EPTOn September 26 2011 12:17 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Ultima Online was my first RPG experience. Soooo good. KAL VAS FLAM!
Ultima Online was my first RPG experience. Soooo good. KAL VAS FLAM!
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:17 Morfildur wrote: I actually don't like it if you have to distribute stat points in MMOs unless there is a way to re-distribute them. Normal MMOs don't take that much time, so if you messed up due to a lack of knowledge, you just create a new character and then you're fine. In MMOs, if you were clueless the first 10 levels because you were just goofing around trying things and it ends up messing up the late game it's a game breaking flaw imho. I'm afraid of GW2 messing it up :-/ However, if the stat points can be redistributed, it's a nice mechanic and there is nothing i have against it. Hm, f2p MMOGs have cash shops + you almost always get such an item from a quest for free. So, screwing up one time is not that bad. Also, it's unlikely that only 10 levels will mess everything up. And don't forget that "lack of knowledge" is the person's fault. Before open beta starts, there are always guides and builds in the forum. Being lazy or a casual player is not a good excuse...which, by the way, brings me to another point: Need exp reduction when you die. Otherwise, it's way too casual-friendly and annoying -_- | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
On September 26 2011 19:29 Kaal wrote: HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAHA HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAHA HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAHA HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAHA That's funny. A bit of a grind. Gosh you are such a joker. It's not like it took over a week of grinding to get from 98-99 normal, if you played without sleeping. Of a month to get from 98->99 Trans class. Unless you played on a private server. I played iRO, kRO, and jRO for over 7 years. For 3 years straight AA clan was the top clan only because I had found two GTB cards by waking up every day on the minute when GTB spawned for my entire High School Summer Vacation. Ragnarok Online is the epitome of Korean MMO, the grind is fucking hilariously long, the items dropped at less .0000001% for the rarest items such as GTB, and the game took up your SOUL. YOUR. SOUL. gtb super ez mode to camp though. its not even that useful when you look at it either :p | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
I played various MMO's throughout my teenage years but the first serious MMO I got into was Cabal Online (NA version). Loved the flashy graphics and the combo system (which required you to actually time your attacks and plan out your combo with more than one skill). PvP was pretty one-dimensional (break the other guy's combo while maintaining yours) but that had a huge skill spectrum, and the top PvPers were not only the best geared (obviously) but also the most skilled. In other words, even if your gear wasn't elite top tier, you could get away with somewhat top tier gear and really good dash/fade combo-ing. Anyways, with all the details put aside, I put a good 2-3 years into that game, and stuck with one guild the entire time. Eventually got promoted to guild officer and organized regular boss raids before I quit for good to save my free-falling GPA. Details for any other Cabal players (or former players), I was a level 159 FB when I quit (lvl cap was 170, sigh). After Cabal, I took full-year break from MMO's until I picked up MapleStory (lol thanks TL) this year in January. As you mentioned in the OP, my mind was blown. Big Bang made this game actually a playable game. My back-in-2005 characters were basically obsolete. Started fresh with the great bunch of TLers here, and I'm still there =) At this point the game's not really about achieving top damage status, it's more about just hanging out with fellow TLers, wasting time, doing a boss or two, and talking about how imba 1-1-1 is (without getting banned on TL, haha!). I suppose I'll try out D3 when public beta is released, but I'm more hyped for Cabal 2... too bad they announced it back in March and never updated ever since. I hope ESTSoft has enough money to plow through and give us a release date at the least. | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
On September 26 2011 10:40 Clbull wrote: I never played it but I heard about it. I did play a few other MMORPGs I didn't mention like:
FYI I absolutely loved Dofus until the UK only server I played on died and all the cool people that I knew got replaced by 10,000 obnoxious polish kids. Also, all MMOs are boring as far as game mechanics go, but they have a strong social element which keeps them interesting. How good an MMO is just depends on how good the social element is. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
