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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
September 15 2011 15:40 GMT
#21
On September 15 2011 23:49 strength wrote:
It comes with instructions.. Its not hard as you think. My first time it took ~3 hours because I was so unpacking everything. You'll be fine bro!


No actually I honestly think he won't be fine. He really doesn't know much about computers AT ALL.

btw I can write up a more detail response later when I get home from work.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 15 2011 16:02 GMT
#22
Yeah no, theres no way he'll be fine building a computer on his own he clearly doesn't know the difference between parts or hardware and software issues.

Just suggest a computer he can plug into a wall and magically work.
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DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 16:23:05
September 15 2011 16:21 GMT
#23
On September 15 2011 23:48 strength wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 22:30 Rollin wrote:
On September 15 2011 21:30 skyR wrote:
A $500 configuration like Rollin showed you can do the game on high-ultra at 1080p.


I really need a better name >.>, it sounds so stupid...


No it does not. My comp is ~$750 with AMD Ahton x6 T1100 black edition (one of their best products) with a geforce 560ti (manufactured over clocked). I started playing with a $550 comp and it didnt even run medium-high smoothly.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=404

Why buy a x6.... Skyr was right lol that G850 performs pretty well for being way cheap, and apparently better then your fancy x6.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
September 15 2011 17:05 GMT
#24
On September 16 2011 00:40 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 23:49 strength wrote:
It comes with instructions.. Its not hard as you think. My first time it took ~3 hours because I was so unpacking everything. You'll be fine bro!


No actually I honestly think he won't be fine. He really doesn't know much about computers AT ALL.

btw I can write up a more detail response later when I get home from work.


i guess you could consider Avoid a little success story?
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
PrObeLife
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia22 Posts
September 15 2011 18:26 GMT
#25
On September 15 2011 21:30 skyR wrote:
PrObeLife is not knowledgeable and is the one giving bad advice. Starcraft II doesn't utilize four cores so having a 2500k which is a quad core as opposed to a core i3 2100 which is a dual core makes no difference at all. The only difference between the two you'll see in Starcraft Ii comes from the difference in the amount of cache and the frequency they run at. Not to mention that both the core i3 2100 and core i5 2500k are Sandybridges and was released alongside each other back in January of this year. Old architecture would be Bloomfield which is the core i7 900 series or Lynfield which is the three digit core i3, core i5, and core i7s (ex core i3 540, core i5 750).

The core i3 2100 is also not the best option either. The Pentium G850 which is basically identical to that of the core i3 2100 without the hyperthreading. Since Starcraft II majorly uses two cores and most other games do as well, you're get practically the same performance out of a Pentium G850 as you do with the core i3 2100 for less money. If you really needed a quad, you would be going with a core i5 2300 at bare minimum.

The CPU (Central Processing Unit) is only one component that makes up a desktop (the box). Other components which make up the desktop include the graphics card, memory, motherboard, power supply, harddrive, case, and optical drive.

All components (except those labeled as OEM) will come with specific instructions. The motherboard manual will have instructions for every single piece of component. There is also google and youtube. Every component (except the front panel headers) only fit in one way so its like building lego, real simple.

You're basically looking at around $300-400 for a complete package capable of playing Starcraft II on low. A $500 configuration like Rollin showed you can do the game on high-ultra at 1080p.




NO. I am making sure he is not burned buy your advice. So many people claim oh my 8800GT and duo core 2.4 ghz is smooth on ULTRA!!! Better safe than sorry.

Your wrong i5 2500k does get more performance than the i3 2100. Check source:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

You want the highest FPS possible don't go cheap on CPU even if its only 20 frames less. In a big battle to keep it running smooth you do not want your FPS dipping into the 50 fps range or u start feeling the chug.

