to find a way to counter this, I seen a few strats but it seems like most of my ZvP games are going to end with a rage quit on my part.

On a side note, I might have found a coach, who I will request to help me against FFE Protoss's


Game 1

Game 2

Protoss
Rank 37 Silver
0 Wins


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K well this game the toss did not FFE, he did however follow the general theme I have been up against and that is Voidray. If you watched my first replay I did terrible, This game however I did much better at holding it off. I am bad so I could have ended the game a lot sooner then I did, however in the end I pulled off the win.

Game 2

Game 3
Rank 23 Gold
66 Wins


Alright this was just an annoying game, for some reason I lost to only banelings. I could have done a lot better and its really starting to bug me that I am losing a lot lately. I have hit a wall and now its time to overcome it in order to progress. Watch the replay, its pretty sad on my part.

Game 3

Game 4

Terran
Rank 9 Silver
26 Wins


Wow.. I know bunker rushes are suppose to do little bit of damage but to win the game? wtf.. I scouted it way to late, thought he was just coming to make but was actually already making it. Bad ling control, etc etc i lost to a bunker rush..

Game 4

Game 5
Terran
Rank 24 Silver
11 Wins


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Alright this game was pretty simple, I was in a hurry, Macro was bad, but so was he. Ling Bling Muta infestor ( On a seperate hotkey, but still poorly micro'd lol ) I made 1 spore at each base to help if any drops came, i know that sounds terrible, but most terran drop and leave medivacs there, i figured if he drops my minerals its a few free medivacs.( it payed off) So yeah, went on 4 bases, and was like alright, I'm in a hurry i'll just finish him off.


Game 5

Game 6

Protoss
Rank 1 Silver
32 Wins


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Alright so this game, I don't know. I won, but I feel I could have done a lot better. I guess he tried to 4 gate me or something. I'm going to watch replay after I post this. Anyway, he comes at me with a few zealots and I am able to hold it off, got some roaches, he comes again with a pylon for warping in. Stalkers and zealots make it to my base, but i suffer no damage and I hold it off with more then enough to counter attack and win the game. I only countered because I wanted to drone up because I knew I wasn't droning as hard as I could and as well as deny his expo long enough so I can get my Third and natural saturated. I was as going for Muta to take advantage of the close by air.

Game 6

Game 7

Terran
Rank 16 Gold
20 Wins


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Wow, i had a lot of minerals! Good map control as well, Saw his drops coming so dealt with them perfectly, my Mutas did a tonne of damage to his mineral line and his tanks. I tried to use seperare hotkeys, and even flank attacking, which I think could have gone better. My macro was terrible I had so much money! I'm like alright macro hatches go go go. I am happy with this game, I never thought for one second I was going to lose. And I did not :D

Game 7


Game 8

Zerg
Rank 46 Gold
4 Wins


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Another ZvZ today, I am kinda happy with how it played out, even though I lost, miserably. I don't care really. We both went muta and he just had better droning and overall better macro then me so he deserved to win that. I was hoping that he was going only roach so I could get the mutalisk advantage but unfortunately he wanted it as well and he was able to take the skys and the game.


Game 8

Game 9

Zerg
Rank 29 Gold
16 Wins


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I love winning a good ZvZ, Quick, Simple, Elegant. I opted not to get a drone, and saved up for 3 larva of lings to scout with. With those 6 lings I poked in and seen nothing but an early expo. I took advantage. I dropped a banelings nest and a expo and Rallyed lings to his base, with the sight of banelings he gg'd and that was the game.


Game 9

Game 10

Zerg
Rank 3 Silver
47 Wins


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Another ZvZ Thought opening the same would work, he went roaches, so I did too, I was to late on the mutas and once again my opponent had air support and I lost. I need to find a build that will allow me to gain the upper foot and get mutas out before they do.