Bought member last month and I really enjoyed all the new content. I'm quite sure I will eventually lose interest again though, after the excitement of being a member fades. Also, MapleStory. Or MapleSEA rather. Cassiopeia is the best world there, easily, and the Big Bang patch made it rather playable again. However, the community now is just so horribad that I went "fuck it" and went back to DotA. I'm quite sure I acquired SC2 at around that time too. MU Online. Not sure how many of you have heard of it, but I liked it a lot before K2 or whatever acquired Webzen. I'm quite sure this is the only MMORPG where I've PvPed in, although my character was pathetic and often preyed on players 1/3 my level. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On September 26 2011 23:06 DoNotDisturb wrote: I'm quite sure my RuneScape is 7 or 8 years old, and I'm not going to lie, I'm liking it now Bought member last month and I really enjoyed all the new content. I'm quite sure I will eventually lose interest again though, after the excitement of being a member fades. You'll probably lose interest within a few months or a year. I certainly did. Plus the grind in Runescape turns from "Oh, this is quite bearable" to "Holy shit" as you realise that 98 - 99 takes millions of experience points to obtain, and probably a few weeks of just clicking. Also, MapleStory. Or MapleSEA rather. Cassiopeia is the best world there, easily, and the Big Bang patch made it rather playable again. I play on Global. The community isn't that bad but the Big Bang update really improved the game to turn from your typical Korean grindfest to an actual decent MMO. I remember it taking 7 hours of constant grinding to get from level 25 to 26 before, but now it's more like half an hour. However, if I have several criticisms of Nexon and MapleStory, it's this:
However, the community now is just so horribad that I went "fuck it" and went back to DotA. I had some bad times with DotA, namely having to deal with assholes who will just flame you, call you a feeder and boot/banlist you from a game because you didn't follow the stereotypical item path and get Boots of Speed followed by Buriza. The community is so newbie unfriendly that I literally avoided DotA Allstars maps on battle.net, which is basically 95% of all custom games. MU Online. Not sure how many of you have heard of it, but I liked it a lot before K2 or whatever acquired Webzen. I'm quite sure this is the only MMORPG where I've PvPed in, although my character was pathetic and often preyed on players 1/3 my level. Never really touched that game, had a friend who did and he never went near it again. | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:49 Thrill wrote: That was an awesome video, thank you. Wish they still made games like that. Glad you like it  . Lots more on YouTube just look up Uprising if you're interested.Its cool a lot of people bringing up Warhammer, I played on Dark Crag and we dominated pretty hard in terms of Alliance (there was huge zerg of Horde, everyone played Horde lol) but the game just lagged out in every big castle siege, I remember it would always crash as soon as the real mass PvP started, so much potential in that game :[. Warhammer is actually the PERFECT universe for an MMORPG imo. Although I wish there was more politics and even the possibility of infighting. | ||
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ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing. Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think. Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked. Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot. I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.) They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears) I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that. In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever. I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.- | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On September 27 2011 17:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote: I've tried a few over the years. Back in 2002? or 2003 I started playing Ragnarok Online with a bunch of friends while it was in beta and shortly after went p2p. (iRO) It was fun playing with rl friends but super grindy. I played for something like 8 or 9 months until all my rl friends stopped playing. Shortly after a friend talked me into buying ffxi. It was fun to party when you found one but really everything just took an unreasonably long amount of time to do so I quit after 1 or 2 months I think. Tried some other free ones like ragnarok private servers, Cabal Online, Two Moons I think another was called but I didn't find any I liked. Stopped for a looooong time once I found bw proscene (2006) until 2 months ago. 1 of my rl friends started playing iRO again and wanted me to play with him. Thinking I would get bored of it within a week I put it off but when I looked it up and realized that iRO was f2p now I decided I'd give it a shot. I have to say it's wayyyy better than before. Renewal made it a lot easier to level. There are actually quests in the game now (Quests that can help you level all the way from 1-99 are permanent. Also easy equipment quests for decent newbie gear, I went from 1-99 trans in it fairly easily.) A lot of events (every few weeks there is 2x exp or 2x drops) and different quests for new headgears or whatever. Also they have been doing turn in events where you have to kill certain monsters for a quest every week (also makes it a lot easier to level and generally people make parties for doing these, so you get to meet people.) They have a system now where you can pay like $7/month for "VIP" which has a bunch of bonuses (1.5x exp/1.5x drop/ losing less exp when you die/ etc...) and there is also items you can buy for $ (none of them are like god gears or anything but there are some upper end gears) I haven't tried woe yet (doesn't interest me) so I can't comment on that. In terms of grinding, I went from 1-99 trans in like.. a month or so? playing like 2 hours a day average as a knight. Once you get to like 90+ trans it slows down a lot but that's when the turn in events are so it's not so bad. Grinding to find certain items can take a while but it's not too bad unless you are looking for mvp cards or something. 