Not to mention if you start streaming you want the i52500 K or i7 minimum. The OP does talk about FRAPS so I assume he wants to stream at some point. For $80 more you can get the i5 2500k and future proof yourself or go cheap now and need to upgrade sooner...just the fact your K series CPU's can overclock keeps in current for longer.

i3's don't overclock half as well as K series and starcraft 2 responds really well to overclocking, Source:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/08/18/how-many-cpu-cores-does-starcraft-2-use/3

Its up to the original poster, but I just trying to save you from poor advice I have gotten from guys on here before. Call me what you want "oh its over kill" "this guy doesn't know anything"

What I do know is.. I use to have FPS issues in game on old rig. I now own this setup and I am extremely particular. I have NO issues at all...playing on 1920x1080. You want that resolution if your competitive because if you don't your seeing less of the map and you are then disadvantaged. The thing I learned about computing as I got older was its always better to overkill because what hardware "theoretically" should do never actually works out.

You want your PC to CRUSH sc2 not play it.. GL

ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 19:02:38
September 15 2011 18:58 GMT
#26
Here's a 500$ Gaming PC, with all the components listed.(No monitor)

It should run SC2 no problem whatsoever at low settings.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/diy-gaming-pc,2970.html

If you want to go higher there is the 1000$ option :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc,2969.html

And the 2000$ option:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/system-builder-gaming-pc,2961.html
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yourwhiteshadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States442 Posts
September 15 2011 19:34 GMT
#27
i can see where probelife is coming from. but honestly, its not always a viable viewpoint. if i wanted to buy the best components available, i simply wouldn't be able to afford them.

if you get your stuff piece by piece, you could possibly build that set up in under $400 if you use slickdeals.net

memory (ddr 3 - 4 gb x 2) - ~$30 AR (AFTER REBATE)
i3 + mobo - ~$150?
low/mid tier discrete gfx card - $80
case + PSU $50-70
hard drive - $50
OS - ??? i hesitate to ever count this, because...well...ya know.

that's well under $400 for a PC that can play sc2 at low settings. some people just don't care to play at high settings and would rather sacrifice eye candy for smoothness.

links for proof:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3248049 (mobo combo)
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3307438 (memory)
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3309602 (video card)

i'll spare the rest, you can find them if u want.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 15 2011 19:47 GMT
#28
On September 16 2011 03:26 PrObeLife wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 15 2011 21:30 skyR wrote:
PrObeLife is not knowledgeable and is the one giving bad advice. Starcraft II doesn't utilize four cores so having a 2500k which is a quad core as opposed to a core i3 2100 which is a dual core makes no difference at all. The only difference between the two you'll see in Starcraft Ii comes from the difference in the amount of cache and the frequency they run at. Not to mention that both the core i3 2100 and core i5 2500k are Sandybridges and was released alongside each other back in January of this year. Old architecture would be Bloomfield which is the core i7 900 series or Lynfield which is the three digit core i3, core i5, and core i7s (ex core i3 540, core i5 750).

The core i3 2100 is also not the best option either. The Pentium G850 which is basically identical to that of the core i3 2100 without the hyperthreading. Since Starcraft II majorly uses two cores and most other games do as well, you're get practically the same performance out of a Pentium G850 as you do with the core i3 2100 for less money. If you really needed a quad, you would be going with a core i5 2300 at bare minimum.

The CPU (Central Processing Unit) is only one component that makes up a desktop (the box). Other components which make up the desktop include the graphics card, memory, motherboard, power supply, harddrive, case, and optical drive.

All components (except those labeled as OEM) will come with specific instructions. The motherboard manual will have instructions for every single piece of component. There is also google and youtube. Every component (except the front panel headers) only fit in one way so its like building lego, real simple.

You're basically looking at around $300-400 for a complete package capable of playing Starcraft II on low. A $500 configuration like Rollin showed you can do the game on high-ultra at 1080p.




NO. I am making sure he is not burned buy your advice. So many people claim oh my 8800GT and duo core 2.4 ghz is smooth on ULTRA!!! Better safe than sorry.

Your wrong i5 2500k does get more performance than the i3 2100. Check source:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

You want the highest FPS possible don't go cheap on CPU even if its only 20 frames less. In a big battle to keep it running smooth you do not want your FPS dipping into the 50 fps range or u start feeling the chug.

