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Okay hi.  I know a lot of TL'ers nowadays come from a War 3 background. I, however, am rooted in sc1. Not super deeply rooted, only started watching in late 2008 and was D+ max on a good day, but that's what I come from.
Anyways, more to the point. I played a tiny tiny bit of War 3 about a year ago. Nothing serious, just some games with a real life friend. I find the game kinda cool and for some reason just became interested in it. So I have some questions. ^_^
1) This one I'm afraid to ask: Is it generally considered well-balanced? Or is there a race that a ton of people play or nobody really plays?
2) Is there some sort of community for the game? Of course not expecting anything on the level of the wonderful site that is TL but is there anything?
3) Do people still play this game? I don't necessarily mean a pro-scene as I'm not aspiring to be high level. Just wondering if I were to go on a War 3 server, if anyone would be there. >_>
4) How would I go about learning how the game works? For the time being I'm naturally not concerned about complex strategies or anything. I just genuinely dont know a thing about the game and have no clue what a "typical" game looks like.
Thank you very much for any help I can get. Forgive me if this was just a huge search function fail from me. :D:D:D
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Me too. also from a BW point of view, ill tell the WC3 people of what i heard (may not be accurate)
1) I heard Blademasters are imbalanced and humans are weak?
2) Community is mainly DotA i think. WC3 fanbase probably died with the scandal in Korea
3) Yes. (even in korea regardless of a proscene's absence)
4) Its more micro > macro because of heroes i believe.
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1) In the distance I sense.... Blademaster Imba cries.... they're coming. They're coming!!
2) It never felt like a real community, for me at least. Yes there were a lot of people watching matches and playing the game, but not much interaction between those..
3) Bnet from wc3 is open and people are still playing it. Bnet is also used for A LOT of funmaps (like DotA ).
4)You learn by doing. If you want to improve rapidly I suggest watching replays and copying the Pros similiar to Starcraft 2.
Edit 1: lol before im finished writing this there's already one calling out blademaster ^^
Edit 2: Undead was very very weak against Ork, other than that rather balanced overall, not as balanced as Starcraft though.
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1) I didn't play a bunch, only followed the competitive scene for a bit. I hear that undead is not considered viable in competitive play.
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WCReplays.com had a fairly large community back when the game was more popular. You can probably find some old Axslav / Strifecro stuff on there. Phreak, of League of Legends fame, also probably still has some of his old commentaries around.
From what I've read the game is pretty much impossible to play if you're halfway decent at RTS games. As your ELO increases games become almost impossible to find, it can take hours to find a game even on the more active servers, and the number of map / drop hackers you run into will continue to increase until they're all you match up against.
Have fun!
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Orc is pretty strong. Undead weak vs orc at high levels so generally they aren't played. wcreplays.com had a decent community i visited a lot back when. War3 is tons of fun! Micro>macro, very few workers. Not so many expansions. A lot of the power comes from small things. Knowing how to creep camps makes a big difference. item use is key.
Generally it's creep to level 3 and then your strategy comes to play. t2 is a big deal. t3 rarely used (with orc at least). human tower rushes are stupid strong sometimes  .
That's all I really remember. I had a ton of fun playing war3 and I actually miss it.
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1) Undead is not viable at the higher level.
2) Never been in one
3) Yes, there is still a competitive scene
4) You can learn just by playing a lot, then learn the build orders and unit compositions of your race, watch some pro level games, and then play some more. I like to think of w3 as Dota where you control a lot of heroes. Takes quite a bit of micro.
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On July 09 2011 10:02 Bibbit wrote:
1) This one I'm afraid to ask: Is it generally considered well-balanced? Or is there a race that a ton of people play or nobody really plays?
2) Is there some sort of community for the game? Of course not expecting anything on the level of the wonderful site that is TL but is there anything?
3) Do people still play this game? I don't necessarily mean a pro-scene as I'm not aspiring to be high level. Just wondering if I were to go on a War 3 server, if anyone would be there. >_>
4) How would I go about learning how the game works? For the time being I'm naturally not concerned about complex strategies or anything. I just genuinely dont know a thing about the game and have no clue what a "typical" game looks like.
1. Like starcraft, there's a race that's easier to start out with, that gets harder later on: orc. Overall though well balanced. Blademasters are ridiculously hard to use effectively. They'll still kill archmages if you don't know what you're doing, but if your opponent is so bad he can't control his hero, he doesn't know what he's doing either.
Oh yeah, general consensus is that undead can't beat orc.
2. Yeah, wc3replays and gosugamers both cover warcraft 3.
3. I found it hard to find games on iccup
4. Read all the warcraft 3 compendium. It really helped me to learn unit counters and the basics of food upkeep and the like. Then watch a small number of chumpesque's warcraft 3 uploads on youtube to learn how to play properly: more about effective creeping, unit counters, and when to break upkeep, less on unit composition (even if you get a lot of druids of the talon, you're not really good enough to use them well).
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the game is relatively well balanced, orc vs undead is considered favored for the orc but thats about it.
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I came from an extensive wc3 background. I used to be fairly highly for solo and ffa ladder, and I consider myself a fairly decent player. I play Human and Undead.
