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why democracy sucks

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
October 14 2011 04:45 GMT
#1
oh look its a caller blog

What exactly is so good about democracy again? What makes democracy a better government than any other form of government? Let's list the things that make democracy good:

a) As a governmental system, it is more stable because people accept the decisions made by "the majority." Which is basically to say, if something happens, since the people who are against it are outnumbered, they won't try and start something.
b) Because democracy is a system by the people, for the people, and since people don't enjoy wars that threaten their livelihoods, no democracy will go to war against another democracy.
c) Because we hold leaders to term limits, this reduces the possibility of tyrants taking over and destroying the country.
d) Democracies tend to be more tolerant of other religions, cultures, and ideas.
e) Democracies often have a Bill of Rights or a similar mechanism to prevent the government from wielding too much power.

Now, there are two ways to approach issues with democracy. One is in a sense of how our democracy is currently implemented-which is to say, why our system of democracy (the representative democracy) is flawed. The other is why democracy straight out sucks as a system compared to other methods.

Let's start with the former. Why our democracy sucks. The first one should be the most obvious: namely, because representatives are elected on 2, 4, and 6 year cycles, they will do what is most beneficial for them in 2, 4, and 6 year cycles. Which is to say, they tend to place an emphasis on the short-term at the expense of the long-term. It makes sense for two reasons: firstly, it doesn't make sense to support an initiative for 20 years down the road when you are unsure if you'll even be around 6 years down the road. Secondly, the people that vote in disproportionate numbers are the elderly. The elderly tend to look at the short-term, as they simply do not have as long of an expected life expectancy as someone who is 20. Thus, it is no surprise that the system tends to favor short-term initiatives. One could compare this to the typical public company, where CEOs are judged (and often paid) based on the annual performance of a company. The problem here is, what tends to happen is that to cut costs, employees tend to be laid off. This thus increases short-term profit, but will drastically impact production in the future.

People tend to look at the short-term, especially if they are less well-off. Why would I care about 20 years down the road when I can barely feed myself day to day? The problem is, growth doesn't work that way. You can't borrow against the future heavily and expect to not have to pay it back.

But that's not the purpose of this blog. As you see above, I don't say "why our democracy sucks" but rather "why democracy sucks." And the answer is because, democracies do not stay as democracies, especially when they are in a hegemonic position. Non-hegemonic democracies, such as Switzerland, tend to be more stable. Let's take a look at powerful democracies (not constitutional monarchies) over the years:

City-state of Athens: Formed the Delian League, an alliance of democracies. As the dominant power, it quickly centralized control over the league and formed the Athenian Empire, which then collapsed after a war with Sparta.
Roman Republic: Under Caesar, turned into the Roman Empire, which then collapsed to barbarians and later the Ottomans.
Venetian "Most Serene Republic." Turned into an empire, then collapsed to Ottomans.
Dutch Republic: Republic in name, but all "stadtholders," or leaders, came from the same area.
French 1st Republic: Became the 1st French Empire (under Napoleon), then collapsed.
French 2nd Republic: Became 2nd French Empire (under Louis Napoleon) then collapsed.
German Weimar Republic: Became 3rd Reich, then collapsed.

To be fair, almost all empires collapse in one way or another. But this is mostly due to their belligerence. The Athenians tried to stick their nose into minor affairs on the opposite side of Greece, and got Sparta'd. The Romans tried to expand too far, and bit off more than they could chew. Same with the Venetians. The Dutch got their ass bit because they were too busy dwelling overseas to deal with the threat next door. Napoleon, and later his nephew, both tried to bite off more than they could chew of Europe. So did Hitler.

My concern is not that monarchies or empires are a better way to rule. The concern is that republican government, if put into a position of power, quickly succumbs to its own tendencies. As soon as a republic gains significant power, it quickly becomes an empire: once Greece had boiled down to Athens vs. Sparta, Athens consolidated its power while Sparta did not: with the Romans, once Carthage had been wiped out, it took just 100 years for the inevitable fracturing of the republic for Caesar to take advantage of: with the French, the republic lasted less than 20 years before becoming an empire: Once Germany rose into a position of relative strength, bad things happened.

So that leaves one question. Does the US, with its policy of creating democracy throughout the world (similar to what the Athenians did in Greece) have a hegemony? If so, are we in the same position as Athens, when confronted with the relative oligarchy that is China today? Or are we an exception to this rule, if this is indeed a rule? Time will tell.

tldr you just got trolled


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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
October 14 2011 04:53 GMT
#2
I expected this to be a Mafia-based rant on how stupid town is getting. That's a democratic vote right there.

