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meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
November 07 2011 22:45 GMT
#1
Recently I have been somewhat upset with battle.net. This is mostly because bnet keeps me in lower leagues than I deserve.

I originally brought this on myself by drinking and starcrafting too frequently.
The result is I would go 0-5 on drunk days and 5-0 on sober days.

I largely resolved this first issue by creating a second drunk single player account, which allowed me to rise from Silver to Platinum in my sober account. I was still quite dissatisfied by the pace of that rise.
While in Silver I had a 20 game win streak vs Terrans at one point. It was SO boring.
I could basically do a 3 Gate expo and nearly a-move the Terran's ramp to win.
(I usually put zealots in front and use stalkers to focus fire units outside the bunker, but you get the point)

My "plan" was just to do damage in case of Banshee play and scout that it was coming by noticing a pure marine defense, but I shockingly found I was beating all sorts of Marauder and Siege Tank builds as well. I went back to revue drunk losses and I would lose because I did stuff like forget to put probes on gas, so Warp was massively delayed which delayed my first push and then low and behold there was a cloaked banshee rush and my obs was late.
Also, drinking seems to affect PvZ on non FFE maps more. Even on FFE maps I end up with holes in my walls, or the nexus blocked or whatever.

Anyway my win percentage got up to 70% on SC2 gears for a one month period and I was finally promoted to Gold. Then after about 65% for another month and I was in platinum.

I am an example of someone who does better vs higher leagues because I currently have a diamond win percentage over 70%, but my bronze win % somehow is under 50. I cannot explain that, except that I lost to a lot of 6 pools.

Since using the drunk/sober account strategy that has largely fixed my single player woes.
I think I am mostly where I am should be.

Multiplayer remains massively FUBARed.

First of all I am ranked Platinum on most teams and in most leagues.
1v1 I am a high platinum, but in multi-player I should be much better.

There are a group of about 6 of us that play on Fridays. That is actually 15 permutations of 4 assuming we always have 4, but some days it is 3 and there are 20 more permutations of those for 35 permutations of teams that we have. As you can imagine we do not get that many games with any set of players.
Of my buddies that I play with we have 3 diamonds and 3 platinums based on their highest rank in any league at any time. Currently I believe we have 2 4v4 diamonds and 0 1v1 diamonds.

Of this group I am the best by a fairly large margin. I destroy everyone in 1v1 and we cannot even play 2v2s or 3v3s on days that we have 5 or 6 of us because whichever team I am on just rolls to victory.

This was all hysterical back when I was in Silver and we had several 1v1 diamonds. While I have thrown bnet a bone mentioning sobriety, I should also mention that my friends would also drink on Fridays so not sure how a drunk Silver was beating drunk diamonds.

It has been speculated by some that I simply hold my liquor the best and it is that rather than actual starcraft talent that has led me to victory on drunken Fridays. No one has suggested I drink the least, because it is most likely the opposite that is the case.

Regardless we began to suspect that bnet hates us. One Friday we were playing and had a new 3v3 that we had never played before. This should have been a strong group for us since we had 2 diamonds and me.
Usually we get matched against Masters/Diamonds players, yet are put in the platinum league.
We do not understand how this works. I should mention that my buddies consist of some of the best FPS players in the world. One was ranked #7 in Counterstrike.

In my other circles of friends I am considered an excellent FPSer, but I just suck compared to these guys. Their skills do not quite extent to RTS though.

While we are not great individually, we have been friends since the early 90s and have great teamwork, partly from our FPSing. The result is together we can play effectively against those who are much better than us.

Anyway, so this day we win our first match, then lose to a team of 3 masters, then beat a team with one master and then lose the next two games all of which had at least one Master's player.

We went 2-3 in placement, which is bad for us, but then again 4 of the teams had Master's players. Usually we can go 5-0 or 4-1, but then we usually do not face a Master's player in placement more than once or twice and never 3 at once.

Anyway, we are put in silver, which slightly offends us. Okay, we were raging!