1. WC3 is just as balanced as BW.
2. Donno
3. Donno
4. There are no 'complex' strategies. The game is about how to outmicro your opponent. Unlike BW, when you play wc3 your goal is to kill as many enemy units as possible while losing as few of yours as possible. Since your opponent wants to do the same thing, that's when things get complex.
There are several ways to kill enemy units while keeping yours alive. I will tell you one of them. One important aspect of wc3 is surrounding. It's kind of similar to zerglings surrounding zealots, except it's universal; any race, under any circumstances, needs to be aware of this. Since units in wc3 got a lot of life, when good players play, they almost never lose units unless it's due to surrounding or some sort of ability that hinders movement. Also note since in wc3 you don't have a lot of units to begin with, it's a bit trickier to form a surround - especially if you are orc.
With this in mind, you also want to be able to avoid getting surrounded. There are certain ways to do that: for example, guess what your opponent is doing and move your unit out of the way; or, tag a unit to your unit getting surrounded, thus forming an exit.
You most likely need only one build order (or two at most) and they are all very easy.
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Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance
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On July 09 2011 10:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance
Yes that is a nice question as well! I am interested. :D:D
Also huge thanks to everyone who has answered questions so far.
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Is there still a big wc3 community? Seems like a lot of notable and still-good wc3 players moved on to sc2.
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On July 09 2011 10:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance
I didn't really follow wc3 scene at all, but I thought that:
Naniwa
Grubby
Thorzain
Moon
were all warcraft 3 players
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On July 09 2011 10:55 Fulgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 10:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance I didn't really follow wc3 scene at all, but I thought that: Naniwa Grubby Thorzain Moon were all warcraft 3 players
Yeah a lot of top non-korean sc2 players come from. I think the question is more how good they were in war3. I know Grubby and Moon were like super good and I learned recently that Nani was on fnatic and claimed to be the equivalent of what kawaiirice is to fnatic in sc2.
I'd be interested in who Thorzain was in war3.
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On July 09 2011 11:01 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 10:55 Fulgrim wrote:On July 09 2011 10:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance I didn't really follow wc3 scene at all, but I thought that: Naniwa Grubby Thorzain Moon were all warcraft 3 players Yeah a lot of top non-korean sc2 players come from. I think the question is more how good they were in war3. I know Grubby and Moon were like super good and I learned recently that Nani was on fnatic and claimed to be the equivalent of what kawaiirice is to fnatic in sc2. I'd be interested in who Thorzain was in war3.
Not to nitpick, but your statement implies that moon isn't korean .
I personally never knew either naniwa or thorzain in war3, but I did get into the competitive scene quite late.
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On July 09 2011 11:04 BobbysBack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 11:01 Bibbit wrote:On July 09 2011 10:55 Fulgrim wrote:On July 09 2011 10:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance I didn't really follow wc3 scene at all, but I thought that: Naniwa Grubby Thorzain Moon were all warcraft 3 players Yeah a lot of top non-korean sc2 players come from. I think the question is more how good they were in war3. I know Grubby and Moon were like super good and I learned recently that Nani was on fnatic and claimed to be the equivalent of what kawaiirice is to fnatic in sc2. I'd be interested in who Thorzain was in war3. Not to nitpick, but your statement implies that moon isn't korean . I personally never knew either naniwa or thorzain in war3, but I did get into the competitive scene quite late.
Yeah I actually thought of it but I figured it would be easier to just let it go and hope people got what I meant. :D And you did but you wanted to pick on me. 
And yeah, Nani meantioned the fnatic thing during his TL Attack episode. I had looked it up and found the official news announcement from 2007 here.
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On July 09 2011 11:06 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 11:04 BobbysBack wrote:On July 09 2011 11:01 Bibbit wrote:On July 09 2011 10:55 Fulgrim wrote:On July 09 2011 10:46 n.DieJokes wrote:
Can someone tell me about who the dominate players are and were and where some of the non grubby war3 players rising to prominence in sc2 came from? How good they were relatively and the korea/world balance I didn't really follow wc3 scene at all, but I thought that: Naniwa Grubby Thorzain Moon were all warcraft 3 players Yeah a lot of top non-korean sc2 players come from. I think the question is more how good they were in war3. I know Grubby and Moon were like super good and I learned recently that Nani was on fnatic and claimed to be the equivalent of what kawaiirice is to fnatic in sc2. I'd be interested in who Thorzain was in war3. Not to nitpick, but your statement implies that moon isn't korean . I personally never knew either naniwa or thorzain in war3, but I did get into the competitive scene quite late. Yeah I actually thought of it but I figured it would be easier to just let it go and hope people got what I meant. :D And you did but you wanted to pick on me. And yeah, Nani meantioned the fnatic thing during his TL Attack episode. I had looked it up and found the official news announcement from 2007 here.
Haha, sorry. Interesting!
On another note, one thing that causes a lot of problems with the balance of warcraft 3 is how many things are Luck based.
few examples:
Miss chance uphill (Bw style)
Blademaster crit chance
item drops (!!!)
Item drops could even decide matches with an orc. 2x +6 claws, a +12 claw? That makes blademaster's crit SOOO painful. Theres a video of Lyn playing an undead and critting 3 times in a row vs a teleporting lich and gg is called after.
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RNG plays into the game a lot. You should consider Experience Points as a third resource. demuslim was a human player at WCG i believe
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