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DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
September 09 2011 01:04 GMT
#1
So we all watch Destiny right? If not we have at least all heard of him. The guy gets a solid 3,000 viewers every time he streams, and from what I have heard a streamer gets about $2 everyone 1000 viewers for a commercial. SOOOOOOOOOOO, could streaming ever pay like a part-time job? In Canada the minimum wage is about $10/hour. And most would consider a part-time job to give about 20 hours/week. So the question is could someone do streaming part-time, and make the money required.

Well if streamers streamed the same way TV shows run, I think there would be about 3 commercial breaks every 10 minutes, with each having 3-4 commercials. So around 20 commercials per hour. If I'm a little off on my stats, correct me below, I don't watch much TV anymore, I usually just watch streams for my entertainment. Saying each "part-time" streamer gets 250 views during their stream time, that rounds out to 10$/hour.

Getting 250 viewers isn't even close to impossible either. When I released my SC2 mix, I capped over 300. The hardest part about it all is actually making it to partner. Saying your a streamer who frequents 250 viewer average every time you stream, I have found that over about a 5-8 hour period this can translates to 20k views (not kidding, thats about what I got). This will still take the guy who is doing this 20 hours a week over 13 weeks to finally get paid for what he is doing.

Mainly my whole point to this entire entry is that making partner isn't by any means easy. So for you haters who look at those who are partner and bitch about it (yes I used to be one of them) look at the numbers. Justin/Twitch don't make it easy for people to make partner, ever if something big happens for them and gets them popularity, it still takes a tonne of time to make partner and earn for all the work they have put in. So love all you partner who put in the crazy hours for our entertainment. We love to watch, and we love you!

DJ WILMA

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I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
-swordguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States560 Posts
September 09 2011 01:08 GMT
#2
Something you have to consider as well is that some people have ad blocker so they don't see the commercial. Nevertheless gl with this, it would show how big esports have grown if multiple people can make streaming a job (or in this case a part time job).
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 01:10:22
September 09 2011 01:10 GMT
#3
Even if you get partner, maintaining a high number of viewers after the main established streamers have already caused a saturation in the streaming market is difficult enough.

Players who have something unique, different or original for the scene don't peak beyond 50 viewers and that's peaking, not consistent.

I forget the numbers you needed to make partner, but it is increasingly difficult and time will make it even harder.

Finding a niche crowd and keeping that crowd entertained at a reasonable time and without other major streamers out there is difficult enough. You're ignoring so many details to make something seem more possible than it really is.

In my honest opinion.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Scisyhp
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States200 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 01:13:36
September 09 2011 01:13 GMT
#4
Your number of commercials per hour is extremely off...20 commercials an hour equals 1 commercial every 3 minutes. I've had et to see someone streaming run a commercial in the middle of the game so if a commercial is 30 seconds you'd have to win each game in an average of 2:30 to get 20 commercials an hour. Unless you're really good at worker rushes...

EDIT: or you're idra doing Q&A
DJWilma
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada740 Posts
September 09 2011 01:14 GMT
#5
On September 09 2011 10:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Even if you get partner, maintaining a high number of viewers after the main established streamers have already caused a saturation in the streaming market is difficult enough.

Players who have something unique, different or original for the scene don't peak beyond 50 viewers and that's peaking, not consistent.

I forget the numbers you needed to make partner, but it is increasingly difficult and time will make it even harder.

Finding a niche crowd and keeping that crowd entertained at a reasonable time and without other major streamers out there is difficult enough. You're ignoring so many details to make something seem more possible than it really is.

In my honest opinion.