Not to mention if you start streaming you want the i52500 K or i7 minimum. The OP does talk about FRAPS so I assume he wants to stream at some point. For $80 more you can get the i5 2500k and future proof yourself or go cheap now and need to upgrade sooner...just the fact your K series CPU's can overclock keeps in current for longer.

i3's don't overclock half as well as K series and starcraft 2 responds really well to overclocking, Source:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/08/18/how-many-cpu-cores-does-starcraft-2-use/3

Its up to the original poster, but I just trying to save you from poor advice I have gotten from guys on here before. Call me what you want "oh its over kill" "this guy doesn't know anything"

What I do know is.. I use to have FPS issues in game on old rig. I now own this setup and I am extremely particular. I have NO issues at all...playing on 1920x1080. You want that resolution if your competitive because if you don't your seeing less of the map and you are then disadvantaged. The thing I learned about computing as I got older was its always better to overkill because what hardware "theoretically" should do never actually works out.

You want your PC to CRUSH sc2 not play it.. GL


I obviously did point out that the there's a difference between the two processors since you have a 2500k which runs up to 3.7GHz and a core i3 2100 that runs at 3.1GHz ...

Are you in the right thread? OP made no mention of FRAPS or streaming. All he mentioned was playing on low settings.

Getting a 2500k instead of a non-K suffix processor involves more costs than just the K suffix processor. You're getting a P67 or Z68 motherboard instead of a H61 or H67 motherboard which adds at least another $30 and than it's recommended to get an aftermarket heatsink for that overclocking which adds another $30.

We're all aware of the fact that Starcraft II is a heavily CPU based game but all he wants is low settings... getting a 2500k is essentially a waste of money. It's not like a Sandybridge is going to suddenly become absolutely unplayable when HotS launches. Not to mention he doesn't even know what the hell a CPU is, is recommending to overclock really a good idea?
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
September 15 2011 21:09 GMT
#29
On September 16 2011 03:26 PrObeLife wrote:

I have NO issues at all...playing on 1920x1080. You want that resolution if your competitive because if you don't your seeing less of the map and you are then disadvantaged. The thing I learned about computing as I got older was its always better to overkill because what hardware "theoretically" should do never actually works out.



Actually.........its more the aspect ratio. I see as much on my 1366x768 than your 1080p.

I think i can sort of give a good idea between the i3 2100 vs i5 2500k as I have a phenom 2 x4 at 4.0ghz and a 2500k at 4.6ghz turned on right now. The phenom should be close to equivalent to the 2100 at that clock...maybe a bit weaker in SC2 but close enough nevertheless.

The phenom does drop frames in the lategame in 2v2s and even in 1v1s. It will drop to 40-50ish fps during those huge food battles. Realistically, in a 1v1 situation, the most lag you can experience is during a lategame tvz max food vs max food situation where there are like 300+ ling/bane running into mass tanks marines. In this scenario..in a terran's point of view, you will probably doing the following: Siege tanks, split marines, drop location 1, drop location 2, macro rax/facts/ports, go back and split some more. If you consider this doable at 40 fps then there shouldn't be a problem with the intel 2100 or pentium SB. Noone targets individual banes in lategame situations lol...

That being said, I personally found the upgrade to a 2500k very beneficial since the only games I play are CPU limited such as SC2 and BFBC2. I enjoy performance but going from the phenom to the 2500k won't make me a better player. Hell I hit something like 28-4 masters off of my shit laptop.

If streaming is something you are going to be doing often then an I5 k or non-k might be beneficial... but knowing the OP personally, it won't be something he will be doing regularly therefore pentium SB or I3 is fine.


Unless you are trying to target individual running zerglings during the battle, which would be retarded, there isn't a problem. Most of the time you are doing some mass army micro like sieging tanks, splitting groups of marines You can definitely split marines
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
September 15 2011 22:17 GMT
#30
Yeah I agree with advice before. Ideally I would personally buy parts and build it myself but since you don't know much about computers best to buy something that will be easy setup easy use.

Any PC for ~$500 these days can run sc2 fine no problem. sc2 can actually run on most anything I've seen in the past 4 years easily.
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