• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:56
CEST 01:56
KST 08:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"7ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!35Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)105
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Looking for NASL Season 1 VODs Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Terran or Protoss
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Star Con San Diego 2026 Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7093 users

Focusing on macro

Blogs > Geordie
Post a Reply
Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 23:16:54
September 20 2011 23:09 GMT
#1
Id like to ask how is it that people improve their macro? Like I really dont know how its happening but I always have loads of scv in TvT and TvZ but somehow in TvP I always seem to have less workers. Ok well this is how bad it is, in a tvp I dropped my protoss oponents main twice and killed 45 of his workers, and at the 15 minute mark he was 10 ahead... I dont know what the fuck is going on but it is just wierd.

As I have said in a previous blog I used to get very angry and want to smash my monitor in when I lost but now I just feel like just sitting there and silence and just look at a wall thinking how bad I am and how I just cant win a single macro game in TvP unless my opponent slips up.

It is beyond me how to control vikings, ghosts and stutter step bio while all my opponent has to do is a-move zealots, archons, hts and collusus in a huge ball and it doesnt matter how much I try I always just lose.

I chose not to put this on the strategy forum as I think you need to be masters or above to be taken seriously there and I am only platinum and just feel very dissapointed that I just cant play better. Heres the replay if your interested, as you can see my macro is terrible in TvP and I still lose with a massive advantage.

Replay:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/13345



I just felt like holding this back the whole blog but I may as well just admit it, I really feel like just breaking down and crying over how bad my play is and how I just dont seem to be improving. its really making me not enjoy starcraft at all, as I feel TvT and TvZ are really fun and the units do not seem as unstoppable as my protoss opponent's

Thanks

( 12pm and I really should be getting to bed but im just going to keep playing and playing until I make a breakthrough )



*****
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
September 20 2011 23:22 GMT
#2
On September 21 2011 08:09 Geordie wrote:
I chose not to put this on the strategy forum as I think you need to be masters or above to be taken seriously there and I am only platinum and just feel very dissapointed that I just cant play better.

Don't be afraid to stop by the Terran Help Thread or even to make a new thread just like this but with [L][H] Tags (for a low-level player seeking help). As a general rule, people are suspicious of platinum league players giving out advice, but anyone asking for help, regardless of league, is entitled to receive it if they put in the effort on their end.

Post a replay there with some analysis from yourself and an earnest request for help and people will gladly come to your aid. Check out the following threads to do so:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479 [strategy forum guidelines]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210370 [warning against bad posts]

People will be glad to help identify what parts of your play you can improve, and what's holding you back.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
September 21 2011 01:38 GMT
#3
look in your replays of games where you feel that you have shit macro. Then make a mental note or physical note if you have to about where this is during the game and the next time you play, remember that time where your macro failed (i.e. during a battle or while you are dropping) and you will eventually get better and faster from there
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
September 21 2011 02:14 GMT
#4
If you watch Day[9] at all, you should know that the simplest solution to improving your worker production is to watch a replay and then hover over your command center and see how constant your production is.

If it isn't, you literally have to just focus on your SCV production almost exclusively. Like put postits all over your screen, play games vs AI, purposely drop 20-30 games so you get easy opponents where you can just focus on macro, etc.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
September 21 2011 02:25 GMT
#5
Depending on how many bases you're on. It's ok for terran to have less workers than protoss because of mules.

I believe the "rule" is 1OC/Mule = 4-5 scvs".

So you can be behind 4-5 scvs per OC.

Being behind 10 or so workers isn't that bad all things considered.

If the drop killed 45 right away and you're still behind, maybe then there is an issue.

As mentioned above, watch replays and check your production tabs.

Mass zerglings doesnt fail
HydraLF
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong626 Posts
September 21 2011 02:33 GMT
#6
On September 21 2011 08:09 Geordie wrote:

It is beyond me how to control vikings, ghosts and stutter step bio while all my opponent has to do is a-move zealots, archons, hts and collusus in a huge ball and it doesnt matter how much I try I always just lose.


You are giving yourself too much credit, Terran micro is as easy if not easier than protoss.
Sure.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech73
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2570
Artosis 713
yabsab 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm192
League of Legends
Doublelift5077
Counter-Strike
summit1g8469
minikerr15
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox199
Mew2King89
AZ_Axe44
Other Games
Grubby3012
JimRising 478
C9.Mang0295
ToD292
Livibee116
Trikslyr56
SteadfastSC54
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick622
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 60
• davetesta17
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 34
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22061
Other Games
• Shiphtur581
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4m
CranKy Ducklings4
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10h 4m
INu's Battles
11h 4m
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
1d
The PondCast
1d 10h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 11h
Patches Events
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.