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[Starcraft II] My Promotion

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-03 12:13:10
August 23 2011 07:05 GMT
#1
As the title states, this is about my recent(just now) SCII league promotion. I had to fight nail and tooth in the Gold league and work on my Terran game(coming from Z/P it was different) After lots of laddering and hard work, I've finally done it.

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As to the game that caused this, it was a TvsP on Altar. I had to pass a test and a hard one:

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HOW DO I DEAL WITH THESE!!!!! Scary stuff I tell ya XD

Details about the game: We both expanded. I expanded a bit earlier before he realized what I was up to and expanded. He took a faster 3rd though and even a 4th as I took my 3rd but I realized that much later after a scan. Had a couple of battles, that one above being one of them. I won that first battle, lost the second to mass stalkers+immortals, switched into marines and rolled his chargelot+stalker+immortal+VR army(can anyone see something wrong with this? ) when they tried to move up my ramp then took out 2 of his exps and dodged several storms against a similar composition before marching up his ramp and winning the game. Pretty long game as well, almost 40min long.

What does this mean? I'm now more qualified to say things are imba compared to when I was in Gold and Silver before

Replay:
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Bonus points for anyone answering how I dealt with his first army and the question in the detail section

*
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
August 23 2011 07:30 GMT
#2
Gratz
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
August 23 2011 07:38 GMT
#3
Gratz on your promotion!

On August 23 2011 16:05 BigFan wrote:
What does this mean? I'm now more qualified to say things are imba compared to when I was in Gold and Silver before

Don't fool yourself, no one will listen to a platinum level comment on balance.
SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
August 23 2011 07:39 GMT
#4
He said more qualified not absolutely qualified.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 23 2011 07:44 GMT
#5
On August 23 2011 16:38 Sotamursu wrote:
Gratz on your promotion!

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On August 23 2011 16:05 BigFan wrote:
What does this mean? I'm now more qualified to say things are imba compared to when I was in Gold and Silver before

Don't fool yourself, no one will listen to a platinum level comment on balance.

hehe, it was meant as a joke :p

Thanks for the comments
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
[uci] Fizik
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States263 Posts
August 23 2011 07:47 GMT
#6
switched into marines and rolled his chargelot+stalker+immortal+VR army(can anyone see something wrong with this? )


I just love it when terran tier 1 rolls protoss tier 2. Then again immortals and VR suck against marines.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 23 2011 07:51 GMT
#7
Yep that one of the answers His composition was just terrible against marines. I mean marines soft counter VRs/immortals and stalkers aren't dps units either. That and he engages up a ramp with only 10 zealots to help out and I had 7 medivacs at this point
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Trufflez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia174 Posts
August 23 2011 08:15 GMT
#8
How many plats were you beating and stuff? I've been struggling to break the barrier at the top of my div for weeks, with a 50/50 platinum beating ratio. and beating most golds. but whenever I lose to a plat i'm like FUCK THAT COULDVE BEEN MY PROMOTION GAME.
The winnings in life go to the people who show up.
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 08:38:10
August 23 2011 08:28 GMT
#9
I assume the answer you are looking for on the other question is the scan after 2/3 of his actual army had already been killed, which allowed you to kill his last 3 colossi... Honestly the real reason you won the battle is that his hallucinated colossi blocked his own colossi from attacking, let alone getting the proper angle. Had he immortal focused your thors and FF'd your maruaders after the thors were down, you would have lost the battle.

Edit: The correct answer to your 'what is wrong with this picture' is actually nothing. Marines are the best unit in your arsenal against both voids and immortals. The voids can't get charged up, and the immortal hardened shield mechanic makes their shields evaporate to fast attacking units, not to mention they are meant to focus armored units. Also, you were 3:3 vs 2:1:1 protoss... it doesn't even matter what the protoss composition is. They're going to die if they are that far behind in upgrades.

At one point in the game you were actually 3:3 bio and 1:3 ground mech while the protoss was on 1:0:0.
Skill is relative.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 08:33:46
August 23 2011 08:30 GMT
#10
^^Making less mistakes than your opponent, definition of SCII to an extent Yes, the answer I was looking for was that he hallucinated all those colossi, so I used my scans to find out the real ones and started targetting them down with vikings. I might've lost that battle had he targetted but, I wasn't too worried because only the immortals were a cause for concern since I had an armored army. Even then, he only had 4 I think and the rest were stalkers+sentries+colossi which isn't that scary once you take the colossi out

On August 23 2011 17:15 Trufflez wrote:
How many plats were you beating and stuff? I've been struggling to break the barrier at the top of my div for weeks, with a 50/50 platinum beating ratio. and beating most golds. but whenever I lose to a plat i'm like FUCK THAT COULDVE BEEN MY PROMOTION GAME.

hmm, tbh I dunno. I think around 30 games and was winning >50%. I too thought it was bizzare and was taking too long but I hopped on today for a game, won and got promoted. I'll check my match history to see if I can find how long it's been since I started playing Plats, but, I'm somewhat positive it was around 30 games ago or so because I went on a 5 game win streak then started playing Plat and went on win/lose streaks from there XD
I'll tell you it's tough because there is no way to check if you are close or not. Just keep at it and once you start only facing Plats like in my case, you'll know that you're pretty close. GL
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 23 2011 08:44 GMT
#11
On August 23 2011 17:28 esReveR wrote:
I assume the answer you are looking for on the other question is the scan after 2/3 of his actual army had already been killed, which allowed you to kill his last 3 colossi... Honestly the real reason you won the battle is that his hallucinated colossi blocked his own colossi from attacking, let alone getting the proper angle. Had he immortal focused your thors and FF'd your maruaders after the thors were down, you would have lost the battle.

