I'm not much of a experienced player in poker, still learning stuff and i want to ask about a situation to you guys since a lot of you seem to know about poker as well.

Have AKo and opponent is in short stack, i can't exactly predict his playstyle, i think he changes it up. We play 100/200 I'm bb, 3 more after me left rest fold i raise 500 preflop they both call flop comes out 9heart, 5spade, 3club i raise 1000, one folds the other raises to 5000, he kinda overbets. i can't read shit but i have the stack should i go for it? Is it all about chance or trusting your instincts? I kinda face with this situation a lot dunno why.

SCPlato

United States249 Posts

July 17 2011 12:44 GMT

Easy fold.

a big percentage of the time you are going to be behind here, and you don't want to get your money in behind. He could be sitting on a huge range of hands here especially since you have no definitive reads on his play.

Aelfric

Turkey1496 Posts

July 17 2011 12:46 GMT

Would it change if he had the big stack? I always have a feeling of getting bluffed really bad after i fold hands like that.

billyX333

United States1360 Posts

July 17 2011 12:46 GMT

theres an entire website dedicated to this called liquidpoker.

imjorman

United States580 Posts

July 17 2011 12:50 GMT

AK is a his miss hand. Remember, that hand (correct me if I'm wrong) is gonna miss the flop like 66.6% of the time. If you miss, your way behind, but if you hit, your way ahead.

sixfour

England11061 Posts

July 17 2011 13:01 GMT

as played fold to the raise, but if i'm reading it right you want to raise a lot more preflop, make it something like 1k total, you're out of position against limpers with a good hand so either blast them out pre or make them pay

lolsixtynine

United States600 Posts

July 17 2011 13:09 GMT

Yeah, you don't want to be playing AK out of position since it makes the hand so difficult to read, so you have to raise more. General rule is 3-4 BB plus one BB for every limper.

You clearly have to fold unless you have a strong read on your opponent. Someone could have easily flopped a set or have 10-9 or even a 10-10. You simply can't play out of position with two overcards here against an aggressive opponent.

BTW, poker is almost never about chance or trusting your instincts if you're playing it properly. It's about figuring out ranges and balancing your own ranges to make yourself less exploitable.

Aelfric

Turkey1496 Posts

July 17 2011 13:19 GMT

On July 17 2011 22:09 lolsixtynine wrote:
Yeah, you don't want to be playing AK out of position since it makes the hand so difficult to read, so you have to raise more. General rule is 3-4 BB plus one BB for every limper.

You clearly have to fold unless you have a strong read on your opponent. Someone could have easily flopped a set or have 10-9 or even a 10-10. You simply can't play out of position with two overcards here against an aggressive opponent.

BTW, poker is almost never about chance or trusting your instincts if you're playing it properly. It's about figuring out ranges and balancing your own ranges to make yourself less exploitable.

What if i had the suited and some kind of straight or flush draw? In the same position, my after flop raise would be wrong?

Aelfric

Turkey1496 Posts

July 17 2011 13:20 GMT

On July 17 2011 21:46 billyX333 wrote:
theres an entire website dedicated to this called liquidpoker.

I'll look into that thanks..

Hoodlum

United States350 Posts

July 17 2011 13:26 GMT

#10

well if you have a flush draw from the flop you sitting pretty... I would have raised more on the flop being out of position so your safe bet is to fold to the over bet but to me it just seems like the guy knows your raised with something like AK or AQ and sees total air on the flop... I'm quite the gambler so in this exact position I would re pop him or call raise the turn... So it all depends on how you play if you like being conservative fold but it sounds like your getting read and pushed around for your pre flop raise...

swanized

Canada2480 Posts

July 17 2011 13:42 GMT

#11

TL's sister site, liquidpoker.net is probably the place you are looking for to ask this question

hypercube

Hungary2735 Posts

July 17 2011 14:47 GMT

#12

On July 17 2011 21:42 Aelfric wrote:
I'm not much of a experienced player in poker, still learning stuff and i want to ask about a situation to you guys since a lot of you seem to know about poker as well.

Have AKo and opponent is in short stack, i can't exactly predict his playstyle, i think he changes it up. We play 100/200 I'm bb, 3 more after me left rest fold i raise 500 preflop they both call flop comes out 9heart, 5spade, 3club i raise 1000, one folds the other raises to 5000, he kinda overbets. i can't read shit but i have the stack should i go for it? Is it all about chance or trusting your instincts? I kinda face with this situation a lot dunno why.

When you describe a poker hand you should try to include the following: blinds, position of the players in the hand, anything you know about the way they play or you observed in the hand. You should pay particular attention to stack sizes and describe the action as accurately as possible.

