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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 26 2011 13:18 GMT
#61
On September 26 2011 12:17 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Ultima Online was my first RPG experience. Soooo good. KAL VAS FLAM!

Corp por for life yo
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
September 26 2011 13:19 GMT
#62
On September 26 2011 21:17 Morfildur wrote:
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On September 26 2011 20:31 Lucumo wrote:
What bothers me is that most MMOGs don't have the possibility to distribute stat points. Balancing STR, AGI, INT etc etc is where half the fun lies :/
This way, you can also further personalize your character.


I actually don't like it if you have to distribute stat points in MMOs unless there is a way to re-distribute them.
Normal MMOs don't take that much time, so if you messed up due to a lack of knowledge, you just create a new character and then you're fine.
In MMOs, if you were clueless the first 10 levels because you were just goofing around trying things and it ends up messing up the late game it's a game breaking flaw imho.
I'm afraid of GW2 messing it up :-/

However, if the stat points can be redistributed, it's a nice mechanic and there is nothing i have against it.

Hm, f2p MMOGs have cash shops + you almost always get such an item from a quest for free. So, screwing up one time is not that bad.
Also, it's unlikely that only 10 levels will mess everything up. And don't forget that "lack of knowledge" is the person's fault. Before open beta starts, there are always guides and builds in the forum. Being lazy or a casual player is not a good excuse...which, by the way, brings me to another point: Need exp reduction when you die. Otherwise, it's way too casual-friendly and annoying -_-
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
September 26 2011 13:48 GMT
#63
On September 26 2011 19:29 Kaal wrote:
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On September 26 2011 10:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
Where the fuck is Ragnarok Online?

Seriously, how can you miss that? It's great animations, absolutely gorgeous and memorable soundtrack, funny creatures and decent quests.

A bit of a grind? Yeah, I guess. But the PVP was awesome [WOE], the different classes were a nice twist (dancer, monk, etc.) tier classes.

My God, the card system and classic leveling?

Classic. I'd go back in an instant.


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That's funny. A bit of a grind. Gosh you are such a joker. It's not like it took over a week of grinding to get from 98-99 normal, if you played without sleeping. Of a month to get from 98->99 Trans class. Unless you played on a private server. I played iRO, kRO, and jRO for over 7 years. For 3 years straight AA clan was the top clan only because I had found two GTB cards by waking up every day on the minute when GTB spawned for my entire High School Summer Vacation.


Ragnarok Online is the epitome of Korean MMO, the grind is fucking hilariously long, the items dropped at less .0000001% for the rarest items such as GTB, and the game took up your SOUL.

YOUR.

SOUL.


gtb super ez mode to camp though. its not even that useful when you look at it either :p
the courage to be a lazy bum
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 13:52:35
September 26 2011 13:51 GMT
#64
Nice blog, MMO's are awesome not only because of the game-related content and rewards, but because of the community. You don't get the sense of a strong community elsewhere - MMO's really nail that into the game with dungeons and bosses which will require a lot of cooperation and teamwork. Sorry to hear that you had a tough time with all the guilds, but I think it probably had to do more with your attitude towards the game and the various communities... as long as you find an English-speaking non-foreign (was tempted to list out the nationalities here but I don't want to look racist) guild, it should have been easy enough to settle.

I played various MMO's throughout my teenage years but the first serious MMO I got into was Cabal Online (NA version). Loved the flashy graphics and the combo system (which required you to actually time your attacks and plan out your combo with more than one skill). PvP was pretty one-dimensional (break the other guy's combo while maintaining yours) but that had a huge skill spectrum, and the top PvPers were not only the best geared (obviously) but also the most skilled. In other words, even if your gear wasn't elite top tier, you could get away with somewhat top tier gear and really good dash/fade combo-ing. Anyways, with all the details put aside, I put a good 2-3 years into that game, and stuck with one guild the entire time. Eventually got promoted to guild officer and organized regular boss raids before I quit for good to save my free-falling GPA. Details for any other Cabal players (or former players), I was a level 159 FB when I quit (lvl cap was 170, sigh).

After Cabal, I took full-year break from MMO's until I picked up MapleStory (lol thanks TL) this year in January. As you mentioned in the OP, my mind was blown. Big Bang made this game actually a playable game. My back-in-2005 characters were basically obsolete. Started fresh with the great bunch of TLers here, and I'm still there =) At this point the game's not really about achieving top damage status, it's more about just hanging out with fellow TLers, wasting time, doing a boss or two, and talking about how imba 1-1-1 is (without getting banned on TL, haha!).