3rd jobs all seem pretty cool to me and once you get to there you are rarely soloing unless you are hunting for items or whatever. I never thought I'd actually get back into an mmo but I did -.- I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question. 1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French. Some of the menus didn't get translated and there clearly wasn't a working English option for some of the pages. 2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates? If it's really far behind (I'm talking Europe MapleStory behind then I won't bother. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2514 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:06 Clbull wrote: I'm tempted to try out RO, but I have a question. 1. Have they geoblocked Europeans from signing up to iRO? Because I checked out the European website and it was badly designed. Basically, the first language that came up was French, I switched the language to English, I checked an English section of the website to find out the language auto-switched back to French. 2. How far behind is Europe in terms of updates? Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent. Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Loved the magic aspect of the game and yes it was a huge timesink much like for instance travian. Travian you only use your browser but it's very addictive and time consuming. I left UO and travian and won't pick up any game like that ever.. or so i hope ;D | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:12 Kaal wrote: Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent. Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good. Eh you really shouldn't be dying to magic anyways unless your fighting a 2x sala / fallen bishop wiz, either that or your DLP prof is terrible. you should always be using thara / horn, defaulting gtb is like begging to get AD'd / sonic'd / gfisted also Lumina is pretty much dead, avg. population is like sub 100 these days. i guess people finally got fed up with the incompetent gms | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:12 Kaal wrote: Honestly, you should just play on kRO, jRO or a private server. iRO has a bad, baaaaad reputation for customer support, service updates, etc. It was behind about a year on updates when I started, and quit, playing. Most PServers are up to date and near the same population. Like uhhh, the one TL recently tried playing on, LuminaRO was pretty decent. Also whoever said GTB was bad, it used to be fucking godlike, because you were immune to all HOSTILE magic, then they changed it to all magic so it wasnt as good. But you could still spam whites in WoE so it was still pretty freaking good. Well I don't speak Korean or Japanese, so I think navigating the kRO or jRO websites would be really hard to actually do. Plus the clients may be in their native languages or sign-ups and log-ins may be geographically blocked seeing as i'm in Europe. Also, aren't private servers for any MMORPG known to be buggy, unreliable, hard to set up or quickly shut down via cease and decist by the publishers' legal team? I dunno about Ragnarok Online but I don't know of any. I once tried a Runescape private server and basically disconnected every minute. Plus there was barely any content, it was basically one of those "Speak to this NPC, get 99 in every skill, get an assortment of Melee, Range and Magic gear, walk outside and PK like a beast" types of ones. I knew a friend that tried WoW private servers before going on to the real game. They're very niche, often don't emulate the WoW experience without major bugs or inconsistencies and often descend into just max level PvP. Now that you mention it, iRO's update schedule doesn't seem that bad compared to other Korean MMOs I played. I believe that GMS was at one point around 2 - 3 years behind KMS but now is more like a year behind, and that EMS is around a year or two behind GMS. It took them around 2 years later than GMS to get the 4th Job Advancement update and they've only JUST got the Big Bang update whereas GMS had that shit for over a year now, is on Chaos and in days will be on Ascension. I wouldn't mind waiting a year longer for probably endgame updates that I won't realistically reach unless I grind for 10 hours per day for months. On September 28 2011 00:04 ZoW wrote: Eh you really shouldn't be dying to magic anyways unless your fighting a 2x sala / fallen bishop wiz, either that or your DLP prof is terrible. you should always be using thara / horn, defaulting gtb is like begging to get AD'd / sonic'd / gfisted also Lumina is pretty much dead, avg. population is like sub 100 these days. i guess people finally got fed up with the incompetent gms What's your stance on iRO and decent RO private servers? | ||
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darcevader88
Canada648 Posts