Edit: The correct answer to your 'what is wrong with this picture' is actually nothing. Marines are the best unit in your arsenal against both voids and immortals. The voids can't get charged up, and the immortal hardened shield mechanic makes their shields evaporate to fast attacking units, not to mention they are meant to focus armored units. Also, you were 3:3 vs 2:1:1 protoss... it doesn't even matter what the protoss composition is. They're going to die if they are that far behind in upgrades.

At one point in the game you were actually 3:3 bio and 1:3 ground mech while the protoss was on 1:0:0.

Actually what was wrong with it, was that his composition was all around bad for marines. That's what I was looking for, but, you're right. If he re-added colossi back in instead of VRs, he would've taken that third engagement imo and might've even won the game then and there. I did keep watching his composition throughout the game using scans though(blame BW for making me forget about mules O_o). You're also correct that I had the upper hand in upgrading and such. I went for fast upgrades since I start banking money when my exp is saturated and I wanted to put it to good use
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
August 23 2011 08:51 GMT
#12
On August 23 2011 17:44 BigFan wrote:
Actually what was wrong with it, was that his composition was all around bad for marines.


Upgraded zeal/stalker eats marines up.
Skill is relative.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
August 23 2011 09:01 GMT
#13
It honestly did not occur to me that the collossi were fake
I'd have done a gg right there when I saw it :D

Congrats on your promotion. Now you have 3 leagues left to get promoted too!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
August 23 2011 09:58 GMT
#14
Holy shit are those hallucinations or did that dude really make 16 Collosi? O_o I main Random and that comp even scares me to death. lol Congrats on making Platinum with T bro, good job! :D My fav league was gold, such a great league imo.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 23 2011 10:15 GMT
#15
On August 23 2011 17:51 esReveR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 17:44 BigFan wrote:
Actually what was wrong with it, was that his composition was all around bad for marines.


Upgraded zeal/stalker eats marines up.

hmm, I don't fully agree with you. Maybe with no medivacs and non stimmed marines but stimmed marine eat zealots alive especially if you kite them(talking about normal zealots). Even if we were on similar upgrades, I think bio eats gateway units and I'm confident that I'm not alone in that thought. That and I would've mixed in some marauders anyways and started to once he had hts out towards the end but was at 200/200 supply.

On August 23 2011 18:01 shannn wrote:
It honestly did not occur to me that the collossi were fake
I'd have done a gg right there when I saw it :D

Congrats on your promotion. Now you have 3 leagues left to get promoted too!

hehe, I never gg until my opponent is in my base with a decent army left. Given, I think Idra would've gg'd to that XD
As an example, I played a TvsT also on Altar about 15 games back. I went bio against a mech army. I managed to take out a decent portion of my opponent's army as he attacked my base(he had ~25 BFH and 7+ thors) but he had 4 thors left, 2 full hp, 2 red hp. I still kept making units, tanks, banshees, MM, etc.... and was able to eventually take them out after he destroyed my exp. I targetted the 2 red thors with my banshees then used a tank that just came out with some MM, etc.... and focus fired. Even though I lost my exp, still had a third up and all my structures intact. Did I mention I sent 6 cloaked banshees to his base to tear it up as he engaged my army so his main with all the structures was gone

Yes, 3 more leagues! It would be funny if I make GM but I don't play enough to make it. I find that when I start dedicating time to the game and grind a bit, I get promoted XD Of course, hard work pays off imo

On August 23 2011 18:58 RaLakedaimon wrote:
Holy shit are those hallucinations or did that dude really make 16 Collosi? O_o I main Random and that comp even scares me to death. lol Congrats on making Platinum with T bro, good job! :D My fav league was gold, such a great league imo.

hehe, he only made 5 or so but he had sentries and spent their energy on hallucination. My guess is, he wanted me to a) freak out and b) target the colossi with my vikings so that by the time I take them all out, his colossi would've helped his ground army to defeat mine. It didn't exactly work because I saw the hallucinations as he did them, also knew that he only had 5-6 colossi when he moved out and I had some energy left in my cc since I kept forgetting to mule and just scanned and shift attacked my vikings. I even did it 2-3 more times to double check I got them all because there were so many XD

Thanks, I was random in S2. Loved it, but, I found that I barely got to play my fav MU(TvsZ) so I decided that its best I go Terran this season to get a more micro oriented race and get familiar with their macro since they were my weakest. I think now, T is my strongest XD I agree, gold league was a pretty good league. I wasn't in it as much as Silver but still enjoyed it. You get some macro games, some cheeses, all-ins, etc.... but rarely any BM.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Quad-Damage
Profile Joined August 2011
38 Posts
October 20 2011 19:20 GMT
#16
Damn bro ur so cute!
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