I suppose I'll try out D3 when public beta is released, but I'm more hyped for Cabal 2... too bad they announced it back in March and never updated ever since. I hope ESTSoft has enough money to plow through and give us a release date at the least.
[TLMS] REBOOT
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
September 26 2011 13:54 GMT
#65
On September 26 2011 10:40 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 10:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
Where the fuck is Ragnarok Online?

Seriously, how can you miss that? It's great animations, absolutely gorgeous and memorable soundtrack, funny creatures and decent quests.

A bit of a grind? Yeah, I guess. But the PVP was awesome [WOE], the different classes were a nice twist (dancer, monk, etc.) tier classes.

My God, the card system and classic leveling?

Classic. I'd go back in an instant.

I never played it but I heard about it. I did play a few other MMORPGs I didn't mention like:
  • PristonTale - This was before WoW actually, but me and my bro stopped playing it when it turned pay to play.
  • Knight Online - It was okay. There wasn't really much point to it and it was confusing. The ironic thing is that when I was playing, it was supposedly a F2P game but you couldn't get on a server because it was over capacity without subscribing.
  • Fly For Fun - Felt kinda dull. Level 15 turned from spamming 1 ability to spamming 2 abilities, and level 20 is like HORRAY I CAN FINALLY FLY....and 5 minutes later getting bored because there's no content apart from grinding mobs that did nothing but attack you.
  • Dofus/Wakfu - The most boring game I had ever played, and yes, I am listing them both as one game because they are basically the same near identical game.
  • Warhammer Online - I played during the Endless Trial. Jesus Christ that game was near death... There was virtually nobody online


FYI I absolutely loved Dofus until the UK only server I played on died and all the cool people that I knew got replaced by 10,000 obnoxious polish kids.

Also, all MMOs are boring as far as game mechanics go, but they have a strong social element which keeps them interesting. How good an MMO is just depends on how good the social element is.
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#66
I'm quite sure my RuneScape is 7 or 8 years old, and I'm not going to lie, I'm liking it now
Bought member last month and I really enjoyed all the new content. I'm quite sure I will eventually lose interest again though, after the excitement of being a member fades.

Also, MapleStory. Or MapleSEA rather. Cassiopeia is the best world there, easily, and the Big Bang patch made it rather playable again. However, the community now is just so horribad that I went "fuck it" and went back to DotA.

I'm quite sure I acquired SC2 at around that time too.

MU Online. Not sure how many of you have heard of it, but I liked it a lot before K2 or whatever acquired Webzen. I'm quite sure this is the only MMORPG where I've PvPed in, although my character was pathetic and often preyed on players 1/3 my level.
ffxiv enjoyer
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 14:41:36
September 26 2011 14:28 GMT
#67
On September 26 2011 23:06 DoNotDisturb wrote:
I'm quite sure my RuneScape is 7 or 8 years old, and I'm not going to lie, I'm liking it now
Bought member last month and I really enjoyed all the new content. I'm quite sure I will eventually lose interest again though, after the excitement of being a member fades.


You'll probably lose interest within a few months or a year. I certainly did.

Plus the grind in Runescape turns from "Oh, this is quite bearable" to "Holy shit" as you realise that 98 - 99 takes millions of experience points to obtain, and probably a few weeks of just clicking.

Also, MapleStory. Or MapleSEA rather. Cassiopeia is the best world there, easily, and the Big Bang patch made it rather playable again.


I play on Global. The community isn't that bad but the Big Bang update really improved the game to turn from your typical Korean grindfest to an actual decent MMO. I remember it taking 7 hours of constant grinding to get from level 25 to 26 before, but now it's more like half an hour.

