• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:10
CET 10:10
KST 18:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) RSL Offline FInals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Which season is the best in ASL? Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread The Perfect Game Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Big Programming Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1515 users

Dark Swarm in SC2? - Page 3

Blogs > FlaShFTW
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#41
On September 24 2011 11:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 10:07 xHassassin wrote:
Terran has no melee units.

GG TvZ

Splash. Hellion + tank.

how did terran go against this in BW when they didn't have hellions back then? im not trying to turn this into a BW vs SC2 discussion either


Irradiate destroyed any hightech units, such as lurkers but mainly defilers and ultras.

Siege tanks were much better in BW, dealing much more damage and costing a baffling 2 supply instead of 3. Moreover, you had mines, which also went through dark swarm to cause severe aoe damage.
WriterXiao8~~
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 24 2011 10:46 GMT
#42
It's pointless trying to think of ways to balance this in sc2 without it actually being put in, but it's obvious a lot of things have to change. Also don't really see the need for it as it is. I think broodlords and ultras sort of serve a similar purpose in being able to push a terran. I like dark swarm, but the game just isn't balanced around it, and personally I see ZvT as the most balanced non mirror. Zerg never was about being cost efficient, it's just how the mechanics work.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 24 2011 11:10 GMT
#43
On September 24 2011 06:57 Stijx wrote:
I think it would be way to good, to be honest with you.

Especially considering the fact that overseers are air units and they have high ground vision and they can consume infested terrans.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
HypertonicHydroponic
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
437 Posts
September 25 2011 02:59 GMT
#44
On September 24 2011 11:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 10:07 xHassassin wrote:
Terran has no melee units.

GG TvZ

Splash. Hellion + tank.

how did terran go against this in BW when they didn't have hellions back then? im not trying to turn this into a BW vs SC2 discussion either

Terran had firebats to combat lings since splash was not nullified. They also had tanks, *Mines*, and irradiate.

On September 24 2011 16:28 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 09:44 MorningMusume11 wrote:
On September 24 2011 08:55 HypertonicHydroponic wrote:
Dark swarm made the cut into SC2, it's called PDD. I've said it before, there really isn't that much in SC2 that wasn't in SC1, it's just been mashed up. I think it would be silly to duplicate the ability, but do think something needs to be added to the overseer. My personal favorite idea is a mash-up of Parasite and Blind which would work like the following: when a unit is targeted it grants its vision to the overseer and the vision for that unit's owner is in turn reduced to effectively 0 (.5 or whatever is required to just see the unit). For 15 seconds the two visions fade back to normal -- the overseer's player loses vision radius around the unit and the unit's player gains vision radius back. In this way, an overseer can cast the spell on say a viking and then run away in a direction opposite the direction the viking is taking. The viking has to guess the retreat trajectory whereas the overseer knows exactly which way to go to save itself from the viking. It's not the most amazingly game breaking spell, but it could save an overseer or two from needing to be morphed again and it promotes micro.


Thing is... the PDD is not Dark Swarm... lol. Simple example: does it nullify archon damage when in use? Dark Swarm certainly did.


......you're wrong.

Dark swarm lowered Archon damage but it did not nullify it. PDD is more expensive but the concept is the same.

Thank you. The main part of the attack was "nullified" but splash was not, same as a siege shot. Whether or not the mechanics are *exactly* the same does not matter, PDD is still a ranged attack negating ability same as dark swarm.

I'm really surprised you picked archon damage as opposed to something even more simple and a more clear change like marine attack, but whatever, it doesn't change the fact that adding a BW style darkswarm to the game for zerg would essentially be adding a duplicated ability to the current game of SC2.
[P] The Watery Archives -- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279070
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 50m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 156
-ZergGirl 57
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 23884
GuemChi 344
Tasteless 276
BeSt 264
Killer 145
Pusan 105
Sacsri 92
Dewaltoss 63
Sharp 55
sorry 53
[ Show more ]
Mini 48
ToSsGirL 37
Shine 35
Shinee 31
ZergMaN 22
ggaemo 19
Bale 15
Rush 9
Hm[arnc] 7
Noble 4
Dota 2
febbydoto140
NeuroSwarm107
canceldota48
Fuzer 32
League of Legends
JimRising 473
C9.Mang0265
Reynor66
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss491
olofmeister99
Super Smash Bros
Westballz31
Other Games
summit1g11648
WinterStarcraft567
ceh9387
crisheroes368
Happy188
Mew2King34
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick589
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 24
• Light_VIP 19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• iopq 0
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota229
League of Legends
• Lourlo1022
• Jankos491
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
50m
OSC
6h 50m
Demi vs Mixu
Nicoract vs TBD
Babymarine vs MindelVK
ForJumy vs TBD
Shameless vs Percival
Replay Cast
14h 50m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 17h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV 2025
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
OSC
2 days
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV 2025
3 days
OSC
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV 2025
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
PiGosaur Monday
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-30
RSL Revival: Season 3
Light HT

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.