Game 10

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VaySept
Profile Joined April 2011
France39 Posts
November 09 2011 20:38 GMT
#2
9 spore crawlers is not a good solution I think. Especially as they are spread and can be taken out one after another by the void rays.
9 less drones made you lose 20-25% of your income, so less hydras. It's better to have a few queens and hydras. And you can use the queens to spread creep to connect your base (so your hydra can react fast enough), you did it too late. A few infestors with fungal can help a lot too. And in the end, your roaches + zerglings were useless if you don't send them trying to kill something on the ground. Try a run by, try to check the expands he could have taken.
You could have tried a zergling runby when he only had 3 cannons. He did not wall properly, and you should have abused it by killing his eco.
DomiNater
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States527 Posts
November 09 2011 20:52 GMT
#3
I don't think you needed to take your 3rd at 5 minutes game time. You could have droned harder off of 2 bases and then taken your 3rd around 8-9 minutes instead.

I can't stress how big this is but you NEED to get out of the habit of hotkeying all of your units to 1 hotkey. Get those infestors on a separate hotkey man!

When dealing with voids, 4-6 Infestors can take out their whole army. Practice your chain-fungals and you can kill that army ez-pz.
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BrokenTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada119 Posts
November 09 2011 21:15 GMT
#4
On November 10 2011 05:52 DomiNater wrote:
I don't think you needed to take your 3rd at 5 minutes game time. You could have droned harder off of 2 bases and then taken your 3rd around 8-9 minutes instead.

I can't stress how big this is but you NEED to get out of the habit of hotkeying all of your units to 1 hotkey. Get those infestors on a separate hotkey man!

When dealing with voids, 4-6 Infestors can take out their whole army. Practice your chain-fungals and you can kill that army ez-pz.



Noted, I'll start to use my infestors better, using a different hotkey. Also for post above yours, Yeah, i could have droned better only on 2 bases, the third was pointless because It was never up and running and only wasted minerals.

What would you guys suggest, should I not have the spores? and just make queens and hydras? or is a couple spores okay?
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
November 09 2011 22:05 GMT
#5
I'd say a spore per base. Then increase the number of spores if you see him continuing to go air
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BrokenTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada119 Posts
November 09 2011 22:50 GMT
#6
On November 10 2011 07:05 Aocowns wrote:
I'd say a spore per base. Then increase the number of spores if you see him continuing to go air



Good advice, with practice i'll know how to deal with this better. Brings me back to when I was in Bronze, I used to go lair before speed, and get hydras den every game, because I feared Voids.
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firetyo
Profile Joined July 2011
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 03:06:36
November 10 2011 03:05 GMT
#7
Game 1-
If you see a FFE, it's not the best idea to waste money on gas and roaches. Instead, it's a better idea to drop the roaches and gas later after you get more drones. This is putting the idea of 3gate pressure, early attacks, harass, etc aside. Phoenixes are great and in fact you'll have to unfortunately pull back all of your overlords. Early air is actually a terrible idea, considering if you went early roachling, he wouldn't have anything much to hold off your early game roachling macro.

Work on creep spread and keep you army at the most efficient position possible. Your hydras were at your main when he attacked your third, keeping it in the middle with creep would have been more effective. Also, when there's air like that, invest in Pneumatized Carapace so that your overlords can run around faster. Therefore you can have overlord spread with less risk of losing them.

Up until 14 minutes, you were playing defensive, waiting for him to attack you. You probably wanted him to push with his army so that you could kill it, and then run to his base with your army since you just killed his. That's the basic mindset of players under diamond level, and it isn't bad but not great. Be more aggressive, try pushing in with roaches and lings and force him to make gateway units. Since you didn't attack at all, he just kept going voidrays. He then floated a bunch of minerals and massed cannons; by then it was too late.

16:50 no overlord spread to at least scout. Ovie + speed can risk you losing 1 or 2 overlords but your other overlords can run away + you have scouting information. You had a lot of minerals as well. If you really had nowhere to spend it, make mass zerglings, queens and spore crawlers. At this point you need to out-macro him.

