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Hello TL.
What is the best way to approach GM promotion?
I am a High Masters Zerg player now, playing since the end half of beta. Boasting 1977 points, getting matched with GMs and high masters, and also getting favored vs GMs as well as Even Teams, i think i could potentially get GM next season.
But how should i approach this promotion? What should I do to give me the best chance of promotion?
1) Keep playing games and hopefully not get on a losing streak before GM release, which is 2 weeks after season 3?
2) Stop laddering until GM is released?
3) Play fewer games then normal b/c of fear of losing streak?
Side Question: If i only play two games in season 3, one for promotion and one for GM placement, will I get into GM given that my MMR is high enough, or do i need to play more games?
TY for reading,
birdkicker.524 hopefully s3 GM 
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your Country52797 Posts
If you are good enough to beat GM players, you shouldn't need to fear going on a massive losing streak. If you lose a lot of games, it's because you deserve it. If you win, obviously you deserve it (unless you cheese every game..)
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The best approach is to keep laddering. The more you ladder, the more you will improve. Even if you go on a losing stream, the amount that you will improve will make getting into GM slightly easier.
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On July 25 2011 12:13 birdkicker wrote:Hello TL. What is the best way to approach GM promotion? I am a High Masters Zerg player now, playing since the end half of beta. Boasting 1977 points, getting matched with GMs and high masters, and also getting favored vs GMs as well as Even Teams, i think i could potentially get GM next season. But how should i approach this promotion? What should I do to give me the best chance of promotion? 1) Keep playing games and hopefully not get on a losing streak before GM release, which is 2 weeks after season 3? 2) Stop laddering until GM is released? 3) Play fewer games then normal b/c of fear of losing streak? Side Question: If i only play two games in season 3, one for promotion and one for GM placement, will I get into GM given that my MMR is high enough, or do i need to play more games? TY for reading, birdkicker.524 hopefully s3 GM
You approach it by being top 200 in your region.
If you really have more MMR than some GM players (you only get booted out of GM in a season for being inactive I believe) then you could very well get placed next season if you are indeed top 200 and you keep your MMR up. Basically, if you really feel you are a shoe-in, then you should get promoted very quickly (actually I think they schedule when they do the GM league).
I'll find an explanation thread for you just in case I'm wrong and/or you need more.
EDIT: Found an FAQ.
Pretty much just keep it up if you feel you will get in and when they make the league for Season 3 then bam, you'll know for sure.
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On July 25 2011 12:19 Chairman Ray wrote:
The best approach is to keep laddering. The more you ladder, the more you will improve. Even if you go on a losing stream, the amount that you will improve will make getting into GM slightly easier.
This. Otherwise you'll get rusty. I think you got gm if you just maintain your skill level.
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plz take my GM spot next season, ppl not being able to chat or add you without your code sux so much. I need to tank my mmr before next season so I get masters.
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On July 25 2011 12:18 TehTemplar wrote:
If you are good enough to beat GM players, you shouldn't need to fear going on a massive losing streak. If you lose a lot of games, it's because you deserve it. If you win, obviously you deserve it (unless you cheese every game..)
Even if he cheeses every game he still deserves it... I'm not sure where this mentality of cheese = undeserving is coming from... When Flash beats a zerg w/ 5 rax, nobody goes, "oh, he doesn't deserve that" Of course, he did, it's the opponent's fault for not defending the cheese.
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your Country52797 Posts
On July 25 2011 12:28 SoKHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 12:18 TehTemplar wrote:
If you are good enough to beat GM players, you shouldn't need to fear going on a massive losing streak. If you lose a lot of games, it's because you deserve it. If you win, obviously you deserve it (unless you cheese every game..) Even if he cheeses every game he still deserves it... I'm not sure where this mentality of cheese = undeserving is coming from... When Flash beats a zerg w/ 5 rax, nobody goes, "oh, he doesn't deserve that" Of course, he did, it's the opponent's fault for not defending the cheese.
