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What is the best way to approach GM? - Page 3

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FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 08:15:18
July 27 2011 08:01 GMT
#41
On July 25 2011 22:32 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
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On July 25 2011 21:10 RANDOMCL wrote:
On July 25 2011 14:18 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
go take GM. means nothing

I'm 1900+ masters too and i get raped by 1300 koreans

NA points are a false sense of achievement in my eyes


It actually does mean something. Pretty obvious. Not sure if you don't understand how the ladder system works or what, but it means you're top 200 in the U.S. ladder. Obviously, that means something. It means you are likely better than most players below you. That DEFINITELY means something.

False sense of achievement? It seems like quite an achievement to me. Just because better competition exists doesn't mean that GM isn't an accomplishment. The players there are generally better, which means YOU'LL get better playing them. That sounds that a great idea for players trying to get better.

See, you just want to sound elitist and condescending. And you're doing a good job. Too bad it isn't over something more important than a video game.


Yeh, okay, that's why there's tons of players who don't get GM that are just as good as the GM's

I've beaten tons of GM's and I'm not GM... therefore, it means nothing

Go look at any GM's match history.. do they only lose to GM players?

My case stands, you tried to change my mind, but it didn't work

Also, suppose he does get GM. I've beaten him before, and I'm probably not going to try to get GM.. does that make him better than me? Did he achieve anything? Maybe you're a bronze player and GM seems appealing to you, but once you get to their actual level you realize that it means nothing

SlayerSCella, EGIdrA, FXOSheth, LGShew, JulyZerg.... all aren't GM on NA. the List goes on. Do you really think they lose to all GM players?


I don't think you have a firm grasp on how the ladder system works. I can't explain it to you further.

It has nothing to do with "appeal". You know nothing about me.

You completely misunderstood everything in my post.

Not all players in GM are good. Not all good players in GM. Not all GM players beat all players not in GM league. I completely agree with everything you said there.

However, again, you don't understand how the ladder works.

You say it has "no meaning".

Take 10 randomly selected players from GM. Have them play against 10 randomly selected players in Bronze. Now, 10 in Silver. Now, 10 in Gold. 10 in Plat. 10 in Diamond. 10 in Masters.

Do they lose some? Yes. Will they win more than they lose? Yes.

If GM players beat lower league players more than they lose (more than a 50% win ratio), then that statistically proves that GM players are, on average, better.

I'm not saying all GM players are great. I'm not saying they don't lose. I'm not saying that it contains all the best players. I'm not saying that there aren't top players who aren't in GM. I'm not saying they don't lose to players in lower leagues. I'm not saying they are as good as GM players in Korea.

I am SAYING that GM players, on average, are BETTER than players in lower leagues.

If that weren't true, they wouldn't have advanced to GM.

There are players who don't belong in GM, but are there. There are players who AREN'T in GM, but belong there.

Do you honestly not understand how the ladder works?

For GM to have "no meaning", all players would have to be placed there randomly. All players in all leagues would have to be assigned randomly.

That makes absolutely no sense. The ladder system exists to allow better players to rank up. The system has flaws, but on average, a random, GM player will be better than a random bronze player. If that is true, then GM has meaning.

You are saying it has zero meaning. You are wrong. The statistics, the ladder, and a common understanding of how a ladder system works proves you wrong.

"I've beaten tons of GM's and I'm not GM... therefore, it means nothing"
This statement shows how little you understand. That is a complete logical fallacy.

Do you honestly not see how that sentence makes no sense? It literally does not follow any train of logic.

Are you seriously implying that, on average, a GM player is no better than a bronze or silver player?

If you say that the above statement is true, you are beyond help.
If you say it is false, then obviously, league standings have some meaning.

Again. I'm not saying all GM players are better than all Masters players, or Diamond, or plat. I'm saying, on average, league standings give a GENERAL IDEA OF SKILL LEVEL.

Even if that isn't true, if they give ANY idea of skill level, then the placement in league has "some meaning".

Stop trying to be correct for the sake of being correct. Realize how flawed your logic is.

All of this results in the following:

As you continue to win, you will continue to play better players. That is how a ladder works. By saying a league "has no meaning", you are saying that it doesn't, on average, have better players than lower leagues. That is false. As you progress, players generally improve. Thus, the ladder system is a great way to improve. There are better ways, but that doesn't mean the ladder system (and GM ranking) mean nothing.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
July 27 2011 18:58 GMT
#42
On July 27 2011 14:39 birdkicker wrote:
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On July 27 2011 14:33 LuckyFool wrote:
wow you played almost 50 ladder games today? nice!!

I played my placement and lost. LOL


Yeah my left arm actually hurts after playing that many games because i tend to spam quite a bit.

By the way! Can you or any other high level player take a few minutes one some days to play a few practice games? I feel like my ZvP and ZvZ is GM level but my ZvT felt so lacking today. It would help a ton in preperation for the 2nd week.
sure. Come hang out in channel op nrg) on bnet
birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
July 28 2011 04:03 GMT
#43
On July 28 2011 03:58 LuckyFool wrote:
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On July 27 2011 14:39 birdkicker wrote:
On July 27 2011 14:33 LuckyFool wrote:
wow you played almost 50 ladder games today? nice!!