19 minutes - futile expansion goes down. His voidrays have full reign over the map; there's no use expanding unless you take map control or aggro him instead.

22 minutes - You're in over your head, you assume you have a strong army but you had a lot of roaches which are completely useless since you weren't even attacking his base

Couple of things I would have done
1 - Make more infestors
2 - Roach ling all in early game
3 - Made 2-3 nydus worms, drop changelings and constantly try to get nyduses off.
4 - Spine + creep highway with supporting mass queens and hydras w/ upgrades

There are multiple things you could have done. Nothing is necessarily better than the other but you should have been aggressive early game. You made roaches in anticipation for a gateway push without scouting anything he had. Once you get lair tech scout/drop a changeling to see what he's teching to or even before the lair tech; sacrifice an overlord to see what he has.

Spore crawlers are okay in the sense that it stops early game harassment. Early game isn't 15 minutes but I'm talking perhaps 7~9 minutes. When it comes to mass air like that, spores are basically useless unless you transfuse them.

Note : Just attack him next time lol. Don't wait for the fight to come to you, be aggressive. Go into the game with the winning mindset.

Will edit for games 2 and 3. Busybusy right now! BBL
BrokenTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 03:11:59
November 10 2011 03:11 GMT
#8
On November 10 2011 12:05 firetyo wrote:
Game 1-
If you see a FFE, it's not the best idea to waste money on gas and roaches. Instead, it's a better idea to drop the roaches and gas later after you get more drones. This is putting the idea of 3gate pressure, early attacks, harass, etc aside. Phoenixes are great and in fact you'll have to unfortunately pull back all of your overlords. Early air is actually a terrible idea, considering if you went early roachling, he wouldn't have anything much to hold off your early game roachling macro.

Work on creep spread and keep you army at the most efficient position possible. Your hydras were at your main when he attacked your third, keeping it in the middle with creep would have been more effective. Also, when there's air like that, invest in Pneumatized Carapace so that your overlords can run around faster. Therefore you can have overlord spread with less risk of losing them.

Up until 14 minutes, you were playing defensive, waiting for him to attack you. You probably wanted him to push with his army so that you could kill it, and then run to his base with your army since you just killed his. That's the basic mindset of players under diamond level, and it isn't bad but not great. Be more aggressive, try pushing in with roaches and lings and force him to make gateway units. Since you didn't attack at all, he just kept going voidrays. He then floated a bunch of minerals and massed cannons; by then it was too late.

16:50 no overlord spread to at least scout. Ovie + speed can risk you losing 1 or 2 overlords but your other overlords can run away + you have scouting information. You had a lot of minerals as well. If you really had nowhere to spend it, make mass zerglings, queens and spore crawlers. At this point you need to out-macro him.

19 minutes - futile expansion goes down. His voidrays have full reign over the map; there's no use expanding unless you take map control or aggro him instead.


22 minutes - You're in over your head, you assume you have a strong army but you had a lot of roaches which are completely useless since you weren't even attacking his base

Couple of things I would have done
1 - Make more infestors
2 - Roach ling all in early game
3 - Made 2-3 nydus worms, drop changelings and constantly try to get nyduses off.
4 - Spine + creep highway with supporting mass queens and hydras w/ upgrades

There are multiple things you could have done. Nothing is necessarily better than the other but you should have been aggressive early game. You made roaches in anticipation for a gateway push without scouting anything he had. Once you get lair tech scout/drop a changeling to see what he's teching to or even before the lair tech; sacrifice an overlord to see what he has.

Spore crawlers are okay in the sense that it stops early game harassment. Early game isn't 15 minutes but I'm talking perhaps 7~9 minutes. When it comes to mass air like that, spores are basically useless unless you transfuse them.

Note : Just attack him next time lol. Don't wait for the fight to come to you, be aggressive. Go into the game with the winning mindset.

Will edit for games 2 and 3. Busybusy right now! BBL


very very very helpful. i look forward to your future posts.
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