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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
That's why I never understand the cons outweighing the pros here of hiring immigrated teachers. I understand equality of job opportunity for everyone, but you're also making it harder for non-first-language students to understand the course. dilemma. | ||
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DoublespeakUS
United States55 Posts
On October 13 2011 01:59 caradoc wrote: Understanding the syntax of a particular language is not the same to being able to speak a language. Its like saying I can't take a course on European history unless a European is teaching it. Ha, that is not what I was saying at all. She definitely understood the rules of English syntax better than most people. I know she was extremely knowledgable about the subject. But, trying to understand her English while also trying to comprehend the difficult concepts of English was quite a handful. In no way did I say her intellect on the subject was hindered because of her background. To make it simple and in one sentence. Trying to learn english from a person who pronounces english in a way which is hard to comprehend is hard... Your analogy isn't a very good one. | ||
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DoublespeakUS
United States55 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:32 Torte de Lini wrote: If a person who is familiar and comfortable with the English language has trouble understanding the professor, what of the immigrants who aren't too good with their English? How do they manage to understand? That's why I never understand the cons outweighing the pros here of hiring immigrated teachers. I understand equality of job opportunity for everyone, but you're also making it harder for non-first-language students to understand the course. dilemma. If you are learning English for the first time, what does it matter what it sounds like to you? Either way, it will sound weird and be difficult. I don't think certain accents matter because it will be the first time hearing the phonetics of the language, any first impressions of the language will sound strange. They would easily understand the accent, probably even more so than someone who knows the language but is not familiar with the accent. | ||
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Kon-Tiki
United States402 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:38 DoublespeakUS wrote: If you are learning English for the first time, what does it matter what it sounds like to you? Either way, it will sound weird and be difficult. I don't think certain accents matter because it will be the first time hearing the phonetics of the language, any first impressions of the language will sound strange. They would easily understand the accent, probably even more so than someone who knows the language but is not familiar with the accent. You aren't learning English for the first time, you have a grasp on the language, but if the words aren't being pronounced as you are accustomed to hearing it or he deviates from the expected pace of the language, then it may be confusing. You aren't going to the class to learn English, you're at university learning to get a degree in a specific field. | ||
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Escoffier
United States120 Posts
but when I hear a Frenchman try to speak English usually it's painful to hear. but I'm supposed to be polite and deal with it? While they continue to blabber on in what might as well be french? I had a friend who was studying Chinese and he quit his classes because he went to Chinatown to practice his Chinese and he got laughed at everywhere :\ | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
Does this make me a horrible human being? On topic, if you can't understand him just leave. I've kicked plenty of lectures where the professor didn't speak German and had terrible English skills. And headphones in a lecture are a no-go where I come from. Seems disrespectful towards the professor. | ||
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j0k3r
United States577 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:32 Torte de Lini wrote: If a person who is familiar and comfortable with the English language has trouble understanding the professor, what of the immigrants who aren't too good with their English? How do they manage to understand? That's why I never understand the cons outweighing the pros here of hiring immigrated teachers. I understand equality of job opportunity for everyone, but you're also making it harder for non-first-language students to understand the course. dilemma. Some university departments *cough NYU Courant* only give a shit about the research these guys can accomplish. And the research accomplishments are a lion's share of national rankings. I can't tell you how many Russian/Asian/Middle Eastern professors I've had to struggle to understand. They know their subjects well but can't speak English worth a lick. Actually I have only had 2 American professors in my field of major that I can remember... and I'm a junior now. | ||
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:23 Escoffier wrote: somewhat related: I hate it when people make fun of Americans for having an American accent when we try to speak their language... even going so far as to blame it on our nationality "dumb Americans" (French people especially are guilty of this) but when I hear a Frenchman try to speak English usually it's painful to hear. but I'm supposed to be polite and deal with it? While they continue to blabber on in what might as well be french? I had a friend who was studying Chinese and he quit his classes because he went to Chinatown to practice his Chinese and he got laughed at everywhere :\ I'm currently doing uni in France, and from what i've seen most people find that foreign accents are perfectly acceptable. There are people from all over the world here, and not once have I seen someone discouraged to continue speaking French because they don't have perfect accent. I had a math professor from Egypt. I've never heard an Arabian accent before in my life so naturally on the first day, I had a hard time understanding what he was saying. After a week, I then started to get used to it. Today, I now perfectly understand every word he's saying. I tried, and succeeded. The "dumb American" thing is definitely a prevalent comment to be found, but it was never about how you pronounce their language, it stems from something else, a combination of things in fact - namely the attitude of a large percentage of americans-who-thinks-the-world-starts-from-california-and-ends-in-maine have on the world. I've never understood the need to listen to perfect English all the time. On top of that, this demand for "perfect accent" seems to only come from native-English speakers who feel that English should be the only language in the world. You, of all people, native speakers, should require the less effort to understand someone speaking your language - but you just didn't bother to try hard enough. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:23 Escoffier wrote: somewhat related: I hate it when people make fun of Americans for having an American accent when we try to speak their language... even going so far as to blame it on our nationality "dumb Americans" (French people especially are guilty of this) but when I hear a Frenchman try to speak English usually it's painful to hear. but I'm supposed to be polite and deal with it? While they continue to blabber on in what might as well be french? I had a friend who was studying Chinese and he quit his classes because he went to Chinatown to practice his Chinese and he got laughed at everywhere :\ Way to make generalizations lol. Who are those French people you are talking about btw ? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:26 Flaccid wrote: Watch a bunch of Kelly Milkies vods to train your ear. This comment didn't get enough love, so I'm showing it some I always hated these types of professors in school. If one of the chief functions of your job is verbal communication, and you cannot speak the language properly, you should not be holding that job. | ||
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Zaranth
United States345 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:12 Roe wrote: are you this person by any chance? Can't have that without this as a follow-up: | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
But we did have one chinese teacher who was a total boss At the end of the first lecture he said "Does eh, eny ofa you hahve eny proohbrem with my engerish?" with an extra thick accent Then he said "nothing i can do, much rather teach you in chinese ha ha~" What a king lol | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
On October 13 2011 05:29 Zaranth wrote: Can't have that without this as a follow-up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulEMWj3sVA eff, beat me to it | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:26 Flaccid wrote: Watch a bunch of Kelly Milkies vods to train your ear. Valid advice. Also, Roffles I am disappoint. This blog did not really deliver. On a more relevant note, I've had a plenty of teachers/professors with thick accents and I just found them amusing. Not like I actually paid much attention to what was being said. Yawn, stretch, whip out your phone, and play some games. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On October 13 2011 07:11 rei wrote: Students say Ching Chong DingDong to me when they first meet me, and ask if i'm jackie chan. I would call them racist in front of the whole class and write up a referral in front of them and then laugh. And then there were some who refuse to go along, I would call up security and says need help removing racism from my class. Fun times. People like you destroy CHILDREN'S LIVES. If I want to get close to my chinese teacher, but don't know how to break the ice, then I would utter the most common chinese phrase I know. Then you remove me from class for being racist because you're too offended by something so trivial and narrow minded, and make me hate chinese people. It's a common thing to go up to black people and be like what up my nigga, or go up to korean people and be like what up my gook or what up sibal. They can take that thing lightheartedly as a joke. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I hope this is accurate because the second search result was titled Sibal - - What Does My Name Mean? | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On October 13 2011 23:45 0123456789 wrote: People like you destroy CHILDREN'S LIVES. If I want to get close to my chinese teacher, but don't know how to break the ice, then I would utter the most common chinese phrase I know. Then you remove me from class for being racist because you're too offended by something so trivial and narrow minded, and make me hate chinese people. It's a common thing to go up to black people and be like what up my nigga, or go up to korean people and be like what up my gook or what up sibal. They can take that thing lightheartedly as a joke. I'm not a good person, I do it for rofls, all for my own entertainment, i am not even offended by it. Other than my own entertainment I just hope the experience burn enough of a memory in them that the next time they feel like come up to a complete stranger start saying some random racist BS trying to impress his own friends they will remember what happened the last time. Because who knows some of these dumb asses would say it to, it maybe someone who is really narrow minded and put some bullets up that racist's ass. As for you, your ignorance knows no bounds. The most common Chinese phrase you know is "ching Chong Ding Dong" ?? hahahahaha If you don't know something then please don't say anything at all, nobody would take you for a mute if you keep your mouth shut. Please do hate Chinese people, you don't need an excuse( me for example) to hate Chinese people, hate it proudly and loudly, scream Ching Chong Ding Dong in China Town, do it man do it!. hahahaha | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
If it's just a lecture, you can always copy the notes from someone who understood and wrote down everything. There are always such people, so if you can't understand anything, better not waste your time. Or try to listen better, dunno -.-;; | ||
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