In any case, well played.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
October 14 2011 04:55 GMT
#3
Red is always mafia.
Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
October 14 2011 04:57 GMT
#4
This was way too smart for me
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 14 2011 05:04 GMT
#5
do you have anything better?
posting on liquid sites in current year
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
October 14 2011 05:13 GMT
#6
how was i trolled?
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 14 2011 05:13 GMT
#7
You need to provide alternatives imo.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#8
can you make a guide on why lemonwalrus sucks next??
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 14 2011 05:23 GMT
#9
Did you really call the Weimar Republic a powerful democracy?
I am the Town Medic.
NeVeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1352 Posts
October 14 2011 05:23 GMT
#10
hey caller i'm calling you man
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
October 14 2011 05:31 GMT
#11
Oh look. paragraph after paragraph. Scroll down. Look at last line. Fuck Yeah.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 23:11:11
October 14 2011 05:40 GMT
#12
Wheres your naysayer, caller. This is a high school level paper.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
October 14 2011 05:46 GMT
#13
I skipped to the last line o.0
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 05:48:42
October 14 2011 05:48 GMT
#14
On October 14 2011 14:20 Coagulation wrote:
can you make a guide on why lemonwalrus sucks next??

Where the fuck is your Blue Creature man; you let the General Forum down.

But I will agree to this, Lemonwalrus blog must come next!
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chocolatebunny
Profile Joined September 2011
301 Posts
October 14 2011 05:59 GMT
#15
well i can argue that the athens didn't like their democracy. they (or Plato and Socrates did) wanted to be like Sparta. so their ideal government wasn't their own, but a timocracy like sparta had.
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
October 14 2011 06:02 GMT
#16
This blog post is silly. The title of the blog is "why democracy sucks" and it fails to take any other form of government into comparison. You don't argue that Democracy sucks compared to Monarchy, or Communism, or anything like that. You cite examples from history that aren't indicative of democracy at all. The Weimar Republic was intended to be the pioneering Pseudo-presidential democracy and it failed. It failed more because it didn't meet the qualifications of democracy than because it was a democracy.

We have entered a period of western democracy that is one of stability. Democracy, as a concept, is less efficient, but better suited to guard the rights of the people. So yes, democracy sucks at strengthening the economy if you don't mind repressive governments.
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AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 06:25:44
October 14 2011 06:25 GMT
#17
I agree completely. + Show Spoiler +
I too skipped to the last line
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Weson
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Iceland1032 Posts
October 14 2011 06:42 GMT
#18
I always skip to the last line when there are a mountain of text. Seems it's a good routine^^
"!@€#" - as some guy said
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
October 14 2011 07:17 GMT
#19
On October 14 2011 15:02 mbr2321 wrote:
This blog post is silly. The title of the blog is "why democracy sucks" and it fails to take any other form of government into comparison. You don't argue that Democracy sucks compared to Monarchy, or Communism, or anything like that. You cite examples from history that aren't indicative of democracy at all. The Weimar Republic was intended to be the pioneering Pseudo-presidential democracy and it failed. It failed more because it didn't meet the qualifications of democracy than because it was a democracy.

We have entered a period of western democracy that is one of stability. Democracy, as a concept, is less efficient, but better suited to guard the rights of the people. So yes, democracy sucks at strengthening the economy if you don't mind repressive governments.

I don't agree with calling the Weimar Republic a pseudo-democracy because it had the inherent flaw of not being stable and finally admitted power to an undemocratic group. Polybius' sequence of anacyclosis predicts exactly this behaviour of democracy since antiquity.

The modern, stable form of democracy, tailored to each nation's needs, is just a very special form of democracy, and by no means natural.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6236 Posts
October 14 2011 09:29 GMT
#20
Dutch Republic: Republic in name, but all "stadtholders," or leaders, came from the same area.


They came from that area because it was the richest and the area which was in the actual golden age. The rest of the republic especially the east was quite poor compared to them.

The Dutch got their ass bit because they were too busy dwelling overseas to deal with the threat next door


This is just not true, the dutch got their ass bit because the raadspensionaris was in power who invested into a big navy but didn't invest in the land army. France and England only teamed up because the republic was so economically powerful that this was their best shot to break their power.
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