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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 10:22 GMT
#1
I have often wondered what keeps me coming back to TL.net.

I honestly haven't done too much on the site for the past few years. My participation on the forums, once rather prolific, is a fraction of what it used to be. My contribution as (pseudo-)staff has honestly been rather negligible.

I no longer play Broodwar. I don't even own a copy of Starcraft 2. I only occasionally watch proleague, and I have no idea what's going on in the SC2 proscene. I still watch games, but it's nothing compared to my 2007 days of watching literally (and I really do mean literally) every single professional game played in Korea.

I've gained some clues from the deficiencies I've felt from my recent foray into another site, Quora.
I've been an active Quora user for a few months now, and the material on the site has generally exceeded my expectations. However, I don't find myself feeling the inexplicable gravity that I feel towards TL. I had initially thought that Quora's superior information quality would pull me away from TL.net, but this clearly hasn't happened.

When I am on Quora, I often find myself intellectually stimulated but emotionally unsatisfied. My interactions at Quora were lacking something vital to my affair with TL.net.
I think I now know what brings me back to TL.net. It's the "persona" factor.

The words we write on TL.net reflect who we are in one way or another. It's not just "information" that we're inputting and outputting; we're posting our thoughts, our opinions, our experiences, and most importantly, our emotions. We reply, retort, and agree with not only the information in a post, but more significantly with the person behind the post. The prominence of notorious or luminary personalities has certainly diminished on TL.net over the years, but it still runs deep.

I feel that my use of Quora thus far has resulted in a "dry" experience. I find myself there for the information, rather than the characters behind the information.

On TL.net, the information is honestly just so-so. But when I am here, I feel that I am talking with real people. I feel that their posts reflect their genuine thoughts and emotions.

On Quora, I feel that I have something at stake - something to gain and something to lose. On TL.net, I feel that I'm with old friends and some new ones, who no matter what kind of drunken tirade I may go on, will know me as me at the end of the day.

Persona Factor? Friend Factor?

Maybe I'll just call it the TL Factor.

<hr>Crossposted at hkmurakami.com

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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 11 2011 10:34 GMT
#2
It's all about knowing that even if we're all distinguished in one way or another in what we say and do, we also know people to be fallible, and prone to error or lapse of judgment. That fact, combined with the knowledge that we try to own up to it ASAP, makes us see things differently when interacting because we have an inkling of what one's biases are, especially if people have related to one another for quite a long time.

Great blog, 5/5 for me.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 11 2011 11:12 GMT
#3
I don't know.

A few years back, I felt really strongly attached to TL's community as a whole, I think this peaked around 2008.

Now with SCBW dwindling down, me growing old, and the community getting saturated with new SC2 gamers, I actually no longer feel the same way towards TL. It really saddens me to not recognize some posters with over 5000 posts.

The TLHF is still my favourite sub-community though
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 11 2011 11:19 GMT
#4
Hmm I'm 20 and TL is the first an only forum in which i am a frequently active member. TL definitely does have some sort of attractive factor. For me it's currently my BW fascination as it was for you, i do wonder if i will continue to visit TL when my passion for BW dies (though i can't conceive of that happening right now XD). Time will tell if the TL factor affects me as much as it has you.

Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
September 11 2011 11:32 GMT
#5
I too miss the days of staying up night after night watching SC:BW. SC2 just doesn't have that same factor for me.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Ghin
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States2391 Posts
September 11 2011 11:33 GMT
#6
I feel the same way. I don't really even find SC2 that interesting and I still come here for some reason.

Coincidentally, the TL Factor is also what I call my penis.
Legalize drugs and murder.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
September 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#7
On September 11 2011 20:33 Ghin wrote:
Coincidentally, the TL Factor is also what I call my penis.


Unfortunately, there are much more males on TL than females.
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
September 11 2011 11:37 GMT
#8
On September 11 2011 20:32 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
I too miss the days of staying up night after night watching SC:BW. SC2 just doesn't have that same factor for me.


don't worry you'll be able to purchase the multiplayer replay feature soon psy
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 11 2011 11:50 GMT
#9
TL is just "home" to me, at least on the internet. I'm in the same boat as you. Don't play SC1/2 anymore, watch GSL from time to time.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 11 2011 11:59 GMT
#10
deep down we all love starcraft and that's enough for our hearts and brains to be content
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
September 11 2011 12:00 GMT
#11
yo send me a quora invite please.
too easy
cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
September 11 2011 12:23 GMT
#12
at the end of the day TL is like one big family and sometimes people get drunk throw up on the floor staining the family carpet but at the end of the day we will eventually forgive and make jolly telling of said event .
ZvP imbalanced blizzards solution nerf terran
Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
September 11 2011 13:20 GMT
#13
This is pretty much the only place I come on the internet... A place where finally people can't spam "umadbro" or call everyone a "faggot" for disagreeing with them. This is a nice peaceful place where everyone loves my favourite thing in the world, Starcraft :D
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50196 Posts
September 11 2011 14:13 GMT
#14
like NeoIllusions says,to some of us TL is like our internet home,no matter wherever you go,you always come back home.

I ♥ TL.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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NemesysTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1088 Posts
September 11 2011 14:14 GMT
#15
Because you love us
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 11 2011 14:16 GMT
#16
For me, TL is just a community of great people I don't mind hanging out with on the interwebs. I don't have time to watch BW live anymore, and I don't go into the SC2 sections anymore either but the two places I do lurk around I think are pretty awesome places (LoL Subforum and ADT). ADT has friendly people who have given me honest opinions on anime and manga (and Shizuka Itou kyun~). The LoL Subforum is actually a really great place with good advice and nice people, especially considering that the regular MOBA community tends to be pretty negative.