Yeah, I guess you're right... but my point was that being a one trick pony (i.e cheesing every game) is not the right mentality you should have if you want to approach grandmasters.
Edit: Also, if you can cheese THAT WELL, then you probably still deserve it for having mad micro.
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Just keep laddering and don't worry about your league. If you can beat GM's, then you know you're good enough to be in GM, whether you get chosen or not.
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nothing you do changes your chances. It's MMR, so play a lot at the start of the season but I'm pretty sure most spots are reserved regardless.
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Ignore leagues completely, just don't think about that at all. Just play ladder as much as you find good for you personal improvement. The point is not to be GM, but to be good at the game.
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United Kingdom2763 Posts
Thinly veiled brag much?
I'm nowhere near GM so I can only offer you encouragement, ladder, ladder some more, practice, practice some more, and make another thinly veiled brag post once you get into GM! GL HF!
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On July 25 2011 12:50 Mobius_1 wrote:Thinly veiled brag much? I'm nowhere near GM so I can only offer you encouragement, ladder, ladder some more, practice, practice some more, and make another thinly veiled brag post once you get into GM! GL HF!
Sorry if this feels like a brag post but I'm actually really paranoid about getting into GM next seaso
The problem is, when i lose, I get quite upset, putting me easily on tilts...
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On July 25 2011 12:55 birdkicker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 12:50 Mobius_1 wrote:Thinly veiled brag much? I'm nowhere near GM so I can only offer you encouragement, ladder, ladder some more, practice, practice some more, and make another thinly veiled brag post once you get into GM! GL HF! Sorry if this feels like a brag post but I'm actually really paranoid about getting into GM next seaso The problem is, when i lose, I get quite upset, putting me easily on tilts...
Sounds like you aren't ready for gm
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On July 25 2011 12:55 birdkicker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 12:50 Mobius_1 wrote:Thinly veiled brag much? I'm nowhere near GM so I can only offer you encouragement, ladder, ladder some more, practice, practice some more, and make another thinly veiled brag post once you get into GM! GL HF! Sorry if this feels like a brag post but I'm actually really paranoid about getting into GM next seaso The problem is, when i lose, I get quite upset, putting me easily on tilts...
That should probably be your main focus, then. Remember to not queue for the next game until you've calmed down and have regained a clear perspective. Think about why you're upset. Is it because you made a mistake you could have easily avoided? If so then think about how you're going to fix it, and not let it happen next game. Is it because you lost focus mid-game? I'm not sure of a good fix for that, but keeping hydrated and eating healthy will be a great way to maintain focus. Hope that helps!
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On July 25 2011 13:47 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 12:55 birdkicker wrote:On July 25 2011 12:50 Mobius_1 wrote:Thinly veiled brag much? I'm nowhere near GM so I can only offer you encouragement, ladder, ladder some more, practice, practice some more, and make another thinly veiled brag post once you get into GM! GL HF! Sorry if this feels like a brag post but I'm actually really paranoid about getting into GM next seaso The problem is, when i lose, I get quite upset, putting me easily on tilts... Sounds like you aren't ready for gm Why not?!?! 
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Do you want to get better, or have a high rank? Keep pressing "Find Match," keep analyzing your replays, and Blizzard will put you where they will.
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On July 25 2011 12:26 LuckyFool wrote:
plz take my GM spot next season, ppl not being able to chat or add you without your code sux so much. I need to tank my mmr before next season so I get masters.
I'd be glad to help you tank your MMR ... Just tell me when to search
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go take GM. means nothing
I'm 1900+ masters too and i get raped by 1300 koreans
NA points are a false sense of achievement in my eyes
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To actually try to answer your question, i would advice you to give alot of thought before everytime you hit the ladder button, and make sure you are well rested and with good concentration level, don't play when tired and take a break whenever you feel upset; this isn't the best way to practice and improve your skill, but it should keep your mmr at your highest possible current level, which means you have the best chance to get into gm! once you are in you can relax and start massgaming again
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Just play like normal. if you are already favored while playing some GM's then your MMR should be at the same level as some of them. After all there are more than 200 people fighting for the chance to be in GM so just hope you have the better mmr during the selection
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Germany2896 Posts
Becoming GM is easy. Whenever you want to BM your opponent don't hit the enter key. Say "Hi" and "have fun" in the beginning, and "gg" in the end.