However, if I have several criticisms of Nexon and MapleStory, it's this:
  • Region segregation - Now, I cannot invite any of my friends to play on GMS because Global is basically North American these days. Despite the fact that Global has updates earlier and speaks english (sort of like SEA does), I cannot play on there because they restricted new signups. It reminds me of the controversy of when they opened up the Hong Kong/Macau version and outright geoblocked all HK/Macau residents from the Global version, basically implying that they should fuck off and start anew (basically losing all the NX Cash and characters they invested in), whilst restricting them to a Chinese only, inferior (very behind in terms of updates) version of the game. MapleEurope is basically MapleGlobal but a year behind (no Chaos and certainly no Ascension.) Should it be fair that I miss out on a lot of content that they're willingly providing for free, funded by microtransactions because I wasn't born in the United States or Canada? No. As somebody who hates geoblocking, this grinds my fucking gears.
  • Terrible customer support. I continually see threads on the GMS forums complaining about their support. Furthermore, getting a technical response from them is like trying to force down a brick wall using just a paintbrush and a small jar of enamel paint. This also goes back to the era when the game got vac hacked to fucking oblivion. You literally couldn't level anywhere because there were mobs being sucked into a certain point whilst some douche autoattacked day and night, probably using a bot.
  • The game client is buggy. Having played it lately on Windows 7, I can report occasional full system crashes and a commonly occuring bug where your keyboard gets locked out, and you have to reactivate it either by unplugging it and plugging it back in, or restarting your computer. Even playing before the Big Bang update on Windows XP, I noticed many bugs such as randomly floating to the top left of the map, disconnecting every 2 minutes etc.
  • Being forced to launch your game from the game's website as opposed to the executible that is on your HDD (that redirects me to the MapleStory website to launch the game), true Korean MMO style is just stupid. I noticed a lot of Korean MMOs do this and I cannot see any logical reason why MapleStory had to enforce this method of launching the game. I can only think of two Western games that do this (one of which is browser based anyway) and that is Quake Live and Battlefield Heroes. Why did Nexon have to switch to this system? It's a pain in the ass especially since the website doesn't remember logins.


However, the community now is just so horribad that I went "fuck it" and went back to DotA.


I had some bad times with DotA, namely having to deal with assholes who will just flame you, call you a feeder and boot/banlist you from a game because you didn't follow the stereotypical item path and get Boots of Speed followed by Buriza.

The community is so newbie unfriendly that I literally avoided DotA Allstars maps on battle.net, which is basically 95% of all custom games.

MU Online. Not sure how many of you have heard of it, but I liked it a lot before K2 or whatever acquired Webzen. I'm quite sure this is the only MMORPG where I've PvPed in, although my character was pathetic and often preyed on players 1/3 my level.


Never really touched that game, had a friend who did and he never went near it again.
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 23:58:07
September 26 2011 23:57 GMT
#68
On September 26 2011 20:49 Thrill wrote:
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On September 26 2011 11:41 Adebisi wrote:
I played Lineage 2 extremely hardcore. Super fun game but HUGE timesink, basically the worst grind of any MMORPG released in the western world, unfortunately that's what made the game good, because it had REAL PvP, and it meant something when you died. It bothers me so much when dying means nothing, much less you can't even talk to your opponents ... (cough wow). The open political system just made the game so fun. Unfortunately it was so time consuming, it got to a point where I just had to say no more. lol.

Either way, had tons of fun, if no one knows anything about Lineage 2, my guild had some pretty cool fraps movies with really nice production value. Feel free to take a peak.



Is my attitude towards MMORPGs not actually being a game and more of an overscheduled timesink accurate?


Pretty much, the problem with MMORPGs is casual friendly games with no grind are just meaningless, and a real grind means... you basically can't have a life outside the game, but the game can be really fun, and you will meet tons of awesome people, even if you're all somewhat demented in one way or another from sitting behind a computer too long.


That was an awesome video, thank you. Wish they still made games like that.


Glad you like it . Lots more on YouTube just look up Uprising if you're interested.

Its cool a lot of people bringing up Warhammer, I played on Dark Crag and we dominated pretty hard in terms of Alliance (there was huge zerg of Horde, everyone played Horde lol) but the game just lagged out in every big castle siege, I remember it would always crash as soon as the real mass PvP started, so much potential in that game :[. Warhammer is actually the PERFECT universe for an MMORPG imo. Although I wish there was more politics and even the possibility of infighting.
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
September 27 2011 08:32 GMT
#69
I've tried a few over the years.

Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing.

Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think.

Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked.

Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot.

I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.)

They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears)

I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that.

In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever.

I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.-
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Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 14:13:00
September 27 2011 14:06 GMT
#70
On September 27 2011 17:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
I've tried a few over the years.

Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing.

Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think.

Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked.

Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot.

I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.)

They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears)

I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that.

In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever.

I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.-


I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question.

1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French. Some of the menus didn't get translated and there clearly wasn't a working English option for some of the pages.

2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates? If it's really far behind (I'm talking Europe MapleStory behind then I won't bother.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 27 2011 14:12 GMT
#71
On September 27 2011 23:06 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 17:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
I've tried a few over the years.

Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing.

Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think.

Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked.

Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot.

I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.)

They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears)

I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that.

In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever.

I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.-


I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question.

1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French.

2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates?



Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent.

Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
September 27 2011 14:54 GMT
#72
Ultima Online was my first and final MMORPG and it was great, i like the human aspect of the game since you could battle all sorts of animals, beasts or monsters but everyone was a human hehe!

Loved the magic aspect of the game and yes it was a huge timesink much like for instance travian. Travian you only use your browser but it's very addictive and time consuming.

I left UO and travian and won't pick up any game like that ever.. or so i hope ;D
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ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:06:46
September 27 2011 15:04 GMT
#73
On September 27 2011 23:12 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 23:06 Clbull wrote:
On September 27 2011 17:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
I've tried a few over the years.

Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing.

Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think.

Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked.

Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot.

I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.)

They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears)

I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that.

In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever.

I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.-


I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question.

1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French.

2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates?



Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent.

Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good.


Eh you really shouldn't be dying to magic anyways unless your fighting a 2x sala / fallen bishop wiz, either that or your DLP prof is terrible. you should always be using thara / horn, defaulting gtb is like begging to get AD'd / sonic'd / gfisted

also Lumina is pretty much dead, avg. population is like sub 100 these days. i guess people finally got fed up with the incompetent gms
the courage to be a lazy bum
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:15:02
September 27 2011 15:04 GMT
#74
On September 27 2011 23:12 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 23:06 Clbull wrote:
On September 27 2011 17:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
I've tried a few over the years.

Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing.

Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think.

Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked.

Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot.

I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.)

They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears)

I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that.

In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever.

I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.-


I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question.

1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French.

2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates?



Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent.

Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good.

Well I don't speak Korean or Japanese, so I think navigating the kRO or jRO websites would be really hard to actually do. Plus the clients may be in their native languages or sign-ups and log-ins may be geographically blocked seeing as i'm in Europe.

Also, aren't private servers for any MMORPG known to be buggy, unreliable, hard to set up or quickly shut down via cease and decist by the publishers' legal team? I dunno about Ragnarok Online but I don't know of any.

I once tried a Runescape private server and basically disconnected every minute. Plus there was barely any content, it was basically one of those "Speak to this NPC, get 99 in every skill, get an assortment of Melee, Range and Magic gear, walk outside and PK like a beast" types of ones.

I knew a friend that tried WoW private servers before going on to the real game. They're very niche, often don't emulate the WoW experience without major bugs or inconsistencies and often descend into just max level PvP.

Now that you mention it, iRO's update schedule doesn't seem that bad compared to other Korean MMOs I played. I believe that GMS was at one point around 2 - 3 years behind KMS but now is more like a year behind, and that EMS is around a year or two behind GMS. It took them around 2 years later than GMS to get the 4th Job Advancement update and they've only JUST got the Big Bang update whereas GMS had that shit for over a year now, is on Chaos and in days will be on Ascension.

I wouldn't mind waiting a year longer for probably endgame updates that I won't realistically reach unless I grind for 10 hours per day for months.

On September 28 2011 00:04 ZoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 23:12 Kaal wrote:
On September 27 2011 23:06 Clbull wrote:
On September 27 2011 17:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
I've tried a few over the years.

Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing.

Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think.

Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked.

Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot.

I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.)

They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears)

I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that.

In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever.

I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.-


I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question.

1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French.

2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates?



Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent.

Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good.


Eh you really shouldn't be dying to magic anyways unless your fighting a 2x sala / fallen bishop wiz, either that or your DLP prof is terrible. you should always be using thara / horn, defaulting gtb is like begging to get AD'd / sonic'd / gfisted

also Lumina is pretty much dead, avg. population is like sub 100 these days. i guess people finally got fed up with the incompetent gms


What's your stance on iRO and decent RO private servers?
darcevader88
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:28:03
September 27 2011 15:22 GMT
#75
where do i start?

It all begin one dark dark day in the summer of.. yea i dont remember which year LOL

but anyway, my first MMo experience was with a little game called Last Kingdom, which was pretty damn fun at the time (note: i was maybe 12?) i played for like 6 months and then the game was cancelled on me just as i approached max leve l still makes me angry.