Ideally, your post should be something like this:

"I'm playing in a friendly tournament. I'm pretty new to poker but the field looks pretty average to me. We're at 100/200, 8 players at the table. 1 fold, second player calls with a 16 000 stack. It's folded to the button who also calls. He has around 10 000, smallest stack at the table. Small blind folds. I'm in the big blind with AKo with a 20 000 stack and raise to 500. Both call.

Flop comes 953 rainbow, I bet our 1000. First player folds, button makes it 5000 after a short think. I don't have a good read on him I think he changes it up. Fold, call or raise? If I call, what's my plan for the rest of the hand? Is there anything I should have done differently earlier in the hand?"

If you don't remember all of this information you should practice paying more attention to them. Anyway, this is the style people will expect if you post on liquidpoker or twoplustwo. The more relevant information you give the better answers you'll get. Good luck.

micronesia

United States24698 Posts

July 17 2011 15:38 GMT

#13

In this situation, instead of folding, you should wink at the dealer and then push all in. It will get everyone else to fold.

Aelfric

Turkey1496 Posts

July 17 2011 16:10 GMT

#14

On July 18 2011 00:38 micronesia wrote:
In this situation, instead of folding, you should wink at the dealer and then push all in. It will get everyone else to fold.

hahahaha why couldn't i think of that :D

eshlow

United States5210 Posts

July 17 2011 16:23 GMT

#15

Have AKo and opponent is in short stack, i can't exactly predict his playstyle, i think he changes it up. We play 100/200 I'm bb, 3 more after me left rest fold i raise 500 preflop they both call flop comes out 9heart, 5spade, 3club i raise 1000, one folds the other raises to 5000, he kinda overbets. i can't read shit but i have the stack should i go for it? Is it all about chance or trusting your instincts? I kinda face with this situation a lot dunno why.

What in the world this doesn't even make sense.

How are there 3 more after you if you're BB?

Did they all call preflop?

Let's analyze this from ABC poker point of view:

If 3 call preflop and you're BB with AKo

Like said you need to be raising 600 (3x big) + 200 * 3 (amount of limpers) = 1200 preflop. Especially since you're in the blinds and out of position. Basically, you don't want to see a flop because chances are you're going to miss the flop. Thus, you want to take down the money preflop.

Flop comes you should definitely c-bet to represent overpair almost 100% if you missed. If you hit then obviously you're going to be betting for value. Depending on how your friends play 1/2 pot is generally always fine. There's a few cases where you shouldn't because of board texture, but don't worry about that for now.

If you get reraised with no flush or straight draw it's almost always a clear fold UNLESS you have a good read on opponents, and know they're trying to pull one on you. If you're new then I would almost always fold. (Well, if they price you in you can call but you're new so you don't know about that).

If you have a flush draw then you can call behind generally (on a monotone board you probably don't want to be calling behind unless you have nut flush draw), or you can semi-bluff with a raise. If you're fairly new, and don't know how to play large pots I would just call behind.

On the turn if you miss or hit it depends a lot on your opponent. If you believe they have a made hand you should check it to them to see if they bet regardless of whether you spike an A, K, or hit the flush. Generally, they will bet if they have a made hand, and it will help you disguise your hand a bit.

River more of the same.

-------------------------
Half of this depends on what type of player they are if you have the flush draw that is.

If they are playing weak tight and almost never raise it would be a good idea generally to get out. They almost always have the goods when they reraise.

If they're TAG (which they're obviously not because they didn't raise preflop) you can call flop reraise with equity because you likely have overs + flush draw. Even if they have a set you still have outs.

If they're loose aggressive (which almost all home game players are) and you have the FD+overs it's likely always a call. They tend to call down to the river even if the flush hits. Sometimes you even have the best hand and they are raising with overcards that doesn't beat your AKo. Loose passive it would depend.
----------------------

Flush draw + overs even if you shove and they have a pair or ovepair like JJ you still have fold equity as well as 15 outs (9 from flush draw + 3 As + 3 Ks). Taking 2 cards to the river 15 outs is around somewhere like 54% in favor of you. If they have a set or 2 pair you still have the 9 outs to hit your hand which is about 35% so you're not drawing dead (but they have boat outs if you hit so...).

The good part is when they're shoving with a flush draw or straight draw cause then you're ahead and will likely win the pot cause your flush draw dominates theirs or you take away some of the straight outs with the flush draw.

The worst is if monotone board they already have a flush which means you're only drawing to 13 - 3 monotone - 2 in their hand - 1 in your hand or 7 outs or about 28%.