I think what makes TL special is that we're a bunch of people who like Starcraft but also have a wide variety of interests that coincide. We're also pretty chill and having that SC link between us means that we can feel at ease so there's less of the awkward "first meeting".
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-11 14:20:24
September 11 2011 14:19 GMT
#17
its because pro gaming in korea has its very unique feel
aka we do all share an asian midget fetish and thats very tight bond --
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 11 2011 14:23 GMT
#18
It's because you recognize and have a past with TL.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 11 2011 15:06 GMT
#19
On September 11 2011 23:19 Boonbag wrote:
its because pro gaming in korea has its very unique feel
aka we do all share an asian midget fetish and thats very tight bond --

The question is if you're referring to NaDa's body (who happens to be a six-footer) or to K-Pop girls.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
September 11 2011 15:06 GMT
#20
Why wouldnt this be home?
It has everything I'd desire of an internet forum... I remember the previous forum I was on, where the mods would do retarded stuff for shits and giggles..
I dont miss that
In the woods, there lurks..
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-11 15:20:48
September 11 2011 15:20 GMT
#21
People in general (usually found outside of the SC2 LR,strategy etc sections) are in generally more intelligent then the other parts of the interwebs(courtesy of the 'evil banmods), there are still idiots but far less then the average forum community.
Moreover, E-sport(and BW even more so) is a tiny fraction of society, to find people who have that same interest as you, interests me. It also amazes me how there are people from all kinds of countries with all kinds of cultures, education , views and well, things they do(take for example the guy who makes his own bread in a blog, its fucking awesome although I wouldn't ever do it myself).

Ow and the KMD thread and Nada's body(I should post some Jaedong again).

In BW and the KMD everyone knows each other(or well, most do) you know their likes, dislikes, how to get on their nerves etcetera, you feel part of a community.
WriterXiao8~~
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
September 11 2011 15:54 GMT
#22
I think it's more just habit.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
September 11 2011 16:50 GMT
#23
TL = Greatest online gaming community.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 17:25 GMT
#24
On September 11 2011 20:12 Cambium wrote:
I don't know.

A few years back, I felt really strongly attached to TL's community as a whole, I think this peaked around 2008.

Now with SCBW dwindling down, me growing old, and the community getting saturated with new SC2 gamers, I actually no longer feel the same way towards TL. It really saddens me to not recognize some posters with over 5000 posts.

The TLHF is still my favourite sub-community though


I was like that for the last 3 years. There are surely many posts where I am bitching about this fact openly.

The degree may be lessened, but I think the general ethos still remains, especially in particular subsets of the forum. (note that I only visit TLHF, Blogs, and maybe one or two other locations - I've learned to isolate myself from the increased noise on TL and reside in areas where the personal relationships are stronger - i.e. smaller subcommunities or blogs)
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 17:36 GMT
#25
On September 11 2011 20:19 ShadeR wrote:
Hmm I'm 20 and TL is the first an only forum in which i am a frequently active member. TL definitely does have some sort of attractive factor. For me it's currently my BW fascination as it was for you, i do wonder if i will continue to visit TL when my passion for BW dies (though i can't conceive of that happening right now XD). Time will tell if the TL factor affects me as much as it has you.



On September 11 2011 20:32 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
I too miss the days of staying up night after night watching SC:BW. SC2 just doesn't have that same factor for me.


I can't care less if I don't watch a GSL Final, but I was F5'ing for the OSL Semis!!
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
September 11 2011 17:37 GMT
#26
haha me too haji. I just look at TLHF, blogs, general, and sometimes the bw section.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 18:25 GMT
#27
On September 12 2011 00:20 Kipsate wrote:
People in general (usually found outside of the SC2 LR,strategy etc sections) are in generally more intelligent then the other parts of the interwebs(courtesy of the 'evil banmods), there are still idiots but far less then the average forum community.
Moreover, E-sport(and BW even more so) is a tiny fraction of society, to find people who have that same interest as you, interests me. It also amazes me how there are people from all kinds of countries with all kinds of cultures, education , views and well, things they do(take for example the guy who makes his own bread in a blog, its fucking awesome although I wouldn't ever do it myself).


If it were just intelligence and interests, I would abandon TL for Quora in a heartbeat. For me, this didn't turn out to be the answer.


On September 11 2011 23:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's because you recognize and have a past with TL.


My relationships here are certainly a function of my TL past, so this is certainly true.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 18:26 GMT
#28
On September 11 2011 23:14 NemesysTV wrote:
Because you love us


True.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 18:26 GMT
#29
On September 11 2011 21:23 cristo1122 wrote:
at the end of the day TL is like one big family and sometimes people get drunk throw up on the floor staining the family carpet but at the end of the day we will eventually forgive and make jolly telling of said event .


lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
September 11 2011 18:27 GMT
#30
I <3 you too, Haji ^^
Follow me on Twitter for pictures of cute gamers and food! https://twitter.com/lilsusie
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 18:53 GMT
#31
On September 12 2011 03:27 lilsusie wrote:
I <3 you too, Haji ^^


Hi Susie~
Let us know about your swell time in London!
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
September 11 2011 20:42 GMT
#32
TL has evolved from the passion we all share for SC. We all have a personal responsibility to this place, its a mini-life market where everything is free. It doesn't matter when you join, but when you check in you know you're around family so you can't help but come home.

The mods keep everything fresh and to a higher standard, dreams and sweat dust the floor, its a celebration of what we cherish. Sometimes it can get ugly, but this is a place where good will truly exists. I appreciate all of you <3
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2011 21:40 GMT
#33
"good will"

That's a good way to put it
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