From there I moved onto UO where I played on numerous free shards, from arcadia?(arcodia!?) to some smaller ones my friends were hosting/gming (i even gm'ed a few mid level ones at the time) played the crap out of UO for as long as i could possibly play during junior high -> into high school.

woah totally forgot, in between UO and WoW i played a crap load of iRO and to like 79/40~?? or somewhere there as a mage->wiz.. that shit was ultra fun but got SOOO grindy and none of my friends played so it was a lot of solo shiz

Grade 11 in high school i get introduced to WoW (i was also a d2 addict) so i got into WoW beta and i was hooked like a junkie, play the everliving crap out of WoW, top 15 in world guild clearing almost all content (aftermath lightning's blade [necronis]), pvped the hell out of it aswell (my true passion) got to rank 14, had pretty much every pvp item you could want in the game. BC rolls out, I decide it's just not worth it to do that all over again to be the best and quit/sell my acct / move on to RL until sc2 comes out and boom. I keep trying to get out, and you can't DRAGGING ME BACK! (damn you blizz)
"The ground is my ocean, I'm the shark and most people don't even know how to swim."
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 15:23:52
September 27 2011 15:23 GMT
#76
On September 28 2011 00:04 Clbull wrote:
What's your stance on iRO and decent RO private servers?


Honestly its just preference, there are literally hundreds of private servers around. I'd imagine all of them are pretty updated as most run the game off eAthena which has their own development team. The trick is to pick the server you feel like you'd enjoy yourself the most on, like low / middle / high rates and server specific custom additions, and a good GM team. Lumina was quite good, i remember their population averaged 700ish at one point, but the gm team was in fact terrible and had no idea what they were doing, it just took them a while to straight up kill their woe scene and all the guilds ended up leaving
the courage to be a lazy bum
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
September 27 2011 15:37 GMT
#77
RO for life. It's so strange, but that was the most addicting MMO of all time (and I tried everything listed in this thread)
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
September 27 2011 15:54 GMT
#78
I go back to WoW every now and then, I didn't buy Cata though because I'm one of those one-character-only-forever people who hates alts...

Seriously my only other character is a level 12 or something bank alt...lol

I hate the new Holy Power change to my paladin, but I think I'm just bitter to the change, as I've played him since release of Vanilla...so many days /played it's not even funny anymore...but every now and then I'll get an email from blizz that's all like. "yo come try us for free!" and I'm like okay, w/e.

I'm in ICC25 epics so all I do is tank queue heroics all day to help out people levelling beyond 80, haha. It's funny because it's almost always insta-pop queues and people will stay with me forever because I'm way overgeared and dont really need heals (seal of light or w/e it's called now ftw) and it's free queue pops.

It makes me feel like I'm actually accomplishing something in the game, even if it's for other people...that's the main reason I left, it just got so boring because I didn't feel like my time spent online was really furthering anything...just waiting for another raid to be released that I'd be able to clear ezpz. Haha.


I'm pretty much done with MMO's...I prefer the solo play nowadays because a) no drama, b) can do w/e the fuck I want whenever the hell I want to...

Only MMO I play is EVE Online and that's just because it's so drastically different from a normal MMO that it's just forking awesome.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 16:16:19
September 27 2011 16:15 GMT
#79
On September 28 2011 00:54 Torenhire wrote:
I hate the new Holy Power change to my paladin, but I think I'm just bitter to the change, as I've played him since release of Vanilla...so many days /played it's not even funny anymore...but every now and then I'll get an email from blizz that's all like. "yo come try us for free!" and I'm like okay, w/e.

I don't mind Holy Power personally, it's just that Ret damage still feels weak, and the class feels like playing a Warrior but with all the utility (i.e. Intimidating Shout, Heroic Leap, Charge, Intercept, Colossus Smash, Mortal Strike) taken out, and the damage halved.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
September 27 2011 16:30 GMT
#80
That new melee spam = 1
Judgement = 2
Divine storm = 3

11111112222211111111111133333111112222211111113111111111

lol.

Yeah, I was still ret when I came back post-cata changes...think I quit when ICC was 15%? I was mained holy and secondary ret, and I started to enjoy raiding as ret a lot more...it's even more of a button mash class and it does such bad damage...typical of blizzard though, they always seem to ruin ret pallys, then over-buff them, then ruin them again haha.

I'll flat out admit that I hate the new holy changes because they're not what I am used to playing for 6 years, so I just don't play holy. Prot is alright with the holy power though, and I enjoyed prot in Wrath, so that's the only thing I'll do.

I like to PVP in enemy capital cities but I can't anymore, the HP difference is MASSIVE. Plus I can't cleanse magic effects anymore so a shaman with flame shock / lava burst just one shots me haha. I've got like 30k hp in my PVP gear and they're all 80k and up in PVE

Makes me sad, but oh well haha. I have fun either way, but it's not the MMO I'm planning to play for more than a day or two when I get a free re-trial.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
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