I played my placement and lost. LOL


Yeah my left arm actually hurts after playing that many games because i tend to spam quite a bit.

By the way! Can you or any other high level player take a few minutes one some days to play a few practice games? I feel like my ZvP and ZvZ is GM level but my ZvT felt so lacking today. It would help a ton in preperation for the 2nd week.
sure. Come hang out in channel op nrg) on bnet


Alright thanks!

Ending 2nd day of reset with 526 points 27-29 Record. Trying really hard to get my win rate back to positive!
birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
July 31 2011 17:00 GMT
#44
just got spanked around a bit by time, incontrol, and a few others. in a 6 loss streak
birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 06:13:18
August 09 2011 06:12 GMT
#45
GM releasing tomorrow! I am at 861 points w/24 bonus pool (was too scared to ladder at all today). Currently ranked 62 in NA! I also got my winrate back to positive, at 91-89. Hopefully I can get GM tomorrow, wish me best of luck

GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
August 09 2011 06:22 GMT
#46
Good luck!
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birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
August 09 2011 16:16 GMT
#47
Thanks Gen! How come you haven't been on lately? :o..

AND GUYS I GOT GM. :D:D:D Oh GOD!! I started the day with a win, then losing three times in a row then winning one more into GM! : :DD:D: Sorry if my grammar sucks i am just so happy :D
Coindrop
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States203 Posts
August 09 2011 16:54 GMT
#48
On August 10 2011 01:16 birdkicker wrote:
Thanks Gen! How come you haven't been on lately? :o..

AND GUYS I GOT GM. :D:D:D Oh GOD!! I started the day with a win, then losing three times in a row then winning one more into GM! : :DD:D: Sorry if my grammar sucks i am just so happy :D


Congrats mate! You deserve it <3!
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birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
August 09 2011 17:53 GMT
#49
On August 10 2011 01:54 FreshandLegit wrote:
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On August 10 2011 01:16 birdkicker wrote:
Thanks Gen! How come you haven't been on lately? :o..

AND GUYS I GOT GM. :D:D:D Oh GOD!! I started the day with a win, then losing three times in a row then winning one more into GM! : :DD:D: Sorry if my grammar sucks i am just so happy :D


Congrats mate! You deserve it <3!


Thank you!
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 09 2011 18:33 GMT
#50
Congrats It's pretty obvious how important it was to you.
I only have this to say.
You earned it!
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
August 09 2011 19:06 GMT
#51
I'm so jelly (:
I'm an old man now
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
August 10 2011 08:23 GMT
#52
grats on grandmasters bro
aka SethN
rarelyGG
Profile Joined August 2011
United States19 Posts
August 10 2011 10:11 GMT
#53
congrats
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
August 10 2011 12:02 GMT
#54
There is actually a handful of mid-low masters players from s2 in GM this season, which is very frustrating. I'm not sure how the GM system works now a days :| I see 1500masters, and even some 900~ masters players in GM now, and they don't have awesome records either. There is one guy who is 5-6 and last season was about 1.5k...

Whole thing looks pretty wonky /shrug.
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
August 10 2011 12:53 GMT
#55
PICS PL0X!!! :DD

Seriously though. Well done
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
August 10 2011 14:33 GMT
#56
GratZ! Worst player in gm? Lolol I kid worst player in gm is flawlesskalu obv (combatex a close 2nd)
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
August 10 2011 14:38 GMT
#57
On July 25 2011 12:28 SoKHo wrote:
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On July 25 2011 12:18 TehTemplar wrote:
If you are good enough to beat GM players, you shouldn't need to fear going on a massive losing streak. If you lose a lot of games, it's because you deserve it. If you win, obviously you deserve it (unless you cheese every game..)


Even if he cheeses every game he still deserves it... I'm not sure where this mentality of cheese = undeserving is coming from... When Flash beats a zerg w/ 5 rax, nobody goes, "oh, he doesn't deserve that" Of course, he did, it's the opponent's fault for not defending the cheese.

Uhh.. 5 rax is a very high skill requirement mid game aggression. It is not a cheese, in fact more than perhaps any terran build it banks on terran having an extremely good marine medic control, rather than opponent's lack of knowledge. Flash beating enemies with it is honourable, as it is not based on secrecy or dice roll, but unit control of the highest caliber.
Aah thats the stuff..
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
August 10 2011 15:43 GMT
#58
Can you stop 7pooling me every game now that you're GM plx ^^
Progamer
birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
August 10 2011 21:12 GMT
#59
Thanks everyone <3.

On August 11 2011 00:43 Scarlett` wrote:
Can you stop 7pooling me every game now that you're GM plx ^^

LOL. Sorry . I play standard most ZvZs, but sometimes my gut tells me to 7 pool and get the easy win. My gut is usually correct .
.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
August 11 2011 00:26 GMT
#60
Gratz on GM bird, maybe you can teach me how to dougie, err win against Z. Im Commy :p
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