Pro tip: don't say "gg" before your opponent if you're winning.
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On July 25 2011 12:13 birdkicker wrote:
Hello TL.
What is the best way to approach GM promotion?
I assume that people will be placed into GM from day 1 of the server reset, unlike last season where there was a wait.
If your MMR is significantly better than top 200, you will be fine if you play a game close to when the server resets.
If your MMR is slightly outside the top 200, you are best off if you play like a madman starting the second the server reset hits. Even if you don't have top 200 MMR at the time of the reset, you just need your MMR to get in the top 200 at some point during your session to make GM. If you wait too long, other people with roughly the same skill level as you will get into GM essentially through this way, and the only remaining spots will be the 'reserved' spots for people with a significantly higher MMR than the baseline.
If your MMR is too far outside the top 200 there's not much you can do.
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On July 25 2011 14:18 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
go take GM. means nothing
I'm 1900+ masters too and i get raped by 1300 koreans
NA points are a false sense of achievement in my eyes
It actually does mean something. Pretty obvious. Not sure if you don't understand how the ladder system works or what, but it means you're top 200 in the U.S. ladder. Obviously, that means something. It means you are likely better than most players below you. That DEFINITELY means something.
False sense of achievement? It seems like quite an achievement to me. Just because better competition exists doesn't mean that GM isn't an accomplishment. The players there are generally better, which means YOU'LL get better playing them. That sounds that a great idea for players trying to get better.
See, you just want to sound elitist and condescending. And you're doing a good job. Too bad it isn't over something more important than a video game.
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On July 25 2011 21:10 RANDOMCL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 14:18 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
go take GM. means nothing
I'm 1900+ masters too and i get raped by 1300 koreans
NA points are a false sense of achievement in my eyes It actually does mean something. Pretty obvious. Not sure if you don't understand how the ladder system works or what, but it means you're top 200 in the U.S. ladder. Obviously, that means something. It means you are likely better than most players below you. That DEFINITELY means something. False sense of achievement? It seems like quite an achievement to me. Just because better competition exists doesn't mean that GM isn't an accomplishment. The players there are generally better, which means YOU'LL get better playing them. That sounds that a great idea for players trying to get better. See, you just want to sound elitist and condescending. And you're doing a good job. Too bad it isn't over something more important than a video game.
Yeh, okay, that's why there's tons of players who don't get GM that are just as good as the GM's
I've beaten tons of GM's and I'm not GM... therefore, it means nothing
Go look at any GM's match history.. do they only lose to GM players?
My case stands, you tried to change my mind, but it didn't work
Also, suppose he does get GM. I've beaten him before, and I'm probably not going to try to get GM.. does that make him better than me? Did he achieve anything? Maybe you're a bronze player and GM seems appealing to you, but once you get to their actual level you realize that it means nothing
SlayerSCella, EGIdrA, FXOSheth, LGShew, JulyZerg.... all aren't GM on NA. the List goes on. Do you really think they lose to all GM players?