At least we will get to pwn some silver newbs before getting promoted. So the next game we are playing our hearts out, but these guys are good. They are microing their injured stalkers back, which suggests at least gold league. They are splitting their marines, so maybe platinum. Some A-hole toss has a sentry at every ramp and seems to have godly FF usage. Who are these guys? We finally lose and check their rankings. THREE MASTERS. WTF?!?!
Now we are 0-1 in Silver because of this. I asked one of them how this could happen and he said they were doing their placement matches. These was an extreme example, but this sort of stuff happens all the time. We do not know how it is that Bnet will play us against Masters and Diamonds for months on end and we will have roughly a 50% win percentage and we stay in platinum in all permutations. Our suspicion is that while we are active overall, each of the 35 permutations of 3 or 4 is relatively inactive and promotion is partly connected to activity.
It seems this most affects platinum to diamond since even when placement puts us in gold, we get promoted to platinum very fast.

This past weekend we only had 2 at first. We played a 1v1 but that was not close. Then we owned a few folks in 2v2 winning placement plus some and get put back in Platz. Finally we decided to do some 4v4 with random teammates.
We keep owning everyone except for two games where bnet boots me.
We lost one other game when all my teammates (including my buddy) went hatch first and I was relegated to grabbing an exposed natural, which I could never hold. The result is I never really got off more than one base, and without my macro on which we so heavily rely we lost.

Now in those games I got booted we suspect that bnet was the issue and not our internet.
Basically this house is owned by a professional networking guy and in one of the games no fewer than 5 people lagged out at various times. We are pretty sure bnet or at least one server was having some issues. Also it happened 2 games in a row and then was fine after that.
It could have been something unique to my computer because I was the only one to actually get booted. This has me slightly worried.

Anyway, ignoring that game we are on like a 6-1 streak and suddenly it happens. My platinum buddy who is much worse than me gets promoted.
Now here is what is weird:
#1) I have won every game I played without him this season. (This was only 1 game)
#2) He has not played without me this season.
#3) He somehow has more points than me, even though I won every game he won and I never lost without him.
#4) Right before he passed me in points he was #1 in platinum while I was #40 with a few more points.

So we went back and checked our match history and during these wins he would always get more points. This is not a bonus pool issue. Basically he would get 26 for a win. I would get 20 for the same win.

As far as in game stats go, other than the 2 games I got booted, which we lost, I had a higher score in every single game including a few times that I doubled him.

We figure, that perhaps I had some months-old history that was dragging me down so I was slightly behind and that I was on the cusp of promotion myself.

We keep playing and finish the night with 6 more straight wins.
Somewhere in there another Diamond buddy joins us so we are doing 3 of us + 1 random.
No promotion for me.
My buddies continue to get more points for wins than I do.

I had high score of all 8 players in last 6 games.

My average SQ during the last 6 games is 96 which is in theory higher than everyone on NA or EU bnet. The only game where my unspent resources crept over 1K was when I had 1002 and a resource collection rate of 2300. I was on 7 bases (only 4 mining) when the game ended.

My buddy averaged 17 SQ over the same time period.

What gives?

Part of what is going on is the drops. I was 12-3 according to bnet that night, but it felt like 12-1 because of the 2 drops. Also, my score was probably pretty low in the drops, although looking at SQ it seems that I get credit for resources collected, but unspent resources goes to 0.
For that reason my SQs were insane because I would have stuff like 1100 collection rate and 120 unspent resources. Still I would have low score.

In previous nights we were playing on 3v3 and 4v4 teams and I was significantly drunk.
I had been drinking last Friday too, but I macro at around 75ish SQ when significantly drunk. When getting SQs over 100 it means I am sober or at least very close to sober.

So here is my theory:
First of all I have some degree of asberger's/autism. I am mostly highly functioning, but there were a few times in my life that this was particularly bad. Mostly it delayed reading till 4th grade for me. Part of this is the ability to block out all "distractions" when working on something.
Unfortunately my subconscious seems to do labeling of what is a distraction and in starcraft opponent's probes doing weird things that should key me into a cannon rush and "workers under attack" can also fall under distraction. I am very prone to getting cannon rushed and I am slow to respond or just don't respond to muta harass.

The upside is that my hyper focus allows me to have near pro level macro.

My buddy is well aware of all of my deficiencies and does stuff like use ovies to scout for cannons and micro my workers away when I get muta harassed. He also calls my attention to relevant stuff that my subconscious had labeled as "distraction."

There is no question that I become a MUCH better player when I play with my buddy.
I have a better chance of winning with him than with generic diamonds.

In that sense he is a diamond or better.

Furthermore my buddy rarely plays without me.

So here is the information bnet has.
I am okay when playing without Buddy.
Buddy is totally unknown when playing without me.
Buddy and I together are awesome.

