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Polemos
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
July 05 2011 03:28 GMT
#1
First - Brood War :D I just beat my First 1v1 as an 800 something D-. I feel amazing. It was just a pretty standard TvT. I went 3 gate ways with Okay 1 base macro - wasn't Perfect, but I'M not going to be.

He goes for an early Vulture / MarinE Push, but I had high ground dragoons and zealots on ramp (Lost Temple) to hold it off. He then went for a tank contain but at the same time I went a double reaver drop in his Mineral Line.

He had turrets, but I got my reavers out of the Shuttle in time to drop them on his Mineral Line, and destroyed EVERYTHING. I Lost attention to them and I was out of scarabs (both upgrades) a few times, but I wrecked him. He tried to all in with SCV's and to build stuff in my base, but I had vision all over my base (thank you SC2! Too many bronze league cannon rushes!) He tried floating his building, and all kinds of other terran tricks, but I overcame, AND WON! MY First BROOD WAR Victory!

RAWR!

Did I mention I feel great?

Second - Starcraft 2 Woes of 3v3 Silver league.

I will Start that I am a platinum league, terran for the most part, in 1v1. I'M Silver in 3v3 because I go long stretches without playing 3v3, so it takes FOREVER to get promoted. However, I normally find myself almost Always on top of Overall Score, win or lose, losing mostly because my team mates suck, and don't scout or prepare properly. Here iS my most RecenT matches:
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However, I have grown to not like 1v1's as much for personal reasons. So, I do a lot of 3v3's. The King strat in this league:
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VOID RAYS

Wherever you go, in about 80% of my games, SOMEONE goes vOid rays. I kinda have mixed feelings about this. While they are very easy to counter (unless you Roll Protoss; more later) I WanT to play games where skill iS required. I hate winning or losing to CHeeSY crap. It just doesn't feel like a ReaL game.
When I Roll Protoss and some other toss goes Mass vOid rays, I cry. I cry because no matter how many times I re-engage vOid rays, or try blink micro with Mass stalkers, I just can't win. I have no idea how to deal with this while as Protoss. Any suggestions?

Next popular strat:
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CANNON RUSHES! Thanks Hot_Bid - NOT

So. Many. Cannon Rushes. At least in my experience. Again, while they are easy to break, I WanT ReaL games that require skill, but that's just personal experience. Either Way, as long as I catch it, I Never have any problems holding off low level cannon rushes.

Next popular strat:
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6 POOLS!

WHENEVER I Roll on the map Frontier, I always do a modified build. 12 forge + 2 cannons, one in front of nexus, 1 in mineral line. As terran, it's probably an 8 depot, 10 rax, 12 bunker, or something among those lines. Zergs LOVE to 6 pool on this map, especially the poor soul who spawns in the middle. I've lost to more than my fair share of 6 pools. However, it's especially worst when your partners don't prepare, and you lose because you lose a team mate so early. HOWEVER, I did have an epic comeback a few weeks back where basically, 1 ally got eliminated, I spawned as toss, and the other zerg left soon after he got to muta tech. I proceeded to 1v2 my way to victory with a combination of DT's and Mutas. It was pretty friggin sweet.

Next is:
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DT RUSHES!

Not much to say here. As with all of these, it's basically a grown up bronze league. They're pretty easy to hold off, unless I get caught without a robo as toss, but normally, surprisingly, a team mate comes to help me out.,

Well, those are, what I feel, the most common strats used by people in silver 3v3. I could be wrong, but this is a mtter of my opinion, and I do play 3v3 fairly often, so I see a whole variety. If you are wanting to play 3v3, or pretty much at all, and have to go through the ranks, learn to counter these and you will crush any opponent =)

Cheers all!

*****
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AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
July 05 2011 03:33 GMT
#2
I think the best 3v3 strategy is just a very early timing push. Wins most games fast. You get promoted super fast too and it works for almost all leagues. Me and my friends were ranked like 90 on sc2ranks in season 1. Didn't play in season 2 because it got too boring haha.
jimmyjingle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States472 Posts
July 05 2011 03:39 GMT
#3
who the fuck scouts in team games? i'll give you a checklist, it's all you need be concerned with

1. check for cloak rush
I get brain like a skull
Polemos
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
July 05 2011 03:41 GMT
#4
While I agree, that a timing push is decent in 3v3, silver 3v3 random team just aren't coordinated enough. Besides, I prefer to go into a long macro game.

and I scout. I scout because you never really know exactly what is coming at you.
It is better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 03:50:54
July 05 2011 03:49 GMT
#5
On July 05 2011 12:33 AngryFarmer wrote:
I think the best 3v3 strategy is just a very early timing push. Wins most games fast. You get promoted super fast too and it works for almost all leagues. Me and my friends were ranked like 90 on sc2ranks in season 1. Didn't play in season 2 because it got too boring haha.

but 3v3 is not to be taken seriously.
triple 6pool = 18pool
9rax SCV allin
24rax reaper
CC lift into gold -> Banshee rush
12wg

All viable in every league but you need to do this with an organized team of all the same races
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Polemos
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
July 05 2011 03:53 GMT
#6
Heh- I kinda want to /wish to take it seriously. I want to get up where the games are a challenge to me. I have to say that I haven't come across a 9 rax scv all in before, nor a CC lift to the gold (I think I have the maps where it's common vetoed.)

I am also aware that the community doesn't take 3v3 seriously, but it can be pretty fun, especially when you don't get into a game and someone says 'im 6 pollin' and 'im dt rshng.' I just tend to cry at that point. I've have had my share of cheesy strats (one of my favorite being a 1 base 6 rax reaper) but more often than not, I try to play a 'standard' game, or rather, go for a viable army composition.
It is better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not.
Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
July 05 2011 04:04 GMT
#7
On July 05 2011 12:39 jimmyjingle wrote:
who the fuck scouts in team games? i'll give you a checklist, it's all you need be concerned with

1. check for cloak rush


The Golden Rule of team games.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 04:36:21
July 05 2011 04:34 GMT
#8
On July 05 2011 12:28 Polemos wrote:
It was just a pretty standard TvT.

On July 05 2011 12:28 Polemos wrote:
I went 3 gate

You lost me. gj on your PvT though.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 05 2011 05:40 GMT
#9
BW wins like that always give you that
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feeling.

I actually enjoy 2v2 a lot, because I can hop on skype with my brother to discuss our strategy and communicate, and in SC2 there are definitely more options all throughout the game in a 2v2. 3v3s and 4v4s are still fun to play for shits and giggles, but it gets too hectic for me, and the games have less opportunity to get to late game, as well as it's near impossible to find a group of friends to play 3v3/4v4 competitively with.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 05 2011 05:41 GMT
#10
I played quite a few 3v3s (enough to put me into masters with the start of season 2) and i haven't seen mass-voidray in ages. Cannon rushes became quite rare, too.

There are still DT rushes, but usually teammates aid with detection even without you pining your mineral line 20 times.

So don't worry, it gets better when you get higher up in leagues.

Also, try Templars against void rays. They clump up so much that psi storm hits a lot of them which makes it worth it. As Zerg i've once killed 20-30 void rays with just a few infestors.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
July 05 2011 07:11 GMT
#11
On July 05 2011 13:34 moopie wrote:
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On July 05 2011 12:28 Polemos wrote:
It was just a pretty standard TvT.

Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 12:28 Polemos wrote:
I went 3 gate

You lost me. gj on your PvT though.

Beat me to it
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Polemos
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
July 05 2011 19:32 GMT
#12
I guess 1 base 3 gate isn't too standard - whatever. I still feel special.
It is better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not.
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