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The players there are generally better, which means YOU'LL get better playing them. He already plays them, there's no hold back from the currently assigned league value. MMR counts
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On July 25 2011 23:55 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 22:32 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:On July 25 2011 21:10 RANDOMCL wrote:On July 25 2011 14:18 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
go take GM. means nothing
I'm 1900+ masters too and i get raped by 1300 koreans
NA points are a false sense of achievement in my eyes It actually does mean something. Pretty obvious. Not sure if you don't understand how the ladder system works or what, but it means you're top 200 in the U.S. ladder. Obviously, that means something. It means you are likely better than most players below you. That DEFINITELY means something. False sense of achievement? It seems like quite an achievement to me. Just because better competition exists doesn't mean that GM isn't an accomplishment. The players there are generally better, which means YOU'LL get better playing them. That sounds that a great idea for players trying to get better. See, you just want to sound elitist and condescending. And you're doing a good job. Too bad it isn't over something more important than a video game. Yeh, okay, that's why there's tons of players who don't get GM that are just as good as the GM's I've beaten tons of GM's and I'm not GM... therefore, it means nothing Go look at any GM's match history.. do they only lose to GM players? My case stands, you tried to change my mind, but it didn't work Also, suppose he does get GM. I've beaten him before, and I'm probably not going to try to get GM.. does that make him better than me? Did he achieve anything? Maybe you're a bronze player and GM seems appealing to you, but once you get to their actual level you realize that it means nothing SlayerSCella, EGIdrA, FXOSheth, LGShew, JulyZerg.... all aren't GM on NA. the List goes on. Do you really think they lose to all GM players? Sorry, but you're mad because you can't get to GM, so you try to find excuses to feel "false sense of achievement" over beating other GM while being in Masters. That and you sound like an elitist, as the guy above me said.
Whatever, defend this guy all you want
GM doesn't matter
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GM means nothing buddy but I'll give you some advice.. When I got in I had to work my ass off.. Was the #1 ranked masters player in the world before they finally let me in and I was on a 15 game win streak... Was slightly favored vs top25 GMs... But let me tell u ladder score means nothing .. Goodluck
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One does not simply walk into GM...
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GM is pretty static which is stupid if you ask me. Why not just have GM more flexible and let the top 200 in without having to kick someone out? Have it basically the top 200 of Masters. Otherwise its meaningless when Korean pros come over and destroy the shit out of NA ladder (look at MVP and Puzzle's NA accts, 80-95% winrates)
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Ty for responses everyone! Season reset is tomorrow along with the new maps. Not sure how well i'd do with maps i never played before.
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GL and tell us if you made it
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you have to keep your bonus pool at 0 well below a certain amount and inactivity = an instant boot if you're playing gm and crushing them you obviously need to be there just keep doing work son
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On July 26 2011 19:00 Baeras wrote:
you have to keep your bonus pool at 0 well below a certain amount and inactivity = an instant boot if you're playing gm and crushing them you obviously need to be there just keep doing work son
Thanks.
My MMR is still pretty high up there i think ( i hope T_T), but i started today with a 21 wins and 25 losses. Pretty shitty win rate, I wouldn't be suprised if my MMR got lower. Played Deezer, ThisIsJimmy, Namhcir, and other high pointed players today. 433 Points.
Overall, I'm not satisfied with my results today, I better pick it up before 2nd week.
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wow you played almost 50 ladder games today? nice!!
I played my placement and lost. LOL
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On July 27 2011 14:33 LuckyFool wrote:
wow you played almost 50 ladder games today? nice!!
I played my placement and lost. LOL
Yeah my left arm actually hurts after playing that many games because i tend to spam quite a bit.
By the way! Can you or any other high level player take a few minutes one some days to play a few practice games? I feel like my ZvP and ZvZ is GM level but my ZvT felt so lacking today. It would help a ton in preperation for the 2nd week.
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Sorry, my original post was wrong (I assumed that GM would open on day 1). Just ladder like a madman as soon as GM opens, what you do in the meantime doesn't really matter (assuming you win and lose at approximately your current rate).