From just that information it does seem reasonable to draw the conclusion that I am a solid platinum player and my buddy is a diamond or better.

There may also be some circular reasoning going on. I believe the reason that my buddies get more points for wins is because bnet thinks I am bad. Because I am bad and my buddies are good when I win it is not impressive, since even a lowly platinum can win with my teammates.
Meanwhile when my teammates win it is more impressive because they have done so while having to drag a lowly platinum (me) to victory.
The result is they keep outpacing me in points and the cycle just continues.

As a computer programmer I have some sympathy for bnet's conclusions, but I am still raging at being stuck in platinum.

I may start to focus on 1v1, where I think the system is a little better.



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SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
November 07 2011 22:56 GMT
#2
play hard go pro
mutalisks are awesome!
meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
November 09 2011 22:19 GMT
#3
Hah! Going pro won't happen. I would like to go diamond.

So yesterday began day 1 of my quest for 1v1 Diamond.
First game was PvP so I 4 gated. I know that it is "easily" countered these days, but I keep winning with the four gate, so I unlikely to switch build orders until my four gate starts to fail me.

My opponent did a 3 Stalker rush which denied the at ramp pylon, but I had already hidden a proxy not far from his base.
Apparently he had added a robo and his warp timing was about 30 seconds behind me.

This allowed me to attack his base with 3 Stalkers and a Zealot which was enough to snipe newly warped in units.
I used my next warp cycle to add units back home to stop his 3 stalkers dead in their tracks.
gg

I checked and he is a 1v1 Diamond, so maybe I am already close.

From here things get bad.
I play 2 Zergs in a row who hatch first. My cannon rushes fail (That is the proper response to Hatch first right?) and from there I am behind. I get solid on two bases, but Mass Mutas are out which makes taking a 3rd too hard.
Fail.

I then lose to Terran when my 1 gate expo build faces a solid 2 Rax Pressure.
I possibly pulled too many probes and lost a lot in the battle.
I actually won the battle overall and had a supply lead.
Sensing that I was ahead militarily, but behind economically I went for a 1.5 base timing.
This did terrible damage too him and he abandoned his natural and lost a ton of SCVs.
Then while up 10 in supply I made a critical mistake and attacked moved with Zealots, only rather than attacking units up the ramp they wailed on Supply Depots and what not on the low ground.
The result is he did far more damage than me. This enabled him to re-establish his natural.
At this point I felt back and restarted probing (I had cut at 35ish), but it turns out he was already 5 SCVs, 2 Mules and +1 Attack ahead so I lose not too long after this.

Finally I win another PvP. This guy tried to Forge first into Cannons on Tal-Darim.

Then I lose 3 more including a Zerg and 2 Terrans.
The Zerg game is a long macro game where I had a lead but Mutas were too much when there were enough of them.
My crucial mistake was not attacking soon enough.
I lost to a 1-1-1 with an epic fail.
I had basically held the push and he retreated back to his base.
I had 2 fully saturated bases so could not lose really.
Then I miscontrolled my contain and my zealot ball wandered in range of his siege tanks (he had like 10) and they all evaporated instantaneously. EPIC FAIL!!!

My other Terran loss occured when first SCV came to build bunker in my base. Not sure what to do I starting building a Zealot (normally I skip first Zealot), I built a second Gate instead of Core (thinking bunkers can't kite) and then used probes to attack bunker. This caused lost mining time.

Anyway, this was a classic case of over reaction. One of those would have been enough.
He shows up with a Reaper when I have like 3 Zealots and a Core half way done and the Reaper does terrible damage.
Then Conc Shells Marauder shows up and does more terrible damage.

Next game I 4 gate another Protoss. Platinum league is filled with Protoss's who copy pro build orders, but then fail to actually force field the ramp. I warp in 7th unit at 5:42, run up ramp and kill 2 sentries. No force field. No guardian shield.

Final game is Terran. This guy goes for 1-1-1 which 1 Gate Expo counters pretty hard.

I then contain him on one base and Take 3rd.

Soon he GGs.

Overall I was 4-6.
PvP 3-0
PvT 1-3
PvZ 0-3

Diamond 1-0

Platinum 3-6

My takeaways are:

#1) When reacting less is more. (If I had killed SCV and just built STalker as planned all would have been okay vs Reaper)

#2) Remember to attack soon against Zerg to punish Muta/Ling.

