• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:31
CEST 12:31
KST 19:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters0Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)63Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!16Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" [D] Wireframe Casting Removed
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
Animated Gateway NaDa's Body BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map)
Tourneys
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6552 users

update

Blogs > SnetteL
Post a Reply
SnetteL
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Belgium473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 15:10:27
July 17 2011 15:09 GMT
#1
Hi TL'ers,

A small update on my race to masters. Firstly, I switched back to zerg. I thought PvT was loads of fun but I didn't like PvZ as much as i like ZvP. Although it's quickly becoming one of the better MU's on both sides.

I quitted most of my custom games and started hitting the ladder because my MMR was kinda low and since I would like to get to masters fast in season 3, i figured i'd already try and get it up.

I got my bonus pool down from about 800 to 200 and from facing platinum to low master players.

[image loading]

If I could down my bonus pool to 0 I could still get third spot in my division. Huzzaah!

Anyway, I would like to add that although these kind of blogs are pretty boring to read, I'm glad I started writing one and I would advice everyone to do the same. It's a solid way to stimulate yourself and start doing what you're always planning to do. You also reflect on what you have done, which is quite nice too.

bad news: terrans found out about blue flame hellions, seems like I'm welcoming back my roach in all 3 MU's now...
Thanks for making it to the bottom, here are some tables for people who don't like hellions/roaches:

┬──┬ ┬──┬ ┬──┬ ┬──┬ ┬──┬ ┬──┬



**
Caps lock is cruise control for cool.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 17 2011 15:21 GMT
#2
Please share your secret to ZvP, I struggle mightily. Good luck on getting to masters though. I'm trying my hardest to make diamond, getting close, then tanking my MMR through a bad series of games.

In a side note:

Screw yo tables bro (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
R.I.P. CheckSix
SnetteL
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Belgium473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 15:34:43
July 17 2011 15:32 GMT
#3
Well, I'm not an expert on ZvP to say the least but I think I know some tricks now. One thing which I found out is that ZvP is very relient on the map you are playing.

Muta ling won't work on backwater for instance, but roach/ling infestor does pretty good.

In general though you want the protoss player pinned in his base as long as possible and forcing his chronoboost on probes rather than collosi/upgrades.

You can choose between either mutas, drop, nydus play or funky infestor stuff. I only use the two first ones. Even when he knows you have drop, just go drop 30 lings in the middle of the game in his base, that's hell for protoss. Baneling drop on the mineral line also works pretty well. Even if they notice it and pull their probes just chase them with your overlord. Make him multitask as much as possible, queuing some overlords to drop some banelings and attack isn't that hard. Defending all those things is.

Sniping his third with a batch of lings and slowing it down is godlike too. This is a good tactic on maps like metalopolis/shakuras etc. When you are too late he will have walled in and cannonned up.

I also always get the melee upgrades now. ZvP changed when people discovered lings are useful.

While you're doing all this harrassing you try and stay alive with some roach ling infestor or muta ling bling. Try and get hive up. Infestor/ultra or infestor/brood lord is very strong and can go toe-to-toe with strong protoss armies.

To know what he is up to in the early game I can just advice you to play protoss yourself, you'll see that you're so gas limited there are only a few options you have depending on the units you make (sentries/stalker/zealots).
Caps lock is cruise control for cool.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 17 2011 15:36 GMT
#4
Thanks! I'm starting to think my problem is that I'm not harassing enough. I've never really tried ling drops before, but that's something I'll definitely try to work in now. I just need to get out of the mentality that unless I get to 200/200 faster than the toss I can't really move out.
R.I.P. CheckSix
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko250
Rex 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2159
Hyuk 1717
BeSt 1248
Bisu 1229
Britney 1109
Jaedong 788
Shuttle 604
firebathero 427
Larva 254
Leta 254
[ Show more ]
Sharp 208
Mini 189
Soulkey 152
Light 139
Dewaltoss 101
EffOrt 101
ggaemo 84
Aegong 81
Pusan 72
Free 69
Movie 54
ZerO 49
HiyA 43
Soma 41
soO 39
scan(afreeca) 35
Rush 33
ToSsGirL 30
910 30
Hyun 26
Sacsri 22
sorry 17
yabsab 15
Terrorterran 14
JulyZerg 8
Hm[arnc] 8
Yoon 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe77
Other Games
singsing1382
Pyrionflax292
crisheroes218
Sick152
ZerO(Twitch)4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2249
BasetradeTV221
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH485
• LUISG 33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2110
League of Legends
• Stunt564
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
30m
Monday Night Weeklies
5h 30m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 13h
The PondCast
1d 23h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs ByuN
Serral vs SHIN
Online Event
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Solar
Rogue vs Lambo
Liquipedia Results

Completed

IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.