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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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darcevader88
Canada648 Posts
I also feel like there are huge portions of the BW population that act like EVER using that word in reference to sc2 is an actrocity even if it's like a future dated statement which i find offensive as a former BW fanatic to a newly sc2 fanatic. I feel like there are both extremes and not nearly enough people in the middle who are being reasonable about it, soo many fair weather sc2 fans are screaming the word from the rooftops every single time someone wins a few tournaments and then you have BW guys coming into the threads just going crazy bashing the hell out of them for using it. Both sides need to chill the hell out in their respective nonsensical areas. If Nestea wins like 6 GSLs in a year, MAYBE MAYBE if he has shown just overwhelming dominance we can use it, til then. STFU both sides. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On August 02 2011 16:10 Linkirvana wrote: I disagree. People use exaggerated compliments all the time. Yet Bonjwa seems to be the one where everybody gets anal about. I disagree with your analogy as well, this whole thing is about complimenting someone else, not yourself. If you were to call someone the greatest thinker of all time over say, not walking into that pile of shit, I would not go and point out why I think that person is not the greatest thinker of all time. Cause I'd be going anal about it wouldn't you agree? The thing is, it's not just an exaggerated compliment. It's a large number of people trying to legitimately apply a title. I don't care that much about people using it in jest, but the problem is that people are stone cold seriously trying to say these guys are Bonjwas. If I were, in absolutely serious fashion saying I'm the greatest thinker of all time, you'd obviously correct me. And it's not just hostility to SC2. In the BW forums, we get in completely ridiculous, flamewar worthy argument over whether or not Flash and Jaedong are Bonjwas, and we used to do it about Bisu. It's taken very seriously for our community. Again I must concede, fair enough. However I still feel that saying something like "amagad Losira bonjwa" should be perfectly fine. Yeah, no one should care about that unless it happens en masse and picks up steam, because that causes discussion which enforces a serious tone. Your analogy proves my point. Disagreeing with that is being an asshole. Everybody knows that it's an exaggerated compliment. Pointing it out seems weird, very weird. Asking for these people to get as much as a ban over such a statement is even more weird. If 1 of your friends called your other friend (Who happends to be in silver league) a bonjwa, for succesfully doing something silly as a 4gate rush, would you be that guy who sits there and explains exactly the standards for a bonjwa? Clearly I am exaggerating in my arguments, because I understand it becomes less about being an asshole as people are more serious about their statement regarding "Person X is a bonjwa" and more about just being right. However considering the immense room for disagreement when it comes to the term Bonjwa I feel that triggering a barrage of anecdotal evidence by for example pointing out that "person X is not really a Bonjwa, only SaviOr was!" still makes you look like a bit of a douchebag because quite frankly, that person is not going to care. Again, you miss my point. People are annoyed at these things being said in a serious context, and people actually arguing that Nestea is up to Bonjwa standards. If I were, in an absolutely serious manner, saying a 5 year old was truly Messi's rival as a soccer player, then I'd be daft and you'd be right to call me wrong. This is different from using it in jest or using it as encouragement. In a legitimate discussion, the SC2 forums need to cool down on proclaiming dudes bonjwa in a serious way, atleast for another year or so (and that's only if SOMEONE who's been dominant previously in this first year of SC2 completely dominates the next year. Finnicky requirements). There's still debate on whether Flash is a bonjwa or not after his past year and a half, no way anyone who hasn't won every single GSL could be bonjwa in sc2 yet. | ||
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Cwall
United States64 Posts
nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Cwall wrote: it's obvious that these broodwar fanboys don't pay attention to the sc2 competitive scene at all nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa Oh god I can't stop laughing at the pure ignorance of this post, and this is coming form someone who started following this from SC2, though i have started to watch PL couple of month ago. | ||
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zeru
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Have you seen THAT thread? I won't link it, but it is in the closed threads section. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Change the TL script, so that the b word becomes bon jovi. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Cwall wrote: it's obvious that these broodwar fanboys don't pay attention to the sc2 competitive scene at all nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa OK I'm just gonna leave these 2 images from the God of the Battlefield article here... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/TLFE/saviordifference.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/TLFE/saviorstats.png) Think twice about using that word next time. EDIT: also credit to hawaiianpig for being a baller and making those sweet graphics. | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Cwall wrote: it's obvious that these broodwar fanboys don't pay attention to the sc2 competitive scene at all nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa You need to edit your post right now before someone see's it. You have no idea what that word even means do you? Literally, you aren't just using it at an inappropriate time, your using it incorrectly. I'd prefer this term remain one that is used referring to BW. As a sc2 community, I think we need to come up with our own term if and when we get a player somewhere down the road that shows the same dominance over a very entended period of time then we can start coming up with our own term to use and leave that B word sacred to BW. | ||
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tehplank
977 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Cwall wrote: it's obvious that these broodwar fanboys don't pay attention to the sc2 competitive scene at all nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa It's obvious that you don't pay attention to the skill level of the BW bonjwas. Nestea might be the best SC2 player, but bonjwa? Hell no. Please.. stop putting Nestea at the same level as Savior. I'm not even a huge BW fan by the way. Thanks for ruining the image of SC2 fans even more. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Let's add it to the TL list of commandments: "Thou shall not speak the B-Word in vain." With a disclaimer reading something along the lines of: "You who are new, you do not and you shall not ever appreciate nor understand the epic proportions of epicness that was the history of SC1. It contains holy shrines that can not be trespassed upon by lowly uninitiated mortals. You will treat it with reverence and respect and will not challenge the elite Brood War priests, and you shall not attempt to use their sacred words lightly." lol... | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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Nethermind
New Zealand445 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Cwall wrote: it's obvious that these broodwar fanboys don't pay attention to the sc2 competitive scene at all nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa quit making yourself (and other sc2 fans with low posts) look bad. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Cwall wrote: it's obvious that these broodwar fanboys don't pay attention to the sc2 competitive scene at all nestea is obviously the bonjwa of koreans atm and the bonjwa of non-koreans would probably have to be naniwa Hey Mr.18-posts, have you read the TL Ten Commands? Maybe you should, eh? Maybe you also should do some research on the origins of that term before throwing it everywhere. For your information, I do keep track of GSL / GSTL as well as major foreign tournaments (recently MLG Anaheim). | ||
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