#3) When up 1-2 bases and containing Terran, army control is more important than macro.

My main question is:

#1) Vs Hatch first, should I continue cannon rushing or instead go for a really early timing?

My SQs were not nearly as high as they were in multiplayer. I was only averaging in the mid 80s, although I was pulled down hard but one of the Mass Muta games where he sniped Pylons like crazy and I was constantly supply blocked.
I only had 68 in that game.

When 4 Gating in PvP it is tough to get much over 85. My average unspent resources was under 200, but getting below that is impractical because you must save 175 for the Stalker. Also, micro is pretty important.

To be fair to Bnet it seems to have me right about where I belong. Still, since I did beat the one Diamond I played I now have even more confidence in my ability to beat Diamonds (although he was presumably a low Diamond if he was matched against me.)

meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 18:35:03
November 17 2011 18:29 GMT
#4
So a few more data points.

Last Thursday I played 6 games. I started 0-3 vs Zerg, but the last guy I lost to was former Master's player offracing as random, but got Zerg and stomped me.

He gave me some helpful pointers about pressuring earlier and then I won my next 2 vs Zerg.

I also 4 gated a Protoss.

Last weekend, we crushed all non masters in multiplayer as usual, but still no promotion.

My buddy is now #1 diamond while I am #20 Platinum (despite him only playing with me and me winning my only game without him.)
If he gets promoted to Masters while I am in Platinum I will be even more pissed.

So, I played a few 1v1s Tuesday. I lost to some Zergs like usual.
I beat a Terran who tried to Bunker rush. (I went Nexus before Core so I begged for it.)
I lose to a Terran that proxy raxed in my base. I should have gone for a cannon.
I beat a Toss who tried to cannon rush on Antigua. I got defensive cannons and chronoed a zealot.
Then I 4 gated some Toss and won.

The last guy, informed me he was a former master (current high diamond) smurfing on his little brother's account and he would have beat me, but he brainfarted and built a warp prism instead of immortal out of his robo.
(he did do this and I assumed some sort of cheesy rush)

He asked for BO3 to show me how it is done in masters. I figure this was a great learning experience so I said yes.

Next game he won with a K4G, but it was fairly close. Basically I kept mining and killed zealots with stalkers. Then when his army in my base was dead I moved out with 8 STalkers and 0 econ. I got to his base and killed some probes while kiting Zealots, but he started to get his own stalkers. From there I could not kill probes, run from zealots and take damage from stalkers without just losing. He was down to about 6 probes and I was up to three when my last Stalker went down. He also had 3 Stalkers of his won. It was over.

Next game he tried going robo again. He used 2 early stalkers to deny 1 forward pylon and scouting probe, but missed other proxy pylon outside his base. My first warp went to his ramp. He FFed with 1 stalker on high ground, so I sniped Sentry that still had energy. He had not enough gas for another sentry and no more energy so I then ran up ramp and won again.

He wanted BO5.

Next game he used 3 Stalker rush and successfully denied my forward pylon. From there I knew I was behind and I knew he opened robo so I tried to feign pressure and force forcefields while I did a contain myself.

I also expoed behind this. I actually got a slight lead and pulled back when I thought blink might be done.

From there it was a long macro game where I got up 5 bases to 3. I went Chargelot ARchon (with a bunch of stalkers from early game.) He went Colossus.

I did not get upgrades because I thought I could not afford them being behind and that cost me. My 0/0 army got crushed by his smaller 3/3 army. When game ended he won, but I actually had high score. That is rare in 1v1.

In final game he 3 stalker rushed and killed my first zealot and stalker and went for my base, but totally missed my proxy pylon. I warped in a zealot and 3 stalkers at his base. All he had was a Sentry which delayed with 1 FF. Then I ran up ramp with 8 units and sniped sentry + immortal. I killed reinforcements as they warped in. His Stalkers came back but were too small.

So I took a BO5 off of a former masters player. That is not too bad, although he is diamond now and admits that he is worst vs Protoss.

Also I am confident he was a smurf because he had a 20 game win streak before losing to me.


Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
November 17 2011 18:36 GMT
#5
the battle.net system isn't broken, if you're so good then get your win percentage to 90%+ then you can complain about "being in the wrong league"
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 17 2011 18:49 GMT
#6
Yes, if you are so good then get promoted. There is nothing wrong with the system, it does not hate you.
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