• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:53
CEST 18:53
KST 01:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL55Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?13FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event19Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? PiG Sty Festival #5: Playoffs Preview + Groups Recap The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Korean Starcraft League Week 77 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Replays question BW General Discussion Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 630 users

Dark Swarm in SC2? - Page 3

Blogs > FlaShFTW
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#41
On September 24 2011 11:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 10:07 xHassassin wrote:
Terran has no melee units.

GG TvZ

Splash. Hellion + tank.

how did terran go against this in BW when they didn't have hellions back then? im not trying to turn this into a BW vs SC2 discussion either


Irradiate destroyed any hightech units, such as lurkers but mainly defilers and ultras.

Siege tanks were much better in BW, dealing much more damage and costing a baffling 2 supply instead of 3. Moreover, you had mines, which also went through dark swarm to cause severe aoe damage.
WriterXiao8~~
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 24 2011 10:46 GMT
#42
It's pointless trying to think of ways to balance this in sc2 without it actually being put in, but it's obvious a lot of things have to change. Also don't really see the need for it as it is. I think broodlords and ultras sort of serve a similar purpose in being able to push a terran. I like dark swarm, but the game just isn't balanced around it, and personally I see ZvT as the most balanced non mirror. Zerg never was about being cost efficient, it's just how the mechanics work.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 24 2011 11:10 GMT
#43
On September 24 2011 06:57 Stijx wrote:
I think it would be way to good, to be honest with you.

Especially considering the fact that overseers are air units and they have high ground vision and they can consume infested terrans.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
HypertonicHydroponic
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
437 Posts
September 25 2011 02:59 GMT
#44
On September 24 2011 11:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 10:07 xHassassin wrote:
Terran has no melee units.

GG TvZ

Splash. Hellion + tank.

how did terran go against this in BW when they didn't have hellions back then? im not trying to turn this into a BW vs SC2 discussion either

Terran had firebats to combat lings since splash was not nullified. They also had tanks, *Mines*, and irradiate.

On September 24 2011 16:28 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 09:44 MorningMusume11 wrote:
On September 24 2011 08:55 HypertonicHydroponic wrote:
Dark swarm made the cut into SC2, it's called PDD. I've said it before, there really isn't that much in SC2 that wasn't in SC1, it's just been mashed up. I think it would be silly to duplicate the ability, but do think something needs to be added to the overseer. My personal favorite idea is a mash-up of Parasite and Blind which would work like the following: when a unit is targeted it grants its vision to the overseer and the vision for that unit's owner is in turn reduced to effectively 0 (.5 or whatever is required to just see the unit). For 15 seconds the two visions fade back to normal -- the overseer's player loses vision radius around the unit and the unit's player gains vision radius back. In this way, an overseer can cast the spell on say a viking and then run away in a direction opposite the direction the viking is taking. The viking has to guess the retreat trajectory whereas the overseer knows exactly which way to go to save itself from the viking. It's not the most amazingly game breaking spell, but it could save an overseer or two from needing to be morphed again and it promotes micro.


Thing is... the PDD is not Dark Swarm... lol. Simple example: does it nullify archon damage when in use? Dark Swarm certainly did.


......you're wrong.

Dark swarm lowered Archon damage but it did not nullify it. PDD is more expensive but the concept is the same.

Thank you. The main part of the attack was "nullified" but splash was not, same as a siege shot. Whether or not the mechanics are *exactly* the same does not matter, PDD is still a ranged attack negating ability same as dark swarm.

I'm really surprised you picked archon damage as opposed to something even more simple and a more clear change like marine attack, but whatever, it doesn't change the fact that adding a BW style darkswarm to the game for zerg would essentially be adding a duplicated ability to the current game of SC2.
[P] The Watery Archives -- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279070
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
16:00
Cracov 2025: Qualifier #1
RotterdaM260
IndyStarCraft 185
CranKy Ducklings146
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL team league: ASP vs PTB
Freeedom14
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
trigger 280
RotterdaM 260
IndyStarCraft 185
SC2Nice 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6673
Bisu 974
Larva 731
Mini 598
firebathero 346
BeSt 296
actioN 247
Hyun 147
Mind 67
TY 48
[ Show more ]
sSak 38
Rock 33
zelot 23
Counter-Strike
fl0m839
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor587
Other Games
Gorgc3841
FrodaN1710
Mlord483
Lowko311
Fuzer 270
Hui .172
TKL 131
KnowMe123
Trikslyr57
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1379
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 46
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3028
• WagamamaTV734
• Ler79
League of Legends
• Nemesis9382
Other Games
• Shiphtur407
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
17h 8m
Clem vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
FEL
19h 8m
WardiTV European League
19h 8m
BSL: ProLeague
1d 1h
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
FEL
6 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2v2 Season 3
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.