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On July 25 2011 22:32 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 21:10 RANDOMCL wrote:On July 25 2011 14:18 Galaxy_Zerg wrote:
go take GM. means nothing
I'm 1900+ masters too and i get raped by 1300 koreans
NA points are a false sense of achievement in my eyes It actually does mean something. Pretty obvious. Not sure if you don't understand how the ladder system works or what, but it means you're top 200 in the U.S. ladder. Obviously, that means something. It means you are likely better than most players below you. That DEFINITELY means something. False sense of achievement? It seems like quite an achievement to me. Just because better competition exists doesn't mean that GM isn't an accomplishment. The players there are generally better, which means YOU'LL get better playing them. That sounds that a great idea for players trying to get better. See, you just want to sound elitist and condescending. And you're doing a good job. Too bad it isn't over something more important than a video game. Yeh, okay, that's why there's tons of players who don't get GM that are just as good as the GM's I've beaten tons of GM's and I'm not GM... therefore, it means nothing Go look at any GM's match history.. do they only lose to GM players? My case stands, you tried to change my mind, but it didn't work Also, suppose he does get GM. I've beaten him before, and I'm probably not going to try to get GM.. does that make him better than me? Did he achieve anything? Maybe you're a bronze player and GM seems appealing to you, but once you get to their actual level you realize that it means nothing SlayerSCella, EGIdrA, FXOSheth, LGShew, JulyZerg.... all aren't GM on NA. the List goes on. Do you really think they lose to all GM players?
I don't think you have a firm grasp on how the ladder system works. I can't explain it to you further.
It has nothing to do with "appeal". You know nothing about me.
You completely misunderstood everything in my post.
Not all players in GM are good. Not all good players in GM. Not all GM players beat all players not in GM league. I completely agree with everything you said there.
However, again, you don't understand how the ladder works.
You say it has "no meaning".
Take 10 randomly selected players from GM. Have them play against 10 randomly selected players in Bronze. Now, 10 in Silver. Now, 10 in Gold. 10 in Plat. 10 in Diamond. 10 in Masters.
Do they lose some? Yes. Will they win more than they lose? Yes.
If GM players beat lower league players more than they lose (more than a 50% win ratio), then that statistically proves that GM players are, on average, better.
I'm not saying all GM players are great. I'm not saying they don't lose. I'm not saying that it contains all the best players. I'm not saying that there aren't top players who aren't in GM. I'm not saying they don't lose to players in lower leagues. I'm not saying they are as good as GM players in Korea.
I am SAYING that GM players, on average, are BETTER than players in lower leagues.
If that weren't true, they wouldn't have advanced to GM.
There are players who don't belong in GM, but are there. There are players who AREN'T in GM, but belong there.
Do you honestly not understand how the ladder works?
For GM to have "no meaning", all players would have to be placed there randomly. All players in all leagues would have to be assigned randomly.
That makes absolutely no sense. The ladder system exists to allow better players to rank up. The system has flaws, but on average, a random, GM player will be better than a random bronze player. If that is true, then GM has meaning.
You are saying it has zero meaning. You are wrong. The statistics, the ladder, and a common understanding of how a ladder system works proves you wrong.
"I've beaten tons of GM's and I'm not GM... therefore, it means nothing"
This statement shows how little you understand. That is a complete logical fallacy.
Do you honestly not see how that sentence makes no sense? It literally does not follow any train of logic.
Are you seriously implying that, on average, a GM player is no better than a bronze or silver player?
If you say that the above statement is true, you are beyond help.
If you say it is false, then obviously, league standings have some meaning.
Again. I'm not saying all GM players are better than all Masters players, or Diamond, or plat. I'm saying, on average, league standings give a GENERAL IDEA OF SKILL LEVEL.
Even if that isn't true, if they give ANY idea of skill level, then the placement in league has "some meaning".
Stop trying to be correct for the sake of being correct. Realize how flawed your logic is.
All of this results in the following:
As you continue to win, you will continue to play better players. That is how a ladder works. By saying a league "has no meaning", you are saying that it doesn't, on average, have better players than lower leagues. That is false. As you progress, players generally improve. Thus, the ladder system is a great way to improve. There are better ways, but that doesn't mean the ladder system (and GM ranking) mean nothing.
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On July 27 2011 14:39 birdkicker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 14:33 LuckyFool wrote:
wow you played almost 50 ladder games today? nice!!
I played my placement and lost. LOL Yeah my left arm actually hurts after playing that many games because i tend to spam quite a bit. By the way! Can you or any other high level player take a few minutes one some days to play a few practice games? I feel like my ZvP and ZvZ is GM level but my ZvT felt so lacking today. It would help a ton in preperation for the 2nd week. sure. Come hang out in channel op nrg) on bnet
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On July 28 2011 03:58 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 14:39 birdkicker wrote:On July 27 2011 14:33 LuckyFool wrote:
wow you played almost 50 ladder games today? nice!!