Oh I totally agree, but I just wanted to make note of how hard it is and how those who made it, worked their asses off, I doubt ill ever make it, as the viewer pool wont increase to make up for the ever increasing number of streamers
I write stuff on LiquidDota also I own omwproductions.com
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
September 09 2011 01:31 GMT
#6
I believe you are very inaccurate about how many commercials are aired on streams. Players air a commercial between each game played. That can range from 5-10mins all the way up to 45minutes between each commercial. I would say on average you could air between 3-6 commercials an hour, which is much lower than the 20 commericals you originally calculated.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 09 2011 01:33 GMT
#7
On September 09 2011 10:14 DJWilma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 10:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Even if you get partner, maintaining a high number of viewers after the main established streamers have already caused a saturation in the streaming market is difficult enough.

Players who have something unique, different or original for the scene don't peak beyond 50 viewers and that's peaking, not consistent.

I forget the numbers you needed to make partner, but it is increasingly difficult and time will make it even harder.

Finding a niche crowd and keeping that crowd entertained at a reasonable time and without other major streamers out there is difficult enough. You're ignoring so many details to make something seem more possible than it really is.

In my honest opinion.


Oh I totally agree, but I just wanted to make note of how hard it is and how those who made it, worked their asses off, I doubt ill ever make it, as the viewer pool wont increase to make up for the ever increasing number of streamers


I got a contract with Own3D.tv, too bad the site is terrible ):
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 09 2011 01:43 GMT
#8
Look on the front page and see how few streams have like....1000 concurrents at any given time. There are maybe 10 streams at the most that'll have that number. Now do you think that you can be someone who can reach that level of popularity with what you do, to the point where you are ALWAYS at 1000+ viewers, are you one of the 100 or so most entertaining streamers around that can get 1000 viewers for 8 hours a day and hitting commercials still, once every 15 minutes?

Thats all I can say every time I hear someone who talks about wanting to stream for a living.
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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
September 09 2011 01:51 GMT
#9
On September 09 2011 10:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Even if you get partner, maintaining a high number of viewers after the main established streamers have already caused a saturation in the streaming market is difficult enough.


Saturation is relative. I've seen large tournaments (or IdrA) get 20k viewers any time they are on. It's a matter of finding an audience, I'm quite like the average viewer who just came home from work and is looking for something interesting to watch, but between a crazy latino zerg, some low tier terrans, a 2v2er and an artist, I'm having tennis.

That said, it first and foremost requires to be actually good at StarCraft, at which point one would just start doing it.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-09 04:52:48
September 09 2011 04:52 GMT
#10
You see the featured streamers on the top? For every guy at the very top with 1k viewers there's 30+ non-featured streamers playing games at a decent skill level with <50 viewers.
NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
September 09 2011 05:55 GMT
#11
There are maybe 50 people in the world that could stream part time and make money doing it.

There are 0 people in the world than could stream (SC2) part time and make money running 20 commercials an hour.

Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
September 09 2011 05:58 GMT
#12
On September 09 2011 14:55 NoobStyles wrote:
There are maybe 50 people in the world that could stream part time and make money doing it.

There are 0 people in the world than could stream (SC2) part time and make money running 20 commercials an hour.


day9 could
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NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
September 09 2011 07:46 GMT
#13
On September 09 2011 14:58 Kiante wrote:
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On September 09 2011 14:55 NoobStyles wrote:
There are maybe 50 people in the world that could stream part time and make money doing it.

There are 0 people in the world than could stream (SC2) part time and make money running 20 commercials an hour.


day9 could



Maybe for a little while he could. I suspect he would loose viewers extremely quickly thought.

I could be wrong I haven't really watched day9 since the BW daily's so maybe I'm just completely out of sync with his fan base. But I cant imagine the person that's sitting there willing to watch a commercial ever 3 minuets just because its Day9. Also this is a long term thing not just a ounce off, so sure day 1 everyone would be watching, day 30 after you get home from work/school and you have the choice day9, 20 commercials/hr or any other streamer 3-4/hr who would you be choosing then?
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
September 09 2011 11:55 GMT
#14
You also have to consider that ad companies are very selective about their audience and often will put restrictions on the commercials based on IP. That will furtherly decrease the amount of commercials displayed compared to the total viewers.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
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