It all begin one dark dark day in the summer of.. yea i dont remember which year LOL but anyway, my first MMo experience was with a little game called Last Kingdom, which was pretty damn fun at the time (note: i was maybe 12?) i played for like 6 months and then the game was cancelled on me just as i approached max leve l  still makes me angry. From there I moved onto UO where I played on numerous free shards, from arcadia?(arcodia!?) to some smaller ones my friends were hosting/gming (i even gm'ed a few mid level ones at the time) played the crap out of UO for as long as i could possibly play during junior high -> into high school. woah totally forgot, in between UO and WoW i played a crap load of iRO and to like 79/40~?? or somewhere there as a mage->wiz.. that shit was ultra fun but got SOOO grindy and none of my friends played so it was a lot of solo shiz Grade 11 in high school i get introduced to WoW (i was also a d2 addict) so i got into WoW beta and i was hooked like a junkie, play the everliving crap out of WoW, top 15 in world guild clearing almost all content (aftermath lightning's blade [necronis]), pvped the hell out of it aswell (my true passion) got to rank 14, had pretty much every pvp item you could want in the game. BC rolls out, I decide it's just not worth it to do that all over again to be the best and quit/sell my acct / move on to RL until sc2 comes out and boom. I keep trying to get out, and you can't DRAGGING ME BACK! (damn you blizz) | ||
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ZoW
United States3983 Posts
On September 28 2011 00:04 Clbull wrote: What's your stance on iRO and decent RO private servers? Honestly its just preference, there are literally hundreds of private servers around. I'd imagine all of them are pretty updated as most run the game off eAthena which has their own development team. The trick is to pick the server you feel like you'd enjoy yourself the most on, like low / middle / high rates and server specific custom additions, and a good GM team. Lumina was quite good, i remember their population averaged 700ish at one point, but the gm team was in fact terrible and had no idea what they were doing, it just took them a while to straight up kill their woe scene and all the guilds ended up leaving | ||
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Caladbolg
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Seriously my only other character is a level 12 or something bank alt...lol I hate the new Holy Power change to my paladin, but I think I'm just bitter to the change, as I've played him since release of Vanilla...so many days /played it's not even funny anymore...but every now and then I'll get an email from blizz that's all like. "yo come try us for free!" and I'm like okay, w/e. I'm in ICC25 epics so all I do is tank queue heroics all day to help out people levelling beyond 80, haha. It's funny because it's almost always insta-pop queues and people will stay with me forever because I'm way overgeared and dont really need heals (seal of light or w/e it's called now ftw) and it's free queue pops. It makes me feel like I'm actually accomplishing something in the game, even if it's for other people...that's the main reason I left, it just got so boring because I didn't feel like my time spent online was really furthering anything...just waiting for another raid to be released that I'd be able to clear ezpz. Haha. I'm pretty much done with MMO's...I prefer the solo play nowadays because a) no drama, b) can do w/e the fuck I want whenever the hell I want to... Only MMO I play is EVE Online and that's just because it's so drastically different from a normal MMO that it's just forking awesome. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On September 28 2011 00:54 Torenhire wrote: I hate the new Holy Power change to my paladin, but I think I'm just bitter to the change, as I've played him since release of Vanilla...so many days /played it's not even funny anymore...but every now and then I'll get an email from blizz that's all like. "yo come try us for free!" and I'm like okay, w/e. I don't mind Holy Power personally, it's just that Ret damage still feels weak, and the class feels like playing a Warrior but with all the utility (i.e. Intimidating Shout, Heroic Leap, Charge, Intercept, Colossus Smash, Mortal Strike) taken out, and the damage halved. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Judgement = 2 Divine storm = 3 11111112222211111111111133333111112222211111113111111111 lol. Yeah, I was still ret when I came back post-cata changes...think I quit when ICC was 15%? I was mained holy and secondary ret, and I started to enjoy raiding as ret a lot more...it's even more of a button mash class and it does such bad damage...typical of blizzard though, they always seem to ruin ret pallys, then over-buff them, then ruin them again haha. I'll flat out admit that I hate the new holy changes because they're not what I am used to playing for 6 years, so I just don't play holy. Prot is alright with the holy power though, and I enjoyed prot in Wrath, so that's the only thing I'll do. I like to PVP in enemy capital cities but I can't anymore, the HP difference is MASSIVE. Plus I can't cleanse magic effects anymore so a shaman with flame shock / lava burst just one shots me haha. I've got like 30k hp in my PVP gear and they're all 80k and up in PVE Makes me sad, but oh well haha. I have fun either way, but it's not the MMO I'm planning to play for more than a day or two when I get a free re-trial. | ||
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