I played my placement and lost. LOL Yeah my left arm actually hurts after playing that many games because i tend to spam quite a bit. By the way! Can you or any other high level player take a few minutes one some days to play a few practice games? I feel like my ZvP and ZvZ is GM level but my ZvT felt so lacking today. It would help a ton in preperation for the 2nd week. sure. Come hang out in channel op nrg) on bnet
Alright thanks!
Ending 2nd day of reset with 526 points 27-29 Record. Trying really hard to get my win rate back to positive!
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just got spanked around a bit by time, incontrol, and a few others. in a 6 loss streak
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GM releasing tomorrow! I am at 861 points w/24 bonus pool (was too scared to ladder at all today). Currently ranked 62 in NA! I also got my winrate back to positive, at 91-89. Hopefully I can get GM tomorrow, wish me best of luck
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Thanks Gen! How come you haven't been on lately? :o..
AND GUYS I GOT GM. :D:D:D Oh GOD!! I started the day with a win, then losing three times in a row then winning one more into GM! : :DD:D: Sorry if my grammar sucks i am just so happy :D
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On August 10 2011 01:16 birdkicker wrote:
Thanks Gen! How come you haven't been on lately? :o..
AND GUYS I GOT GM. :D:D:D Oh GOD!! I started the day with a win, then losing three times in a row then winning one more into GM! : :DD:D: Sorry if my grammar sucks i am just so happy :D
Congrats mate! You deserve it <3!
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On August 10 2011 01:54 FreshandLegit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 01:16 birdkicker wrote:
Thanks Gen! How come you haven't been on lately? :o..
AND GUYS I GOT GM. :D:D:D Oh GOD!! I started the day with a win, then losing three times in a row then winning one more into GM! : :DD:D: Sorry if my grammar sucks i am just so happy :D Congrats mate! You deserve it <3!
Thank you!
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Congrats It's pretty obvious how important it was to you.
I only have this to say.
You earned it!
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grats on grandmasters bro
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There is actually a handful of mid-low masters players from s2 in GM this season, which is very frustrating. I'm not sure how the GM system works now a days :| I see 1500masters, and even some 900~ masters players in GM now, and they don't have awesome records either. There is one guy who is 5-6 and last season was about 1.5k...
Whole thing looks pretty wonky /shrug.
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PICS PL0X!!! :DD
Seriously though. Well done
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GratZ! Worst player in gm? Lolol I kid worst player in gm is flawlesskalu obv (combatex a close 2nd)
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On July 25 2011 12:28 SoKHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 12:18 TehTemplar wrote:
If you are good enough to beat GM players, you shouldn't need to fear going on a massive losing streak. If you lose a lot of games, it's because you deserve it. If you win, obviously you deserve it (unless you cheese every game..) Even if he cheeses every game he still deserves it... I'm not sure where this mentality of cheese = undeserving is coming from... When Flash beats a zerg w/ 5 rax, nobody goes, "oh, he doesn't deserve that" Of course, he did, it's the opponent's fault for not defending the cheese.
Uhh.. 5 rax is a very high skill requirement mid game aggression. It is not a cheese, in fact more than perhaps any terran build it banks on terran having an extremely good marine medic control, rather than opponent's lack of knowledge. Flash beating enemies with it is honourable, as it is not based on secrecy or dice roll, but unit control of the highest caliber.
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Can you stop 7pooling me every game now that you're GM plx ^^
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Thanks everyone <3.
On August 11 2011 00:43 Scarlett` wrote:
Can you stop 7pooling me every game now that you're GM plx ^^
LOL. Sorry . I play standard most ZvZs, but sometimes my gut tells me to 7 pool and get the easy win. My gut is usually correct .
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Gratz on GM bird, maybe you can teach me how to dougie, err win against Z. Im Commy :p
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